2Pac v. Biggie--Whose Realer/Whose Iller?

[SirLaker]

This is something that my friend and I were arguing about today....he was sayin that 2pac was realer but BIG was iller and I was saying that tupac was both realer and iller...For one, how could Biggie sit there and watch 2Pac get shot? I don't know what kind of friends would let a friend, who helped them get to where they are, almost die. Jay-Z and Nas jumped into the beef, 2Pac didn't say sh*t about them and guess what, Jay-Z and Nas sat down when Tupac started to retaliate. Now you hear Jay and Nas praising Tupac.Biggie had the flow, I'll give him that, but he was never realer than 2Pac.2Pac was actually doing things to improve the community. He has an art school for under privledged kids where they could get scholarships. He put out songs that made you think and spoke up for the people living in poverty. He didn't just get rich and forget about everyone like most rappers do. He also helped out rappers who were trying to make themselves known by doing tracks with them for free and he also helped his group, Outlawz, by putting them on a lot of tracks. Not like Biggie and Junior Mafia.2Pac has a wide variety of songs from his life to problems within America.2Pac was the #1 most selling rapper of all time. If you can honestly say "Both of Bigs Albums are better than any of Pacs albums" your narrow minded and probably don't even listen to anything, but NY rap.Atleast 2Pac was able to look at himself and say that atleast he's trying to make a difference.<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">"I been knowin you for years, we was high school peers, in junior high I was itchin to kill, and you was, ready to die"</span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"> - 2Pac.</span> If that's not ill I don't know what is.

 

[Memphology]

Well, they both grew up in similiar enviroments so the question "whos realer" can be argued both ways. Neither was more "realer" than the other. But Pac is more iller. Hes a poet. Plain and simple, hes a thug poet(thats how he put it). The stuff he wrote was genius. Not to mention he help mentor Biggie with the hip-hop business. Biggie wrote some sick sh*t, but you can read Pacs stuff as poetry and its real. Pac is iller, nuff said.

 

[yankshater213]

"Realness" is an overrated quality in rappers. I don't care if they're real, I care about the music they produce.

 

[Heatfan32]

I'm not really understanding the difference here between ill and real. Tupac was also a criminal, I'm sure the kids love that when they're looking up to him.

 

[CelticBalla32]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Nov 24 2006, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"Realness" is an overrated quality in rappers. I don't care if they're real, I care about the music they produce.</div>
Yeah, but it's so much better knowing that the rappers have lived what they speak, rather than a fake preppy boy talking gangsta. It's one thing to actually live the life they talk about and "be real", but I hate when people are fake. It's like an act.

Great post LakersFan, I agree. Biggie was nice, and he wasn't fake, but 2Pac was the realest rapper ever, with better flow IMO. But for me, when Biggie raps, you smile and say to your friends "damn, that was sick." When you listen to Pac, or for me anyway, it kind of hits your heart. It gives you chills down your back. You just think "wow."

 

[Memphology]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Nov 24 2006, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not really understanding the difference here between ill and real. Tupac was also a criminal, I'm sure the kids love that when they're looking up to him.</div>Uhm no, thats what ssooo many people think, that youth today(or in this case 10 yrs ago)look up to criminals cause we think it cool. Absolutely not, if you ever listen to a 2pac hit, you will see that he makes great music. And unfortunely, it sounds like your close minded on this subject.

 

[CelticBalla32]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Nov 24 2006, 05:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not really understanding the difference here between ill and real. Tupac was also a criminal, I'm sure the kids love that when they're looking up to him.</div>
But you have to take into account where he is from. He grew up in terrible situations. You turn around, you see someone dealing drugs and people with weapons. Then he you turn back and someone is in front of you with a knife saying "give me your fu*kin money." It's easy for people to say "he was a bad person, he stole, had weapons, etc." But that is basically a means for survival out there.

You don't steal, you don't eat. Then you think: "whats with the violence then?" Well, you think: he has to steal to get money and food. He is doing his business, then someone fights back. He has to fight too. He needs whatever this dude has to eat, he's not going to say "ok sorry man" and let him beat him down. He's going to fight back, take what he has, and be on his way.

I honestly couldn't imagine living in a place like that.

 

[SirLaker]

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

 

[Heatfan32]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Nov 24 2006, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But you have to take into account where he is from. He grew up in terrible situations. You turn around, you see someone dealing drugs and people with weapons. Then he you turn back and someone is in front of you with a knife saying "give me your fu*kin money." It's easy for people to say "he was a bad person, he stole, had weapons, etc." But that is basically a means for survival out there.You don't steal, you don't eat. Then you think: "whats with the violence then?" Well, you think: he has to steal to get money and food. He is doing his business, then someone fights back. He has to fight too. He needs whatever this dude has to eat, he's not going to say "ok sorry man" and let him beat him down. He's going to fight back, take what he has, and be on his way.I honestly couldn't imagine living in a place like that.</div>Dude I couldn't agree more and I'm the type of person that has alot of sympathy for those who live in ghettos and all but your not getting it. Tupac did what he had to do to survive, whatever that may be. Nothing wrong with that but your not understanding kids LOOK up to him as an idol. They see him with the tattooes and everything, they wanna imititate him. They wanna imititate a criminal. Yes he did what he had to do but you don't want youth saying they wan't to be like him.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And unfortunely, it sounds like your close minded on this subject.</div>Nvm.

 

[Amare320]

2pac was defently realer than biggie and biggie even tryed to be real and 2pac new he was fake and so 2pac really had to become gangsta'' and foward that image on all eyez on me to compete with biggies fake image that he had at that time they had beef with each other.complicated lol anyway pac is the realest there ever was and thats why he's the greatest mc and one of the great people in this world who helped everyone around him and; so on blah