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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704500604574485452637584852.html

I guess we're not smart enough to understand when we're being fooled, however. A cost is a cost, no matter how much you try to hide it.

At some point, those on the Left in this country need to have enough respect for the American people to realize that no matter how it's packaged, the American people don't want the government dictating the health care they receive.
 
The link works for me. Here's the text.

The Public Option Comeback: The secret to its budget 'savings'? Medicare price controls.

Sounding taken aback himself, Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus recently declared that the public option is "alive." A better term might be undead: This new government-run health insurance program akin to Medicare for the middle class continues to stagger forward, zombie-like, despite what were thought to be fatal blasts earlier this fall from Senate centrists and the House Blue Dogs—that is, from Mr. Baucus's fellow Democrats.

The public option's renewed momentum is mostly the product of the raw ideological willfulness of the progressive left. Led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, they're not about to let a once-in-a-generation opportunity pass without a fight, and they view the public option as a down payment on single-payer health care. They're right to think so; a public option will quickly blow up the private insurance market.

In particular, Mrs. Pelosi believes she's found a political trump. A so-called "robust" public option will cost the government less than other plans, since it will pay doctors and hospitals fees pegged to Medicare's price controls on thousands of services. The Congressional Budget Office has reportedly found that these below-market payments would result in "savings" of $110 billion, compared to requiring a public option to negotiate rates with providers like a private company would.

Yet as the government pays less, the private sector pays more. Like Medicare today, hospitals will shift some of their losses into higher private insurance premiums. Meanwhile, the public option's premiums will be artificially lower, even before the heavy subsidies that Democrats plan to offer. As private insurance costs increase, private payers will lose market share, intensifying the cost-shift and precipitating an exodus to government from commercial carriers.

Democrats dismiss cost-shifting as a tall tale of the health industry. After all, if providers can increase their revenue by charging private payers more, why haven't they already exhausted this opportunity? Perhaps because, contrary to Washington's fantasy of robber baron doctors, very few hospitals behave like classical profit-maximizing firms. Most are nonprofit institutions with social missions.

The real problem is that government pays so much below costs. A 2006 study in the journal Health Affairs found that for each dollar of cost hospitals incurred, they received $1.22 from private payers and only 95 cents from Medicare. Analysts Allen Dobson and Joan DaVanzo argue that this puts hospitals "in the unenviable position of playing the role of private-sector tax collectors, to maintain their financial solvency."

It's true that cost-shifting isn't dollar for dollar. Providers can absorb some underfunding by cutting services, such as by reducing hospital stays, or investing less in research, teaching and state-of-the-art care. Yet as the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission recently noted, given decades of such Medicare-related losses, "a concern is whether hospitals can constrain costs and still deliver high-quality care." For that reason the Mayo Clinic announced this month that some of its campuses will no longer accept Medicare patients.

"The American people are so smart," Mrs. Pelosi said at a recent press conference, as she explained how stupid she thinks they are. "We are saying that rather than force them to buy health insurance from the insurance industry, let us give them the freedom to do that if they wish or to have a public option. The more you talk mandate, the higher the support for a public option becomes." In other words, one coercive government policy (the individual mandate) is forcing people to think better of another coercive government policy.

But the reality is that no one wants a public option except the political left. Doctors and hospitals hate the idea as much as insurers do—and they're far from natural allies. The media are able to counterfeit public support, such as this week's Washington Post/ABC News poll showing 57% in favor, only by asking rigged questions about "choice" and "competition." Who's opposed to that?

The negotiators crafting the Senate bill, headed by Majority Leader Harry Reid and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, may attempt some backdoor public option. They might allow states to opt in, or to opt out. Or the new entitlement might be "triggered" if certain conditions aren't met. No one should be fooled. For liberals the key is to get the architecture in place this year and expand it over time, much like Henry Waxman and the late Ted Kennedy did with Medicaid in the 1970s and '80s.

At least for now, we still don't see how Democrats get to 60 votes with a public option. But its revival shows that the Democratic Party's left is running this show, and how radical their plans for U.S. health care really are.
 
But the reality is that no one wants a public option except the political left. Doctors and hospitals hate the idea as much as insurers do—and they're far from natural allies. The media are able to counterfeit public support, such as this week's Washington Post/ABC News poll showing 57% in favor, only by asking rigged questions about "choice" and "competition." Who's opposed to that?
I'd say the majority of my peers are for the public option, including people in medicine and insurance. Many moderates and independents are for the public option as well. It's incorrect to say no one wants a public option except the left. I could post a link to a poll that supported this but then there's a whole other thread for that...

Yet as the government pays less, the private sector pays more. Like Medicare today, hospitals will shift some of their losses into higher private insurance premiums. Meanwhile, the public option's premiums will be artificially lower, even before the heavy subsidies that Democrats plan to offer. As private insurance costs increase, private payers will lose market share, intensifying the cost-shift and precipitating an exodus to government from commercial carriers.

Democrats dismiss cost-shifting as a tall tale of the health industry. After all, if providers can increase their revenue by charging private payers more, why haven't they already exhausted this opportunity? Perhaps because, contrary to Washington's fantasy of robber baron doctors, very few hospitals behave like classical profit-maximizing firms. Most are nonprofit institutions with social missions.

The real problem is that government pays so much below costs. A 2006 study in the journal Health Affairs found that for each dollar of cost hospitals incurred, they received $1.22 from private payers and only 95 cents from Medicare. Analysts Allen Dobson and Joan DaVanzo argue that this puts hospitals "in the unenviable position of playing the role of private-sector tax collectors, to maintain their financial solvency."

It's hard to tell whose numbers are real and who's are fake. I've seen reports that the government can provide health care for pennies on on the dollar compared to insurance companies. I've seen numbers that the public option will put us trillions of dollars in debt. Even supposed independent fact checking organizations have conflicting reports. I don't know who's telling the truth anymore.


Also, I dislike Nancy Pelosi. I think she's annoying.
 
Even my right-wing friends are all for the public option. I don't think I know anyone who hasn't lost a loved one due to unaffordable healthcare.

I am baffled by the foot dragging of the radical fringe that opposes it.
 
Even my right-wing friends are all for the public option. I don't think I know anyone who hasn't lost a loved one due to unaffordable healthcare.

I am baffled by the foot dragging of the radical fringe that opposes it.

"Radical fringe," lol.

Pot, meet kettle...
 
Universal health care was part of Obama's Presidential campaign platform from day 1. If a majority of Americans don't want it, than a majority of Americans should have voted for Senator John McCain.
 
Universal health care was part of Obama's Presidential campaign platform from day 1. If a majority of Americans don't want it, than a majority of Americans should have voted for Senator John McCain.
or maybe they voted for obama for different reasons?
 
Even my right-wing friends are all for the public option. I don't think I know anyone who hasn't lost a loved one due to unaffordable healthcare.

I am baffled by the foot dragging of the radical fringe that opposes it.

I've never lost someone due to unaffordable insurance. Then again, every male in my family for 3 generations has been in the military. I have had a grandfather who died under the knife of a VA surgeon, and 3 cousins who are nurses at VA hospitals. Maybe check one of those places out.
 
or maybe they voted for obama for different reasons?

Yeah, I'm obviously not suggesting that is the only reason people voted for him. What I'm saying is it was clearly not a "deal breaker" for people when they were inside the voting booth.
 
Even my right-wing friends are all for the public option. I don't think I know anyone who hasn't lost a loved one due to unaffordable healthcare.

I am baffled by the foot dragging of the radical fringe that opposes it.

HA! To think MARIS would have a right-wing friend after repeatedly calling right-wingers evil, greedy, and every other derogatory name he can think of. You don't think much of your "friends" do you, Maris?
 
I don't think I know anyone who hasn't lost a loved one due to unaffordable healthcare.
Whoa. Wait a minute. Back up the horse, James.

Am I understanding you correctly? You're saying that everyone you know has lost a loved one because of "unaffordable healthcare"?? Is that what you're saying?

That's about the most preposterous thing I've ever heard of, and completely unbelievable. I don't know anyone who has "lost" a loved one due to unaffordable healthcare, and last time I checked, you and I lived in the same country.

You simply cannot say things like this and expect people to take you seriously.
 
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