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speeds said:
How far Democrats distance themselves from her shows how disconnected from reality they are. She's nothing but reasonable. She's constantly pushing back against both parties.
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I disagree. How they distance from her shows how disconnected from reality a lot of the American public is. If getting close to her would be a winning formula - they would be all over it. Let's try to point the finger at the real culprit - the American people's will to believe what is wrong - and she says it loud and clear in the second tweet above.

Unfortunately - and this is something some people on the left are unwilling to accept - the USA population is a very large ship to turn around. Anyone that thinks it can be easily maneuvered like a white-water raft is going to be very disappointed. That's why Biden won the Democratic nomination - his center / leaning left position is one that is much easier to sell to the American public, even if what AOC, and Bernie et al say actually makes a lot of sense, logically.
 
andalusian said:
I disagree. How they distance from her shows how disconnected from reality a lot of the American public is. If getting close to her would be a winning formula - they would be all over it. Let's try to point the finger at the real culprit - the American people's will to believe what is wrong - and she says it loud and clear in the second tweet above.

Unfortunately - and this is something some people on the left are unwilling to accept - the USA population is a very large ship to turn around. Anyone that thinks it can be easily maneuvered like a white-water raft is going to be very disappointed. That's why Biden won the Democratic nomination - his center / leaning left position is one that is much easier to sell to the American public, even if what AOC, and Bernie et al say actually makes a lot of sense, logically.
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That ship will be much easier to turn around when baby boomers pass on.

I’m not saying I want them to pass. Just that it’s the truth.
 
MickZagger said:
That ship will be much easier to turn around when baby boomers pass on.

I’m not saying I want them to pass. Just that it’s the truth.
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I suspect it will be easier, much easier tho, I kind of doubt it, but maybe you are right. Will be interesting to see what it looks like in 10 or 20 years.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I started seeing the ridiculous price gouging of college while I was in the middle of getting my degree. I can only imagine it's much worse now.
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As a father to a college kid with another one waiting in the wings, I can assure you that it is absurdly expensive.

I have started referring to the kids as Ferrari and Maserati...
 
speeds said:
How far Democrats distance themselves from her shows how disconnected from reality they are. She's nothing but reasonable. She's constantly pushing back against both parties.
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And on the other hand, the right's obsession with her is just weird. Any of the rare times I turn on Fox, she seems to be the topic of discussion, like she IS the Democratic Party or something.

My GOP friend thinks she is our hero, but I don't know anyone that really thinks about her all that much. Do you?
 
Stevenson said:
And on the other hand, the right's obsession with her is just weird. Any of the rare times I turn on Fox, she seems to be the topic of discussion, like she IS the Democratic Party or something.

My GOP friend thinks she is our hero, but I don't know anyone that really thinks about her all that much. Do you?
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She's an easy target because she's A: young B attractive C: female D: aggressive/calls people on their shit/not a stepford wife.

Add into that that she's from NY and holy crap, she's the anti-christ!
 
Stevenson said:
And on the other hand, the right's obsession with her is just weird. Any of the rare times I turn on Fox, she seems to be the topic of discussion, like she IS the Democratic Party or something.

My GOP friend thinks she is our hero, but I don't know anyone that really thinks about her all that much. Do you?
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The GOP good old boys are scared shitless of a liberal hispanic New Yorker who's smarter than they are and fearless.....she's their worst nightmare...a confident young woman with ideas that expose greed and male dominated politics in general. Racism and sexism in one target....that's what this young lady represents to a certain segment of the Republican male contingency...I'm glad women and young people of diverse backgrounds are a growing part of govt
 
andalusian said:
I disagree. How they distance from her shows how disconnected from reality a lot of the American public is. If getting close to her would be a winning formula - they would be all over it. Let's try to point the finger at the real culprit - the American people's will to believe what is wrong - and she says it loud and clear in the second tweet above.

Unfortunately - and this is something some people on the left are unwilling to accept - the USA population is a very large ship to turn around. Anyone that thinks it can be easily maneuvered like a white-water raft is going to be very disappointed. That's why Biden won the Democratic nomination - his center / leaning left position is one that is much easier to sell to the American public, even if what AOC, and Bernie et al say actually makes a lot of sense, logically.
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The Democrats portrayed Obama as a progressive in 2008 and they were successful. The Democratic establishment could abide this because they knew he wasn't one. (Side note: the Trudeau Liberal gov't in Canada also won with this formula of using progressive language without progressive policy).

Bernie was riding a groundswell of support in 2016 until the Democrats and the media clipped his wings. They couldn't abide Sanders because he would actually push for a reorientation of the federal gov't and economy. They also bypassed Biden and pushed a deeply repugnant candidate who won the popular vote but doomed the country to four or more years of brazen corruption and anti-governance. They had a second chance in 2020 but again played it "safe" repeating the narrative that the spectre of socialism was too frightening for the voters. They again won the GE but lost ground in the Congress and could still not take the Senate.

Progressives like AOC and Omar have just cruised to reelection despite immense pressure and fundraising by opponents and a lack of support from establishment Democrats. The future of the party is not running lifelong hawkish conservatives like Clinton and Biden, in my opinion, and hopefully the end of the Boomer era will bore that out.
 
Stevenson said:
And on the other hand, the right's obsession with her is just weird. Any of the rare times I turn on Fox, she seems to be the topic of discussion, like she IS the Democratic Party or something.

My GOP friend thinks she is our hero, but I don't know anyone that really thinks about her all that much. Do you?
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I enjoy watching her dunk on fools.
 
speeds said:
The Democrats portrayed Obama as a progressive in 2008 and they were successful. The Democratic establishment could abide this because they knew he wasn't one. (Side note: the Trudeau Liberal gov't in Canada also won with this formula of using progressive language without progressive policy).

Bernie was riding a groundswell of support in 2016 until the Democrats and the media clipped his wings. They couldn't abide Sanders because he would actually push for a reorientation of the federal gov't and economy. They also bypassed Biden and pushed a deeply repugnant candidate who won the popular vote but doomed the country to four or more years of brazen corruption and anti-governance. They had a second chance in 2020 but again played it "safe" repeating the narrative that the spectre of socialism was too frightening for the voters. They again won the GE but lost ground in the Congress and could still not take the Senate.

Progressives like AOC and Omar have just cruised to reelection despite immense pressure and fundraising by opponents and a lack of support from establishment Democrats. The future of the party is not running lifelong hawkish conservatives like Clinton and Biden, in my opinion, and hopefully the end of the Boomer era will bore that out.
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I have found it amusing how the boomers get so much blame for how fucked up America is. Perhaps if we had a cool, All American nickname like “the Greatest Generation” the younger generations would cut us some slack. It’s not like we were exactly handed a sustainable culture by that Greatest Generation. Or one that was even realistic. Yeah, we’ve fucked things up mightily, but I’d argue no more so than every previous generation. Gens X, Y, Z and beyond did not grow up cowering under school desks or in school basements, practicing for the day when the Big One was going to drop. They weren’t steeped in the hysteria that the Communists would storm our shores, kill our fathers and rape and enslave our mothers. Those generations can laugh, but that’s the kind of crap we were raised on. We saw the Berlin Wall go up, along with the resultant tensions. We had Russian nuclear missiles just off the American coast, with nuclear war just a stupid mistake away. If that makes us “hawks” (an exaggeration if there ever was one), then so be it. Yet if we did not exactly invent the anti war culture, we took it to a whole different level. What anyone sees on the streets today is compliments of the Boomers, good, bad or indifferent. And the following generations already have a good start on fucking things up even worse (Antifa anyone?). Welcome to 21st Century America.

This boomer would personally have a president that leans towards the “don’t fuck with us” (and the rest of the free world) side of things rather than a president who appeases dictators and deals from a position of weakness. That said, I personally don’t have any problems with progressives issues. I’m just smart enough (and jaded enough) to know that the progressive agenda isn’t going to go anywhere fast and Boomers have nothing to do with it. Not every member of every younger generation is a progressive. not everyone (unfortunately) believes in any or all of the progressive agenda, no matter how “correct” it might be. If this last election has proven anything beyond a doubt, it’s that America is a very fractured and divisive country, with no one willing to compromise on their agendas whatsoever. Everybody’s right and everybody’s wrong. And we no longer have any clue as to what it was that actually made America “great” somewhere back in the murky past. But to blame Boomers any more than any other generation for the slowdown of the progressive agenda is flat out false.......it’s down to good, old fashioned American arrogance....and stupidity.
 
riverman said:
The GOP good old boys are scared shitless of a liberal hispanic New Yorker who's smarter than they are and fearless.....she's their worst nightmare...a confident young woman with ideas that expose greed and male dominated politics in general. Racism and sexism in one target....that's what this young lady represents to a certain segment of the Republican male contingency...I'm glad women and young people of diverse backgrounds are a growing part of govt
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Nicely said. She also doesn't purport to represent working class people, she is working class people. (Talking specifically about Ted Cruz who proclaims his party to be blue collar while his wife is the managing director of Goldman Sachs ffs).
 
Our generation had planted some seeds for civil rights and equality then disco happened and sex, drugs and consumption of entertainment had no competition....just want to mention that it's been refreshing to read OT these days where intelligent conversations are again being cultivated....respect!
 
If anything is responsible for the decline (and eventual death) of American Democracy, it is social media. It is absolutely the worst thing that could have happened to a so called “civilized” society. And I believe that history will prove me right (not that I’ll be around to see it).
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I have found it amusing how the boomers get so much blame for how fucked up America is. Perhaps if we had a cool, All American nickname like “the Greatest Generation” the younger generations would cut us some slack. It’s not like we were exactly handed a sustainable culture by that Greatest Generation. Or one that was even realistic. Yeah, we’ve fucked things up mightily, but I’d argue no more so than every previous generation. Gens X, Y, Z and beyond did not grow up cowering under school desks or in school basements, practicing for the day when the Big One was going to drop. They weren’t steeped in the hysteria that the Communists would storm our shores, kill our fathers and rape and enslave our mothers. Those generations can laugh, but that’s the kind of crap we were raised on. We saw the Berlin Wall go up, along with the resultant tensions. We had Russian nuclear missiles just off the American coast, with nuclear war just a stupid mistake away. If that makes us “hawks” (an exaggeration if there ever was one), then so be it. Yet if we did not exactly invent the anti war culture, we took it to a whole different level. What anyone sees on the streets today is compliments of the Boomers, good, bad or indifferent. And the following generations already have a good start on fucking things up even worse (Antifa anyone?). Welcome to 21st Century America.

This boomer would personally have a president that leans towards the “don’t fuck with us” (and the rest of the free world) side of things rather than a president who appeases dictators and deals from a position of weakness. That said, I personally don’t have any problems with progressives issues. I’m just smart enough (and jaded enough) to know that the progressive agenda isn’t going to go anywhere fast and Boomers have nothing to do with it. Not every member of every younger generation is a progressive. not everyone (unfortunately) believes in any or all of the progressive agenda, no matter how “correct” it might be. If this last election has proven anything beyond a doubt, it’s that America is a very fractured and divisive country, with no one willing to compromise on their agendas whatsoever. Everybody’s right and everybody’s wrong. And we no longer have any clue as to what it was that actually made America “great” somewhere back in the murky past. But to blame Boomers any more than any other generation for the slowdown of the progressive agenda is flat out false.......it’s down to good, old fashioned American arrogance....and stupidity.
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The Democratic Party leaders are very old. Pelosi is 80, Schumer is 70, Biden is 78, Clinton is 73, Feinstein is 122, half of the Senate is over 65, the average House Democrat is nearly two decades older than Republican. How can you progress when the leadership will never retire?

Obama tried to get RBG to retire in 2009 or so but she decided desperately trying not to die for the last decade was preferable. Now she's been replaced with a worst case scenario who will terrorize Americans for the next thirty years. Age is a problem for the Democrats. I don't mean any insult by it.
 
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