OT 4th grader suspended over BB gun in bedroom

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Should have just been a warning and a request sent to the home saying to keep it out of view during class.
 
I think guns, even BB guns in school is a problem that should be taken serious. And virtual classrooms should in many ways be under the same rules as a regular classroom. That said I think any punishment should be held until after kids are back in classrooms. Right now, a suspension does not help this kid. Keep the kid learning, revisit it after he is back in the classroom. See if you can turn it into a teachable moment for all students.
 
Total overreach by the left (not to mention total bullshit). The gun belongs to the kid, it’s in his own room in his own home. The school district does not have the right to say jack about it. He is not on “campus”. This is absolutely stunning. And then we wonder why the right has their panties all bunched up into their colons. Unbelievable......
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think guns, even BB guns in school is a problem that should be taken serious. And virtual classrooms should in many ways be under the same rules as a regular classroom. That said I think any punishment should be held until after kids are back in classrooms. Right now, a suspension does not help this kid. Keep the kid learning, revisit it after he is back in the classroom. See if you can turn it into a teachable moment for all students.
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The kids should write a paper and that be the end of it.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Total overreach by the left (not to mention total bullshit). The gun belongs to the kid, it’s in his own room in his own home. The school district does not have the right to say jack about it. He is not on “campus”. This is absolutely stunning. And then we wonder why the right has their panties all bunched up into their colons. Unbelievable......
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right on! My old parties progressive order that doesn't respect our freedoms. Sometimes I feel like they are a gang of nutty puritans that just want to create division through political correctness and identity politics.
 
I think this is one of many examples of blanket policies being applied with no room for common sense. The same arguments made against mandatory minimum sentences apply here as well. People (authorities) need to be willing, able, and permitted to differentiate between a kid attempting to be responsible with a firearm from a kid showing off, brandishing, or using a gun during class.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
The parents could sue the school district and that would be the end of it also.
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There was just a case yesterday of a grandmother jumping in her grandkids school feed and screaming about BLM and Obama. These virtual classrooms have to be under SOME of the same rules as a regular classroom.

I DO NOT believe this kid should be suspended. But there has to be (flexible) lines drawn in what is permissible in virtual classrooms.

If drug paraphernalia is not permissible in schools then it shouldn't be allowed to be displayed in a video feed. But again, while drugs and drug paraphernalia is a suspendable offense in school, it shouldn't automatically be one in a virtual classroom.

The goal is to keep kids learning through this.
 
You have to wonder why common sense doesn’t often come into play anymore. A simple phone call from the principal reminding the parents of the no-guns policy and how that applies even in a virtual classroom should have been sufficient. Why on earth would it be reasonable educational policy to shame a kid for this by suspending him? Stupid.
 
this is just low-hanging fruit

of course it's an overreaction by the school district. By policy they probably had to react, but they went way too far. Furthermore, any investigation of the incident would make that clear

more than that though, I'm wondering who was on this video feed. Was it just the student and the teacher zooming or skyping or face-timing? If the only person that saw the gun was the teacher, where is the damage and the threat to the school?
 
wizenheimer said:
this is just low-hanging fruit

of course it's an overreaction by the school district. By policy they probably had to react, but they went way too far. Furthermore, any investigation of the incident would make that clear

more than that though, I'm wondering who was on this video feed. Was it just the student and the teacher zooming or skyping or face-timing? If the only person that saw the gun was the teacher, where is the damage and the threat to the school?
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I have no idea what the laws are in LA but the teacher could be subject to mandatory reporting. The teacher may not have had a choice. But I agree the punishment is too much.
 
I will never understand this idea that the mere sight of a gun, or the mention of a weapon is so incredibly powerful that it will turn people to violence.

The most ridiculous example of this was a radio station bleeping out "sword" from the lyric "brought a sword to the dance floor to cut a rug."
 
This is a tough one. There isn't really a clear paradigm of the rules of school at home online vs in person. Some of the same rules at school apply at home. There are things you can't do in school online that you can't do at school.

Teachers across the country are mandatory reporters. If they see a gun on the screen, or somebody being abused, or drugs/ paraphernalia, they have to report it.

I have heard several stories. Another kid with an obvious green toy gun in Colorado, a kid with a toy gun in Jersey. The grandma yelling about politics. Trump flags, etc.

This kid was not pointing it at the screen. He wasn't pretending to shoot people with it. At the same time, if other kids see a gun on the screen not knowing if it is real or not they could feel threatened, be traumatized. Schools have to make examples.

Still, this kid was being responsible. Maybe the school should have investigated and taken that into account. He didn't mean to put it on the screen.

School policies are blankets though, there is no messing around or room for objectivity.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I will never understand this idea that the mere sight of a gun, or the mention of a weapon is so incredibly powerful that it will turn people to violence.

The most ridiculous example of this was a radio station bleeping out "sword" from the lyric "brought a sword to the dance floor to cut a rug."
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With all the school shootings that happen all the time, schools aren't fucking around. They see a gun, they take it seriously.
 
Chris Craig said:
This is a tough one. There isn't really a clear paradigm of the rules of school at home online vs in person. Some of the same rules at school apply at home. There are things you can't do in school online that you can't do at school.

Teachers across the country are mandatory reporters. If they see a gun on the screen, or somebody being abused, or drugs/ paraphernalia, they have to report it.

I have heard several stories. Another kid with an obvious green toy gun in Colorado, a kid with a toy gun in Jersey. The grandma yelling about politics. Trump flags, etc.

This kid was not pointing it at the screen. He wasn't pretending to shoot people with it. At the same time, if other kids see a gun on the screen not knowing if it is real or not they could feel threatened, be traumatized. Schools have to make examples.

Still, this kid was being responsible. Maybe the school should have investigated and taken that into account. He didn't mean to put it on the screen.

School policies are blankets though, there is no messing around or room for objectivity.
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You can't bring a dog to school but you can to your school zoom feed.
 
I'm mean rules are rules if you want to play......but this should have been handled differently. It would have been different had the kid waved the gun around fucking with the teacher, but in no way did that happen here.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You can't bring a dog to school but you can to your school zoom feed.
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I'm good friends with 3 of my daughter's teachers. Yesterday when she ran to the bathroom, I turned her camera on and took her spot. It was hilarious. You should have seen some of the kids face, teacher was cracking up. My daughter, ya she wasn't too happy though.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You can't bring a dog to school but you can to your school zoom feed.
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School is school, and now home is school...but you can masturbate at home and you can't masturbate at school.

I wish they'd make up their minds!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You can't bring a dog to school but you can to your school zoom feed.
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I've heard plenty that ask you not to, because it is a distraction, and the teachers are already at a disadvantage trying to teach online. Having 20 kids all of a sudden start showing off their pets isn't going to help.
 
Chris Craig said:
With all the school shootings that happen all the time, schools aren't fucking around. They see a gun, they take it seriously.
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One piece of information that would be good to know, did the schools who aren't F-ing around, bother to inform parents before the start of virtual school of how the no-guns policy would apply in Zoom school situations?
 
e_blazer said:
One piece of information that would be good to know, did the schools who aren't F-ing around, bother to inform parents before the start of virtual school of how the no-guns policy would apply in Zoom school situations?
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I think most schools have said how they're treating the virtual classroom as an extension of the real classroom and ask that the families treat it accordingly.
 
RR7 said:
I think most schools have said how they're treating the virtual classroom as an extension of the real classroom and ask that the families treat it accordingly.
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Maybe so, but I'd be interested to know the specifics in a case like this. Were parents specifically informed about policies relating to guns and other matters and how they would be applied in on-line classroom situations? If so, then I have less objection to what they did. If not, then the problem is on the school district.
 
e_blazer said:
One piece of information that would be good to know, did the schools who aren't F-ing around, bother to inform parents before the start of virtual school of how the no-guns policy would apply in Zoom school situations?
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Good question. I am sure they sent an email regarding policies. Whether the parents read it is anither question. It seems kind of common sense if you have a gun its going to get reported. Teachers are mandatory reporters. That is inside and outside of school. We see a kid being hit or verbally abused at the supermarket, we have to report it. We see a kid with a gun on the screen during online school, we have to report it.
 
Chris Craig said:
Good question. I am sure they sent an email regarding policies. Whether the parents read it is anither question. It seems kind of common sense if you have a gun its going to get reported. Teachers are mandatory reporters. That is inside and outside of school. We see a kid being hit or verbally abused at the supermarket, we have to report it. We see a kid with a gun on the screen during online school, we have to report it.
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All of that makes sense, but you have to admit that you can't be sure what they did in this particular Louisiana school district. If school districts notify parents of policies and parents don't take the time to read them, that's on the parents.
 
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