5/18, 4 Assists from the "PG" Miller in 38 Minutes

[PapaG]

This is really beginning to concern me.

 

[maxiep]

You're free to be concerned. Not me.

 

[blue32]

please stop w/your crusade. You're doing this in every thread, its getting olllllllllddddd...

 

[ABM]

Kick back and have a cold one, Papa.

 

[Schilly]

I definitely much prefer the 8 points, 2 rebounds 1 assist in 22 minutes we got from our true "PG"

 

[PapaG]

please stop w/your crusade. You're doing this in every thread, its getting olllllllllddddd...

I've "done this" in two other threads. His final stat line concerns me. Deal with the stat line, not me.

 

[PapaG]

I definitely much prefer the 8 points, 2 rebounds 1 assist in 22 minutes we got from our true "PG"

Blake played SG after Roy got into foul trouble. Plus, I've always said Blake isn't a "true PG". I thought that was what the Blazers were getting in Miller. My mistake.

Do you even follow the games?

 

[Schilly]

Speaking of which does anyone else notice that Blake has more turnovers than assists this year?

 

[Schilly]

Blake played SG after Roy got into foul trouble.

Do you even follow the games?

Well he definitely lit it up scoring wise as a "SG".

 

[blue32]

I've "done this" in two other threads. His final stat line concerns me. Deal with the stat line, not me.

I dont care about the stat. Its pre-season, and really, I've seen you post your miller-hate all over the other threads, no need to make another, honestly.

 

[PapaG]

Well he definitely lit it up scoring wise as a "SG".

Blake needed to be upgraded. I was excited about Miller. After seeing Miller, I am concerned. Do you add anything to any board you've been a member of other than strawman arguments directed at individual posters?

 

[PapaG]

I dont care about the stat. Its pre-season, and really, I've seen you post your miller-hate all over the other threads, no need to make another, honestly.

Again, are you going to comment on the topic of the thread, or are you going to continue to spread lies about my posts.

 

[anonymous gambler]

I notice you don't list his FT makes- 8/9- making his overall efficiency very good. Seriously, though, you should calm down before many of us are forced to ignore you.

 

[PapaG]

I notice you don't list his FT makes- 8/9- making his overall efficiency very good. Seriously, though, you should calm down before many of us are forced to ignore you.

So really, he had over 20 shot attempts.

 

[PapaG]

A million posts about how bad of a coach McMillan is, and I'm the poster who needs to be ignored.

 

[Tince]

A million posts about how bad of a coach McMillan is, and I'm the poster who needs to be ignored.

I agree the McMillian posts are ridiculous. However, these Miller posts often come across the same way. I've seen two games and I haven't seen the problems you see in the box score.

 

[Schilly]

So PapaG I obviously haven't been following the forum close enough to have any clue what your stance is on things. It appears that we both agree that an upgrade over Blake was needed. It appears as though you are quite upset about Miller though. What is your stance who did/do you want that we had available to us?

Just my interpretation here, but from listening to the Game if Andre hadn't put up the stat line he did in the manner that he did, we wouldn't have won the game. As far as I am concerned at this point all we can do is compare Blake to Miller, and statistically Andre has been far better assist to TO ratio is better, ASsists per minute, scoring, Drawing fouls etc..etc..

Miller might not be the perfect PG but I don't think we had many better options.. Sessions maybe?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So PapaG I obviously haven't been following the forum close enough to have any clue what your stance is on things. It appears that we both agree that an upgrade over Blake was needed. It appears as though you are quite upset about Miller though. What is your stance who did/do you want that we had available to us?

Blake needed to be upgraded. I was excited about Miller.

I don't know who he did want, but he has said he was happy with the Miller signing.

 

[Schilly]

Well I would say then that it's probably premature to be overly concerned. We are talking about preseason and we are talking about a player who is still feeling out his teammates. Personally i find that Andres play has been a bright spot this preseason as has Gregs. Everyone else has been pretty sporadic.

 

[Ed O]

This is really beginning to concern me.

Was this thread started before you freaked out several days ago, or were you not even BEGINNING to be concerned when you made those thirty anti-Miller posts?

Ed O.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Blake looked worse than the little corns in my shit tonight. In fact, Blake was awful. If his shot is off, he brings nothing to the table. Quickly approaching Sergio status with me. I esp loved how Nate pulled Bayless in the 2nd when JB was flowin for Blake and Blake did jack. I dunno why this organization has such a man crush on "Blakey" but if we dont trade him, we better not sign him.

 

[Schilly]

I don't think it's all of the organization that has the Man Crush.

One thing I find interesting so far is Blake turnovers. Always in the past Blake has been defended as our starter because he doesn't turn the ball over very much Through 6 games he has 15 assists and 18 turnovers. Millers been better there with 25 assists and only 14 turnovers, still not great, but not as bad.

Miller just needs a little more time to learn his teammates. WHo to hit where and what they are going to do with it. realistically we still shouldn't expect more than 5-6 apg from him. Roy will still be wracking up the Assists on offensive sets. What we will see is an increase in fast-break points, just like we did tonight.

 

[RR7]

He took a lot of shots, so if you just look at the box score, then I can see why you might be concerned. Were you able to watch the game? Or just looking at the box score? He took a lot of shots when we NEEDED someone to take a shot. He played a lot of minutes without a Brandon, LMA, or Oden on the court. Not many were forced shots, what they were was trying to provide what we needed at that moment.

 

[julius]

I don't think it's all of the organization that has the Man Crush.

One thing I find interesting so far is Blake turnovers. Always in the past Blake has been defended as our starter because he doesn't turn the ball over very much Through 6 games he has 15 assists and 18 turnovers. Millers been better there with 25 assists and only 14 turnovers, still not great, but not as bad.

Miller just needs a little more time to learn his teammates. WHo to hit where and what they are going to do with it. realistically we still shouldn't expect more than 5-6 apg from him. Roy will still be wracking up the Assists on offensive sets. What we will see is an increase in fast-break points, just like we did tonight.

One of the arguments, it appears, is that Blake "knows" the team and Miller doesn't.

Well, if Blake "knows" the players and the plays AND Miller is out-assisting him and turning the ball over less (and scoring more and shooting better and rebounding better), it seems to speak volumes about something.

 

[PapaG]

Was this thread started before you freaked out several days ago, or were you not even BEGINNING to be concerned when you made those thirty anti-Miller posts?

Ed O.

I was excited about Miller when I thought he was a pass-first PG. Now, I'm concerned considering he is dominating the ball on offense. I hope he changes the way he is leading this offense. Otherwise, thanks for popping in to comment to me.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Blake played SG after Roy got into foul trouble. Plus, I've always said Blake isn't a "true PG". I thought that was what the Blazers were getting in Miller. My mistake.

Do you even follow the games?

I was actually at the game. Were you? It doesn't sound like it, because if you were you'd know that Aldridge didn't play, that Roy was limited to 21 minutes and Oden to 15 minutes due to the incompetent replacement refs. With our best three scorers seeing limited to no action, and Travis Outlaw playing like complete shit, exactly who was Miller supposed to pass to? During most of his minutes he was clearly the best scoring option we had on the court.

You've turned this into a personal crusade against Miller based solely on armchair analysis of the boxscore. Try watching the games before you jump to incorrect conclusions and continue to make a fool of yourself.

Miller had ZERO turnovers tonight in almost 38 minutes. Blake had 3 TOs in 22 minutes, Roy 3 TOs in 21 minutes and Outlaw 3 TOs in 22 minutes.

BTW, in case you didn't notice, the Blazers won tonight - and they wouldn't have done so without Andre Miller. With Blake shooting 3-12, Roy 3-10 and Outlaw a stellar 1-7, I find it laughable that you single out Miller for his poor shooting. Miller may not have shot the ball well, but with Aldridge out, Roy and Blake having off nights, Travis Outlaw being completely worthless on the offensive end, and Oden in constant foul trouble, it was Miller than kept the Blazers in this game. He got the Nuggets big men in foul trouble by driving the lane and getting them to leave their feet - and converted 8-9 FTs. Game ball goes to Oden for scoring 16 points in less than 16 minutes and taking over in the 4th quarter (until he fouled out on one of the worst calls I've ever seen). Outside of Oden, Andre Miller and Juwan Howard were our best players tonight.

BNM

 

[DennisRodman]

Not a Blazers guy, but I don't think too highly of Miller. I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.

 

[Schilly]

If you use last Season as a measuring stick 5.3 apg gets a player in the top 20 in the league for apg. 6.5 gets a player in the top 15 and 7.2 in the top 10. Put into perspective if we go back 20 years 6.6 = top 20, 7.4 = top 15 and 8.0 = top 10. Go back another 10 years and 5.8 gets a player in the top 10.

If you look at the Team stats Teams scored 9ppg less in 08-09 than in 88-89 and also averaged 5 less assists per game. 78-79 teams averaged very similar numbers in both apg and ppg than in 99-89 but the assists were much more evenly distributed.

Maybe our expectations are not accurate for what a pass first PG is in this era of basketball.

 

[PapaG]

I was actually at the game. Were you? It doesn't sound like it, because if you were you'd know that Aldridge didn't play, that Roy was limited to 21 minutes and Oden to 15 minutes due to the incompetent replacement refs. With our best three scorers seeing limited to no action, and Travis Outlaw playing like complete shit, exactly who was Miller supposed to pass to? During most of his minutes he was clearly the best scoring option we had on the court.

You've turned this into a personal crusade against Miller based solely on armchair analysis of the boxscore. Try watching the games before you jump to incorrect conclusions and continue to make a fool of yourself.

Miller had ZERO turnovers tonight in almost 38 minutes. Blake had 3 TOs in 22 minutes, Roy 3 TOs in 21 minutes and Outlaw 3 TOs in 22 minutes.

BTW, in case you didn't notice, the Blazers won tonight - and they wouldn't have done so without Andre Miller. With Blake shooting 3-12, Roy 3-10 and Outlaw a stellar 1-7, I find it laughable that you single out Miller for his poor shooting. Miller may not have shot the ball well, but with Aldridge out, Roy and Blake having off nights, Travis Outlaw being completely worthless on the offensive end, and Oden in constant foul trouble, it was Miller than kept the Blazers in this game. He got the Nuggets big men in foul trouble by driving the lane and getting them to leave their feet - and converted 8-9 FTs. Game ball goes to Oden for scoring 16 points in less than 16 minutes and taking over in the 4th quarter (until he fouled out on one of the worst calls I've ever seen). Outside of Oden, Andre Miller and Juwan Howard were our best players tonight.

BNM

Miller (by far) is the leader this preseason in shots attempted. He was leading prior to tonight as well.

It's not a "personal crusade". It's me realizing that perhaps the Blazers didn't sign the facilitator I thought they were signing. Congrats on going to the game, by the way. I'm not sure how that trumps me listening on the radio and looking at the stats, but whatever. Plus, Billups was a plus-10 on the court tonight.

The Blazers are struggling right now. They had to come back from 10 points down in the 4th quarter. A great win, and I love what I saw from Oden and Roy in the 4th, but I'm not sold on the new guy yet. 4 assists in 38 minutes? I thought he was supposed to create easy baskets for less-talented players.

 

[Schilly]

PappaG Andre has also lead the team in Minutes played. Prior to tonight Field goal attempts based on a per 30 minute basis

Outlaw 13.6
LMA 12.6
Andre 12.3
Oden 11.7
Roy 10.2

So yes he has been shooting more frequently than Oden or Roy, but from what I've been able to tell Roy hasn't been trying to take over games like he normally would, it's preseason.