Am I missing something? (1 Viewer)

[downunderwonder]

Now Im going into this with the state of mind it is I who is at fault so please dont all jump down my throat, but why on earth is Marcus getting less pt than a 40+ yo journeyman. Yes I know its because he hustles and plays hard. Thats fine. But unless Marcus is given more pt than the pittiful amount midget man is giving him how on earth is he meant to improve?

If last year taught us anything, he is a confidence player. When he lacks confidence, he makes a lot of silly mistakes. Now if its apparent to me, random-australian-guy-sitting-on-a-couch, why haven't the so called "basketball minds" that run our team cottoned on to that. Ditto with Stro. given that his inconsistant mid-range jumper is only slightly crappier than Allens and he can actually defend...

Is firing the coach the answer, or does it run far deeper than that? As ghoti and dumpy have both pointed out on different threads, management and the coaching staff seem to have predetermined ideals for this team and whoever does not that mould, gets bench splinters.

Thoughts?

 

[AGGiE]

Darryl Armstrong is quicker and plays wayyy better defense. Also has a higher BBIQ and doesn't always try to shoot every possession.

 

[Universe]

Marcus Williams cares less about this team than Kidd IMO.

 

[Belarus]

Frank concerned with making playoffs. With Marcus playing big minutes that'd be hard. I'm sure have we traded Kidd and gave up on the season he would have played MWill more. But also, besides this one game after working out with Lucas, Marcus haven't shown absolutely anything.

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 10 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams cares less about this team than Kidd IMO.</div>

well it isn't like the team gives a shit about him.

Maybe once the team gives up delusions about contending this season, they'll start giving him time.

 

[Major Juggs]

And Stro hasn't been playing cause he still needs time to learn the system.

 

[AGGiE]

Can we somehow acquire Kyle Lowry or Javaris Crittenton for Marcus Williams?

 

[Belarus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AGGiE @ Feb 10 2008, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can we somehow acquire Kyle Lowry or Javaris Crittenton for Marcus Williams?</div>
doubt it

 

[downunderwonder]

Why on earth is Frank so concerned with scraping in to the finals to be Bostons doormat? So frustrating!

Williams hasnt shown much because how are you supposed to get some sort of consistancy when you are averaging less that 10 min a game? Sure DA isplaying OK, but next year he'll be gone, and we'll be left with a still inexperianced pg thanks to our hobbit look alike head coach!

 

[soul driver]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 10 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why on earth is Frank so concerned with scraping in to the finals to be Bostons doormat? So frustrating!

Williams hasnt shown much because how are you supposed to get some sort of consistancy when you are averaging less that 10 min a game? Sure DA isplaying OK, but next year he'll be gone, and we'll be left with a still inexperianced pg thanks to our hobbit look alike head coach!</div>
I don't know- if the team plays HARD like they did against Boston last month...and now with Nenad and Swift...
you never know.

 

[Belarus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 10 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why on earth is Frank so concerned with scraping in to the finals to be Bostons doormat? So frustrating!</div>
because he's a coach and that's a coach's job to lead the team into playoffs and with luck to go as far as possible. you think there is a coach in the world that will take last place in the league over last playoff spot?

 

[Dumpy]

I am really starting to think that Marcus' problems start and end with Frank.

We all know he is a micromanager who calls out plays from the sideline instead of just letting the players play.

For some players, this probably helps, or they learn how to tune out the stuff that isn't important. However, everyone is different. When I watch Marcus, it seems like he is just afraid to make a mistake--and part of that could be due to having to listen, focus, and implement oral instructions from the sideline when his strength is improvising.

It seems like Coach Frank's reaction to the Nets problems is to "work harder" and be even more involved. I'd like to see him, one time, just say before the game, "you know what guys, this isn't working. Today I'm just going to shut up and let you play. I'll limit my input to calling timeouts and drawing up subsequent plays on the sideline."

I really wonder what would happen.

Maybe someone should bring this up at the "town meeting" tomorrow night.

 

[downunderwonder]

I know what Ur getting at Belarus... but since we aren't in any shape to be contending this year, should the mantra be "working towards contending?" which, means developing young players.

We dont want to become like the knicks of 99-02 when they were always on the cusp of making the playoffs, but not developing anyone in the process.

 

[downunderwonder]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 10 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am really starting to think that Marcus' problems start and end with Frank.

We all know he is a micromanager who calls out plays from the sideline instead of just letting the players play.

For some players, this probably helps, or they learn how to tune out the stuff that isn't important. However, everyone is different. When I watch Marcus, it seems like he is just afraid to make a mistake--and part of that could be due to having to listen, focus, and implement oral instructions from the sideline when his strength is improvising.

It seems like Coach Frank's reaction to the Nets problems is to "work harder" and be even more involved. I'd like to see him, one time, just say before the game, "you know what guys, this isn't working. Today I'm just going to shut up and let you play. I'll limit my input to calling timeouts and drawing up subsequent plays on the sideline."

I really wonder what would happen.

Maybe someone should bring this up at the "town meeting" tomorrow night.</div>

Now that sir is one fabulous post. You have articulated exactly what I have suspected the whole time.

 

[Dumpy]

Thanks--now go to sleep! Or wake up and have breakfast. Or something.

 

[downunderwonder]

Its 11am here mate... Im fresh outta bed on my day off.

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 10 2008, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am really starting to think that Marcus' problems start and end with Frank.

We all know he is a micromanager who calls out plays from the sideline instead of just letting the players play.

For some players, this probably helps, or they learn how to tune out the stuff that isn't important. However, everyone is different. When I watch Marcus, it seems like he is just afraid to make a mistake--and part of that could be due to having to listen, focus, and implement oral instructions from the sideline when his strength is improvising.

It seems like Coach Frank's reaction to the Nets problems is to "work harder" and be even more involved. I'd like to see him, one time, just say before the game, "you know what guys, this isn't working. Today I'm just going to shut up and let you play. I'll limit my input to calling timeouts and drawing up subsequent plays on the sideline."

I really wonder what would happen.

Maybe someone should bring this up at the "town meeting" tomorrow night.</div>

I agree with start, although probably not end.

It would be interesting to see what happened if Frank just let 'em go. Tonight aside, it certainly couldn't make us any worse...

 

[Netsfan318]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 10 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am really starting to think that Marcus' problems start and end with Frank.

We all know he is a micromanager who calls out plays from the sideline instead of just letting the players play.

For some players, this probably helps, or they learn how to tune out the stuff that isn't important. However, everyone is different. When I watch Marcus, it seems like he is just afraid to make a mistake--and part of that could be due to having to listen, focus, and implement oral instructions from the sideline when his strength is improvising.

It seems like Coach Frank's reaction to the Nets problems is to "work harder" and be even more involved. I'd like to see him, one time, just say before the game, "you know what guys, this isn't working. Today I'm just going to shut up and let you play. I'll limit my input to calling timeouts and drawing up subsequent plays on the sideline."

I really wonder what would happen.

Maybe someone should bring this up at the "town meeting" tomorrow night.</div>


your 100% right on this which makes me think then why is he not encouraging him, it's like he's the scapegoat I mean DA plays better D but lets be honest the PG position isn't what has been putting the Nets in their problems, the SG/PF on the bench is what has been killing them. I think Marcus is getting traded which is sad because I know he's not what everyone has been calling him.

 

[spartannj]

I would like to ask the same question, Am I missing something? Why does Marcus deserve more playing time? I watch probably about 90% of all the Nets games. and I can recall only two where Marcus played really well. He destroyed the Knicks in preseason last year and he rolled up over 20 points against the Suns last year in garbage time. Other than that, he really hasn't shown anything. He put Raptors series last year in jeopardy before Frank had to shut him down. He almost put a brake on the Nets late season run, for example, he lost the game against the Pistons.

 

[downunderwonder]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spartannj @ Feb 10 2008, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would like to ask the same question, Am I missing something? Why does Marcus deserve more playing time? I watch probably about 90% of all the Nets games. and I can recall only two where Marcus played really well. He destroyed the Knicks in preseason last year and he rolled up over 20 points against the Suns last year in garbage time. Other than that, he really hasn't shown anything. He put Raptors series last year in jeopardy before Frank had to shut him down. He almost put a brake on the Nets late season run, for example, he lost the game against the Pistons.</div>

I think when used in short spurts he can really keep the 1st team's offense going while we rest Kidd to get some production out of our woeful second unit. His D is average but not horrible. We really need to just get some more out of this bench, and not the way frank does it which is to sub SWat for Allen when we are up by 5 and then concede 8 unanswered. When will he stop these stupidly predictable substitution patterns...

A good coach acts not reacts.

 

[razel231]

What's frustrating to some of us with regards to MWill is that with the way he gets PT from Frank , the season may very well become a wash as far as game experience and development. He showed flashes last year, but ever since his injury it seems as if has regressed. DA was signed by the team as an third string pg and is already over the hill. He will not be here for much longer and as for the future of the team MWill needs to get more minutes. It seems Frank wants a backup pg who won't screw up the game and is only a stopgap while Kidd gets rest on the bench. MWill is probably our best perimeter shooter off the bench with Nachbar's inconsistencies and should be given a chance with that role just so he may be able to get any time on the floor. Hopefully as with Boone, this is nothing more than a bump in the road and he soon gets some consistent time on the floor.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AGGiE @ Feb 10 2008, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can we somehow acquire Kyle Lowry or Javaris Crittenton for Marcus Williams?</div>

It's possible. Maybe we can nab Navarro. Right now, they have a bunch of point guards: Conley, Lowry, Crittenton, and Navarro. My thoughts are that they don't need all 4 of them, and that possibly, we could trade an expiring contract or two for one of those, and possible another player.

 

[JAMES.SLIMM]

Marcus will fine, he'll get his chance, I'll agree that Frank does a terrible job developing young players but I'm not giving up on Marcus

 

[cpawfan]

Explain how the Marcus of today helps the Nets win now

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Explain how the Marcus of today helps the Nets win now</div>

he steals a laptop from the opposing team with the playbook in it?