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Does it really matter if he's hit up a few bars? He just turned 21. As long as he's not showing up to practice org games smelling like booze or hungover, I don't care. It has gotta suck having everybody up your ass talking about what they saw when you were a freshman at a bar doing what freshmen do at bars.

I'm not really directing this to the board. More of towards that "journalism" and blogging bs.
 
Does it really matter if he's hit up a few bars? He just turned 21. As long as he's not showing up to practice org games smelling like booze or hungover, I don't care. It has gotta suck having everybody up your ass talking about what they saw when you were a freshman at a bar doing what freshmen do at bars.

I'm not really directing this to the board. More of towards that "journalism" and blogging bs.

That's a fair question, and my thought is that his performance affects the answer to it. If he's killing the league and dominating games, nobody cares. If he is wildly inconsistent and says things in the media that could make a person question his drive to be great, some people care. I'm not saying that is right, wrong, or even fair, and I really don't care about this w/out knowing the truth, but if he was hitting the bars frequently, it does set him up for criticism only because of his performance to date. I won't/haven't posted anything about his off-court habits because there is plenty of on-court stuff to discuss, but I understand why some people are beginning to wonder about the guy. I equate this mentality to some of the business trips I took in my younger days. If you want to hit the clubs until 3am, you'd better be extra-better the next day. If you're not, it will rightfully be used against you.
 
You consider those questions legit?

Why doesn't he just ask if he's having premarital sex? He's basically accusing Greg of several things, because he (like a few of us here) seems to be an over-reactionary person.

Greg looks upset, he must hate basketball. Or maybe he's just serious on the court, like we've heard mentioned about him before. He hates losing. Maybe he's upset at his play.

What, he has to be jolly like Shaq to make people happy?

Effectively, Greg is the future/face of the franchise. You're darned right I'd want to know why, when the team doctors are effectively saying he can play, he is choosing not to.

Now, as far as the off-court stuff, big whoop. As long as he's not getting into trouble - and, nothing legitimately suggests he is - then no biggie. I was being slightly facetious regarding the "wowsers", and following, remarks.

I just want to see Greg on the court!
 
Effectively, Greg is the future/face of the franchise. You're darned right I'd want to know why, when the team doctors are effectively saying he can play, he is choosing not to.

I assume it is because his future is on the line, so he doesn't want to take any chances.

The cost to being risk-adverse is a certain group of fans getting annoyed. The cost to taking a chance could be missing more time or causing a worse problem by running and jumping with an unnatural motion due to pain.

If I were him, I know which one I'd pick.
 
Steve Blake was told he could play fine. He did, look what happened. Martel was told he could come back and play, look what happened.

The last thing this fanbase needs more of is armchair doctors and psychologists. It's bad enough we have armchair coaches and GM's stinkin' up the place.
 
Effectively, Greg is the future/face of the franchise. You're darned right I'd want to know why, when the team doctors are effectively saying he can play, he is choosing not to


Why? You seriously have to ask Why? Because he's not at full strength, that's why! And he doesn't wanna risk being out longer than he has to by re-aggravating it. The team is not in dire need of his help right now. But you gotta bet their gonna need him 100% down the stretch.

Unbelievable how impatient some fans are. "RickDawg" is just another one of the many.
 
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I assume it is because his future is on the line, so he doesn't want to take any chances.

The cost to being risk-adverse is a certain group of fans getting annoyed. The cost to taking a chance could be missing more time or causing a worse problem by running and jumping with an unnatural motion due to pain.

If I were him, I know which one I'd pick.

You forgot at least one cost. It is the cost of potentially having your teammates and coaches wonder if they can depend on you to be on the court. Hell, Przy is playing with a wrist that may require surgery after the season.

Here is an interesting blog entry from Quick date 2/1/09.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/02/walking_a_fine_line_on_comebac.html

When is the right time for an injured player to return to action?
It's a question the Trail Blazers have faced five times this season, and the team's decisions have had mixed results: Martell Webster (broken left foot) and Steve Blake (separated shoulder) each came back earlier than expected and suffered a setback in his first game.

But Joel Przybilla (broken wrist), Brandon Roy (hamstring) and Greg Oden (foot sprain) either played through or came back from an injury without incident.

"It's a hard thing, a fine line, because you want to win, and the players want to be out there to contribute," Blazers athletic trainer Jay Jensen said. "But at the same time, you don't want the player getting injured further. It's a juggling act."

The latest example came this week, when Blake returned from a separated shoulder in 12 days, which was ahead of the prognosis of two to four weeks. Blake lasted 11 minutes before a hard screen by the L.A. Clippers' Brian Skinner aggravated the shoulder. It was a nightmare scenario. Blake was sidelined not only for the rest of the game, but the next two games as well. He is listed as a game-time decision for tonight's game at New Orleans.

The Blazers say they aren't second-guessing their decision to allow Blake to play because they have been consistent in keeping the three-pronged criteria for a player's return to action: The player must feel ready to play. Jensen must clear him to play after a series of stress-related tests. And coach Nate McMillan has to see the player participate full-speed in a practice before he plays
 
Steve Blake was told he could play fine. He did, look what happened. Martel was told he could come back and play, look what happened.

The last thing this fanbase needs more of is armchair doctors and psychologists. It's bad enough we have armchair coaches and GM's stinkin' up the place.

Correct, which is why I'll take the Blazer doctor's word that Oden is ready to play. I'm not the one questioning the Blazer doctors/training staff.
 
Steve Blake was told he could play fine. He did, look what happened. Martel was told he could come back and play, look what happened.

The last thing this fanbase needs more of is armchair doctors and psychologists. It's bad enough we have armchair coaches and GM's stinkin' up the place.

Blake was hit again, IIRC.

Nonetheless, unless this is Quick fanning the flames, I'm sensing some concern on the part of at least Nate. I'm not even close to becoming an armachair doctor or psychologist. Wouldn't even be talking about it if I hadn't already seen a bunch wavering back and forth. First I read a day or two, then a few days, then a week. Yeesh, he went on the trip. Why not just test it out for a few minutes here and there?

Whatever. Yeah, it's his body. Nobody knows his body like he does. However, I also remember another Blazer player by the name of Derek Anderson. I'm sure he knew what his body could "bear", as well.
 
You forgot at least one cost. It is the cost of potentially having your teammates and coaches wonder if they can depend on you to be on the court.

If that is an issue, he should certainly factor that in. He's the one who can talk to them.

Hell, Przy is playing with a wrist that may require surgery after the season.

Which is certainly admirable, but different. You can try to avoid using the wrist as much as possible, and it's not weight-bearing. You can't reduce usage of a knee and it impacts everything you do. If you run unnaturally due to favouring one knee, you can risk back problems or foot problems, etc.

I'm not saying Oden should or shouldn't be playing. But I can certainly see why he wouldn't play the moment he's medically cleared.
 
If that is an issue, he should certainly factor that in. He's the one who can talk to them.



Which is certainly admirable, but different. You can try to avoid using the wrist as much as possible, and it's not weight-bearing. You can't reduce usage of a knee and it impacts everything you do. If you run unnaturally due to favouring one knee, you can risk back problems or foot problems, etc.

I'm not saying Oden should or shouldn't be playing. But I can certainly see why he wouldn't play the moment he's medically cleared.


I can as well, but that doesn't mean it isn't having in impact on how fans, Nate, and potentially his teammates view him sitting out.
 
I can as well, but that doesn't mean it isn't having in impact on how fans, Nate, and potentially his teammates view him sitting out.

+1

Agreed.
 
I can as well, but that doesn't mean it isn't having in impact on how fans, Nate, and potentially his teammates view him sitting out.

Absolutely. He's paid well enough to worry about all that. I'm not paid a cent to worry about him balancing out annoying people vs. health concerns, so I don't. ;)

I just look forward to when he's back on the court and hope he continues to fulfill his potential.
 
Depend on Oden?!?! The guy who just had micro fracture surgery, before one year in college with a broken wrist, and who now is trying to compete in the NBA the most competitive league in the world with minimal skills???

GO needs some time to develop his skills before anyone can rely on him no matter how healthy he is. This was never supposed to be a year we depend on Oden... If you thought it was than your lost.
 
Blake was hit again, IIRC.

Nonetheless, unless this is Quick fanning the flames, I'm sensing some concern on the part of at least Nate. I'm not even close to becoming an armachair doctor or psychologist. Wouldn't even be talking about it if I hadn't already seen a bunch wavering back and forth. First I read a day or two, then a few days, then a week. Yeesh, he went on the trip. Why not just test it out for a few minutes here and there?

Whatever. Yeah, it's his body. Nobody knows his body like he does. However, I also remember another Blazer player by the name of Derek Anderson. I'm sure he knew what his body could "bear", as well.

Derek Anderson sat out with a toothache. The situations are not comparable.
 
Absolutely. He's paid well enough to worry about all that. I'm not paid a cent to worry about him balancing out annoying people vs. health concerns, so I don't. ;)

I just look forward to when he's back on the court and hope he continues to fulfill his potential.

I've said a few times between the two threads on this that I just want Greg to succeed and that it is clear that the team needs him right now. There is no doubt that the team is MUCH better with Oden being able to play.
 
I've said a few times between the two threads on this that I just want Greg to succeed and that it is clear that the team needs him right now. There is no doubt that the team is MUCH better with Oden being able to play.

I'm not implying you want him to fail. I'm just saying that I fully agree with you that he needs to ponder all those issues, he needs to ponder his own health concerns and come to a decision. It can't be easy, but fortunately I don't have to worry about it.

I want to see him on the floor, for my own entertainment. As you say, the Blazers are a significantly better team when he's on the floor.
 
oden's most recent update is on his blog:

People im still out with my injury, it really gets on my nerves because i really want to get out on the court and play as my team is still in the race to make the Playoffs. I just want to get out there and contribute. We have a couple of guys banged up on our team as well as all the other teams, but it makes me feel bad that i cant go out and play with mine. I am doing more things but its still not ready to get in a game and move at that speed. Im freaking tired of rehab even though i know i need i just want to be out there and not have to worry about anything i have went through this for too long. Im gonna have to suck it up quick cause the end of the reagular season is coming to a end quick. On another note im watching MTV's America's Best Dance Crew and Qwest Crew better win they're sick!
 
oden's most recent update is on his blog:

A good response. I'm glad he's not taking crap. Since he's a member of Generation TXT, he's probably got a fairly thick skin to the OH NOES U SUXXORS type of commentary most blogs get when the drooling internet hordes invade.
 
A good response. I'm glad he's not taking crap. Since he's a member of Generation TXT, he's probably got a fairly thick skin to the OH NOES U SUXXORS type of commentary most blogs get when the drooling internet hordes invade.

The drooling internet horde? That sounds like a great group to join! How do I get in?

Wait what do you mean I'm already in, and a card carrying member?:crazy:
 
All I have to say to all the doubter's on this board and beyond.

What doesn't break you, only makes you stronger.

I think Oden will grow to be an even bigger man and star
 
Which is the idiocy part you're referring to?

For starters, assuming every anonymous internet random quote is absolute truth.

And how about someone assuming he/she/it is "everyone"? That person may think Oden is tanking it. "Everyone" does not.
 
For starters, assuming every anonymous internet random quote is absolute truth.

And how about someone assuming he/she/it is "everyone"? That person may think Oden is tanking it. "Everyone" does not.

Nonetheless, I still don't qualify all his remarks as "idiodic". Plus, he was kind enough to end his post with....

Hope all the rumors are wrong. Keep your head up, chin above water, and go for your goals man, whatever they may be. Good luck and God bless.
 

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