Africa

[BrewCityBuck]

What do you think about all the charities, all the millions we give them, the sudden media blitz to help that continent...etc...What is our responsibility?

 

[SportsTicker]

I remember we had a huge debate about this in Religion class. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure) China is helping fuel the genocide in Darfur in some way or another, and activists are calling for the United States to have talks with China about the situation...On another note, the widespread epidemic of AIDs is caused by a lot of African myths within in the country. For example, many people are against the use of condoms, and think that taking a shower after having sex will prevent the risk of getting AIDs. Men also have sex with different women (without protection) and it is helping spread the disease faster. All the money we send won't help unless we try to break some of the myths that exist about catching HIV & AIDs. The media blitz has been going for a while, especially with the genocide in Darfur. As usual, the United States is expected to give millions, if not billions of dollars for help in the region, but it is not our sole responsibility. It would be nice to hear about what other countries are doing for the region every once in a while...

 

[noballer08]

I think a lot of the European countries, especially those who used to control colonies in that continent, should step up and start donating more. The U.S. shouldn't have to have the main responsibility of sending aid where needed...

 

[MaRdYC26]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 10 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think a lot of the European countries, especially those who used to control colonies in that continent, should step up and start donating more. The U.S. shouldn't have to have the main responsibility of sending aid where needed...</div>Yeah, but we have the most money...If we weren't dumping so much freaking money into Iraq we could help out a lot over there...that's what makes me so mad is that it'd be going towards a better cause then the crap we're doing in Iraq.

 

[noballer08]

True, but with all of the money that Europe has made off of Africa they should be sending that cash back in droves.

 

[redneck]

I don't think we should give any countries over there any help. Let them kill each other for whatever reasons they feel nessicary, but getting involved over there would be a huge mistake. Africa is volitile, and will errupt and any country with its ass over there will regreat it. Africa has a lot of resources, it's just the people won't stop killing each other long enough to take advantage of them. Also, the Muslims aren't helping the situation there either, they move into Christian, Jewish, or traditional African communities and demand them to convert and when they don't they massacre them. I think it would be best to leave Africa alone because eventually everyone there will be dead for famine, war, genocide or AIDs. I know I may sound harsh, but this country has poured way to much money into third world shitholes at the expense of it's own citizens. Lets rebuild New Orleans, or Inner city Detroit, Oakland, or New York. Lets use that money to lower taxes, or create a government based insurance program to help ease the cost of healthcare. there is a lot more useful thing that money could be spent on. I am a firm believer in American money should be spent on America.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>True, but with all of the money that Europe has made off of Africa they should be sending that cash back in droves.</div>Europe doesn't have the money to do much of anything. Western Europe does, but Eastern Europe is a little better off than some of these African countries.

 

[MaRdYC26]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 10 2007, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think we should give any countries over there any help. Let them kill each other for whatever reasons they feel nessicary, but getting involved over there would be a huge mistake. Africa is volitile, and will errupt and any country with its ass over there will regreat it. Africa has a lot of resources, it's just the people won't stop killing each other long enough to take advantage of them. Also, the Muslims aren't helping the situation there either, they move into Christian, Jewish, or traditional African communities and demand them to convert and when they don't they massacre them. I think it would be best to leave Africa alone because eventually everyone there will be dead for famine, war, genocide or AIDs. I know I may sound harsh, but this country has poured way to much money into third world shitholes at the expense of it's own citizens. Lets rebuild New Orleans, or Inner city Detroit, Oakland, or New York. Lets use that money to lower taxes, or create a government based insurance program to help ease the cost of healthcare. there is a lot more useful thing that money could be spent on. I am a firm believer in American money should be spent on America.Europe doesn't have the money to do much of anything. Western Europe does, but Eastern Europe is a little better off than some of these African countries.</div>I agree with a lot of your post, however aren't you a supporter of the war in Iraq? It's contradicting.

 

[Justice]

I agree with Redneck in the sense that we shouldn't be wasting our time and money with genocide in Africa. It's the same as in the Middle East, really. However, I do think that we need to help these people survive at least, though. I think it's ridiculous that people are starving, kids are getting Kwashiorkor, and so on. We have a surplus of food, there no reason people should have such a hard time living.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 10 2007, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think we should give any countries over there any help. Let them kill each other for whatever reasons they feel nessicary, but getting involved over there would be a huge mistake. Africa is volitile, and will errupt and any country with its ass over there will regreat it. I think it would be best to leave Africa alone because eventually everyone there will be dead for famine, war, genocide or AIDs. I know I may sound harsh, but this country has poured way to much money into third world shitholes at the expense of it's own citizens. Lets rebuild New Orleans, or Inner city Detroit, Oakland, or New York. Lets use that money to lower taxes, or create a government based insurance program to help ease the cost of healthcare. there is a lot more useful thing that money could be spent on. I am a firm believer in American money should be spent on America.Europe doesn't have the money to do much of anything. Western Europe does, but Eastern Europe is a little better off than some of these African countries.</div>Although I am not a huge supporter of throwing billions of dollars towards Africa, but there's just no realistic way we could get away with not sending money. The pressure from the world community would just be too much. I realize you were probably saying that as a unrealistic goal, but the US does not even recognize the genocide in Darfur as an actual genocide, because if we did, we'd REALLY have to send support and money there. I'm pretty tired of the US being the only ones who are obliged to send money everywhere, but I guess it's just because we have the most money...Western Europe (France, Britain, Italy, Spain, Germany) need to play a larger role...

 

[l?ckdown]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 10 2007, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it would be best to leave Africa alone because eventually everyone there will be dead for famine, war, genocide or AIDs. I know I may sound harsh, but this country has poured way to much money into third world shitholes at the expense of it's own citizens. Lets rebuild New Orleans, or Inner city Detroit, Oakland, or New York. Lets use that money to lower taxes, or create a government based insurance program to help ease the cost of healthcare. there is a lot more useful thing that money could be spent on. I am a firm believer in American money should be spent on America.Europe doesn't have the money to do much of anything. Western Europe does, but Eastern Europe is a little better off than some of these African countries.</div>Please, the sh*tty areas in America are nothing like the places in developing countries. That is just plain horrible to think that we should ride it out. We do not have to worry about dying from Malaria or not getting enough food. I do agree that we should also help America, but to not help not only a country but essentially an entire continent of people is just crazy. What would you think if Europe was still doing great , but the U.S. would turn into a 3rd world country? Wouldn't you be questioning why someone can't help you, while the worst thing they are complaining about is spending a little more money on taxes, while you just want some food to survive? I don't get what is so wrong with donating money over there. A large amount of the charity funds are not even used, they are taken through the process by corrupt individuals (usually leaders) who would rather live like movie starts with big houses and other superficial things. The situation in Darfur is just crazy in this modern world. We do not live in the 1800's anymore, we can stop these diseases (excluding AIDS) and malnutrition, we cannot live in a bottled up little world of ours, and decide to help whoever essentially is beneficial to us. I also agree that it is not only our responsibility to help, but just because other countries aren't into it as much, why would we have to follow suit?

 

[redneck]

I am a supporter of the war, but not the way it was conducted or handled. Saddam Hussain should have been removed from power via special ops, not a full blown invasion.I know it's an unrealistic goal, because the bleeding hearts of society won't let it be. I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks, and we need a leader which thinks the same way. I thought George W Bush was going to be that guy, unfortinatly he has the balls to do it, just not the brains. I am an isolationist, so for the most part I think the US should not get involved in to many internation affairs. Sometimes, yes, there are situations inwhich the US absolutly must be involved in internationl BS. Durfur is definatly one of those, so is the Nuclear proliferation of Iran and North Korea, but Israel and Palastine is not. niether are regional struggles in Cote D'Ivorie. This country has gotten itself entangled into such a conumdrum(sp?) of international relations, treaties, and polocies, that we are pretty much obligated to do these things. The French and Germans can cry all they want about Africa, they should be the ones fixing it because it's their goddamned mess to begin with. But those two countries seemed to have been neutered after WWII. The World hates the US, and it's not just because of George Bush, every US president has pissed off certain parts of the world in favor of another part, we're never going to be liked by most countries. Yes under Bill Clinton the US was liked more than it is today, but thats because US Democratic Presidents tend to lend more money and AID internationally than do Republican presidents. If Bush gave a sh*t load of money to the centeral Republic of Noonegivesashit than he'd have a more favorable revue in that country.

 

[MaRdYC26]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 10 2007, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am an isolationist, so for the most part I think the US should not get involved in to many internation affairs. Sometimes, yes, there are situations inwhich the US absolutly must be involved in internationl BS. Durfur is definatly one of those, so is the Nuclear proliferation of Iran and North Korea, but Israel and Palastine is not. niether are regional struggles in Cote D'Ivorie. This country has gotten itself entangled into such a conumdrum(sp?) of international relations, treaties, and polocies, that we are pretty much obligated to do these things. The French and Germans can cry all they want about Africa, they should be the ones fixing it because it's their goddamned mess to begin with. But those two countries seemed to have been neutered after WWII. The World hates the US, and it's not just because of George Bush, every US president has pissed off certain parts of the world in favor of another part, we're never going to be liked by most countries. Yes under Bill Clinton the US was liked more than it is today, but thats because US Democratic Presidents tend to lend more money and AID internationally than do Republican presidents. If Bush gave a sh*t load of money to the centeral Republic of Noonegivesashit than he'd have a more favorable revue in that country.</div>I think your a redneck, just like your username

You just like to get involved in sh*t that involves violence. :HAHAHA:

 

[Pacers fan forever]

Ok, I lived in Africa for 7 years of my life. Some of you guy's comments are completely ridiculous. Seriously, guys, experience the place before you start to critisize. Alot of the problems in Africa are because of foreign impact, like Europe, the US.... If Africa hadn't been hurt years ago we wouldn't have all these problems in Africa. The Western world has influenced Africa in a bad way. I think we as Americans have the responsibility to help Africa because we were the ones who helped cause the problems. AIDS could be solved so easily by one thing: EDUCATION. As for genocide: send the military in, we gave Africa the weapons, introduced them to mass violence, it's only right for us to take it back. I can keep rambling on about htis and teaching you guys but I don't feel like it right now...

 

[Milgod]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 10 2007, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think we should give any countries over there any help. Let them kill each other for whatever reasons they feel nessicary, but getting involved over there would be a huge mistake. Africa is volitile, and will errupt and any country with its ass over there will regreat it. Africa has a lot of resources, it's just the people won't stop killing each other long enough to take advantage of them. Also, the Muslims aren't helping the situation there either, they move into Christian, Jewish, or traditional African communities and demand them to convert and when they don't they massacre them. I think it would be best to leave Africa alone because eventually everyone there will be dead for famine, war, genocide or AIDs. I know I may sound harsh, but this country has poured way to much money into third world shitholes at the expense of it's own citizens. Lets rebuild New Orleans, or Inner city Detroit, Oakland, or New York. Lets use that money to lower taxes, or create a government based insurance program to help ease the cost of healthcare. there is a lot more useful thing that money could be spent on. I am a firm believer in American money should be spent on America.Europe doesn't have the money to do much of anything. Western Europe does, but Eastern Europe is a little better off than some of these African countries.</div>I don't think there were very many Eastern European countries that had African colonies though. Also, if the US is to 'not get involved' in Africa then they shouldn't be able to have companies there, use the work force or the natural resources for their own good. Its only fair.

 

[MaRdYC26]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 11 2007, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, I lived in Africa for 7 years of my life. Some of you guy's comments are completely ridiculous. Seriously, guys, experience the place before you start to critisize. Alot of the problems in Africa are because of foreign impact, like Europe, the US.... If Africa hadn't been hurt years ago we wouldn't have all these problems in Africa. The Western world has influenced Africa in a bad way. I think we as Americans have the responsibility to help Africa because we were the ones who helped cause the problems. AIDS could be solved so easily by one thing: EDUCATION. As for genocide: send the military in, we gave Africa the weapons, introduced them to mass violence, it's only right for us to take it back. I can keep rambling on about htis and teaching you guys but I don't feel like it right now...</div>I didn't know you were black...

 

[primetime]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 10 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>True, but with all of the money that Europe has made off of Africa they should be sending that cash back in droves.</div>I agree with you 100%. if fact it was originally the europeans who started the downfall of africa. Spain,portugal,england,etc. should all donate as much money as is needed to help save the people there.

 

[Eli*]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 11 2007, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't know you were black...</div>How does living in africa automatically make you black?

 

[noballer08]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eli* @ Jul 11 2007, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How does living in africa automatically make you black?</div>Exactly lol, but from the context it doesn't sound like he is white, since he is talking about how the Europeans are the root of a lot of the problems in Africa today...

 

[redneck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jul 11 2007, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think there were very many Eastern European countries that had African colonies though. Also, if the US is to 'not get involved' in Africa then they shouldn't be able to have companies there, use the work force or the natural resources for their own good. Its only fair.</div>It was mostly the Western Europeans, but the Ottomans(partly European) and Russians also had interests in the area. I agree that US companies should also stop exploiting Africa. lets get self sufficient again.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 11 2007, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you 100%. if fact it was originally the europeans who started the downfall of africa. Spain,portugal,england,etc. should all donate as much money as is needed to help save the people there.</div>Africa did a good job on itself too. African tribes would war with each other just to capture the other tribes peoples to sell them into slavery. that started well before the European encroachment.

 

[gentile]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 11 2007, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Africa did a good job on itself too. African tribes would war with each other just to capture the other tribes peoples to sell them into slavery. that started well before the European encroachment.</div>I see the finger pointed at Africa over slaverly so often it's laughable. Some tribes in Africa enslaved people, but it definitely wasn't based on racial inferiority and the scale by comparison is mighty miniscule.African tribes did not possibly kidnap 10-15 MILLION people over the course of 300 years. If the entire history of slavery on the entire continent was counted, it wouldn't reach 1 million up to the 19th century.Africa didn't cruelly waste lives, killing up to 4 million people on the grueling middle passage neither.There were wars and raids, yeah, but nothing done indigenously even comes close to treating a race of people like chattel.

 

[CB4allstar]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 11 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't know you were black...</div>That doesn't make you black. There are alot of people in South Africa who are caucasians. And my dad is from Morocco, which is in Northern Africa. The people there are arabs, not blacks.As for Africa, I dont know alot about the subject, but they definitely need our help. The kids there are infected with aids, and various other diseases. The kids are starving...there's rebels in Africa going crazy and killing other civilians. It's just a mess, and since they are our fellow human beings, it's important for the fortunate people to help them out.

 

[noballer08]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 11 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Africa did a good job on itself too. African tribes would war with each other just to capture the other tribes peoples to sell them into slavery. that started well before the European encroachment.</div>That has very little to do with the way Africa is now. That's not a good way to see things. If it wasn't for Portugal and the Dutch and the French and their colonization and exploitation of the continent they wouldn't be in so much strife. The fact is is that when the nations were divided up, the European powers paid no attention to tribal borders/lines either because of their extreme ignorance of the continent or just a lack of care because of a desire for profit and land. This is why you see so much genocide and war and conflict in Africa; tribes with European/Western weapons destroying one another for land.

 

[redneck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gentile @ Jul 11 2007, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I see the finger pointed at Africa over slaverly so often it's laughable. Some tribes in Africa enslaved people, but it definitely wasn't based on racial inferiority and the scale by comparison is mighty miniscule.African tribes did not possibly kidnap 10-15 MILLION people over the course of 300 years. If the entire history of slavery on the entire continent was counted, it wouldn't reach 1 million up to the 19th century.Africa didn't cruelly waste lives, killing up to 4 million people on the grueling middle passage neither.There were wars and raids, yeah, but nothing done indigenously even comes close to treating a race of people like chattel.</div>The Benin(I may be wrong about the tribes name, but I think it was the Benin) had amassed a huge empire from slave trading in the late 18th and early 19th century. They would trade Slaves for guns, by the time of the Napoleonic wars they had the 3rd largest army in the world behind France and Brittian, all from the slave trade. Once the European nations banned slavery, and the US reduced the importation of slaves the Benin empire fell apart practically overnight. African tribes, mainly saharan tribes, were involved in black slavery as early as 10th century because. Egypt, Assyria, and Carthage would all use slaves from that part of the world. in the 14th and 15th century slaves from Subsahara Africa were being sent to China via the silk road. The Ottomans were also a big preveyor of African Slavery. they would take young men, and casterate them to guard their harems. 9/10 of their Unics would die, and it's estimated by Ottoman sources that at the height of the Harems there were 150,000 African Unics. so by going by that number, and the fact that only 1/10 lived you're looking at 1.5 million for that purpose alone. that is excluding work based slaves.If you goto the west coast of Africa and visit the European forts, you'll notice that the batteries and cannons are pointed towards the sea, not the land. if the Europeans were raiding for slaves than the defenses would be postioned inland. because, if you kidnap enough people the natives would get restless and would have nothing to lose when they attacked you. also, African tribes would know the region a lot better than any European, they'd be able to raid one villiage and get out and back to their villiage very quickly<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 11 2007, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That has very little to do with the way Africa is now. That's not a good way to see things. If it wasn't for Portugal and the Dutch and the French and their colonization and exploitation of the continent they wouldn't be in so much strife. The fact is is that when the nations were divided up, the European powers paid no attention to tribal borders/lines either because of their extreme ignorance of the continent or just a lack of care because of a desire for profit and land. This is why you see so much genocide and war and conflict in Africa; tribes with European/Western weapons destroying one another for land.</div>There would be striff even without the European powers. one major issue of contention today is Islamic fanatics. long before the world cared about Muslim extremist, Africa was getting distroyed by them. the fighting between Muslims and Christians is what has sparked civil wars in Somalia, Etheopia, Chad, Cote D'Ivorie, Uganda, and many other nations. Then the Muslims began fighting amongst themselves like in Somalia. There is also a lot of bad blood between groups of people which extends back to the precolonial days. one tribe builds up a rivalry with another tribe and it turns to hate. much like England and France have hated each other through the centuries.

 

[gentile]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 11 2007, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Benin(I may be wrong about the tribes name, but I think it was the Benin) had amassed a huge empire from slave trading in the late 18th and early 19th century. They would trade Slaves for guns, by the time of the Napoleonic wars they had the 3rd largest army in the world behind France and Brittian, all from the slave trade. Once the European nations banned slavery, and the US reduced the importation of slaves the Benin empire fell apart practically overnight.</div>Proof that the enormity of the slave trade was significantly bolstered and perhaps engineered in it's largesse by the west. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>African tribes, mainly saharan tribes, were involved in black slavery as early as 10th century because. Egypt, Assyria, and Carthage would all use slaves from that part of the world. in the 14th and 15th century slaves from Subsahara Africa were being sent to China via the silk road.</div>No argument from me. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Ottomans were also a big preveyor of African Slavery. they would take young men, and casterate them to guard their harems. 9/10 of their Unics would die, and it's estimated by Ottoman sources that at the height of the Harems there were 150,000 African Unics. so by going by that number, and the fact that only 1/10 lived you're looking at 1.5 million for that purpose alone. that is excluding work based slaves.</div>What do the Ottomans, a Turkish Muslim expansion, have to do with the West raiding Africa for up to 14 million people when they kidnapped 1.4 million? Islam did much of the same colonizing and slavery to Africa under the guise of religious conversion fighting and stealing and raiding from the east. Great? So?

 

[Pacers fan forever]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 11 2007, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't know you were black...</div>LOL? WTF? My parents are both white, they are just missionaries so I was born overseas, so - I'm white. But that doesn't really matter, does it?

 

[MaRdYC26]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 11 2007, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL? WTF? My parents are both white, they are just missionaries so I was born overseas, so - I'm white. But that doesn't really matter, does it?</div>Oh, I'm sorry. You were talking like you were in the majority over there, not the minority!

 

[Pacers fan forever]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 12 2007, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, I'm sorry. You were talking like you were in the majority over there, not the minority!

</div>I don't see race, brother

 

[primetime]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 11 2007, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL? WTF? My parents are both white, they are just missionaries so I was born overseas, so - I'm white. But that doesn't really matter, does it?</div>that explains alot.Heres you when you get older pff. you have a tumor that will kill you? drink this water and be saved by GOD!

 

[Pacers fan forever]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that explains alot.Heres you when you get older pff. you have a tumor that will kill you? drink this water and be saved by GOD!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqcvnGO1pWE...ted&search=</div>ROFL! haha, my *ss, I don't believe in that sh*t

 

[primetime]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 12 2007, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ROFL! haha, my *ss, I don't believe in that sh*t</div>I actually ordered that miracle springwater and now heres what I look like

THANKS JESUS! :happy0144: