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MarAzul

MarAzul

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Whoa whoa whoa bud....they were wondering about some heavy shit.

"So all those same sorts of facts cause us to wonder, is there an inappropriate relationship, a connection between this president and our most fearsome enemy, the government of Russia?"

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If you take this wondering and put it with "russia please gimme Hillary's emails" what they really should have done is pulled on Trump's face to see if it is really Putin wearing a Trump mask..Now I'M wondering
 
Slit his own throat for book sales.

What an arrogant and totally clueless dweeb, just like Comey.
 
The SS Trump isn't sinking, it's just taking a cruise to the bottom of the ocean!

barfo
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Now I'M wondering
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I am not.
But I did wonder the day when Comey said Trump was under investigation, as far back as when he was the candidate.
Who the hell authorized and investigation into a Presidential candidate? I don't think that has ever happened before. I figured it had to be Obama, but
I just don't think he is really that dumb. But it appears these buggers at the FBI and Justice sure as hell are! The big nitwits. They got in a circle and drew lots
to see whom would authorize the coup. And off they went. Twenty five years each should be about right.
 
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MarAzul said:
I am not.
But I did wonder the day when Comey said Trump was under investigation, as far back as when he was the candidate.
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I don't think that actually happened. In fact, according to Trump, Comey told him 3 times that he was not the subject of the investigation.

Who the hell authorized and investigation into a Presidential candidate? I don't think that has ever happened before.
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You don't recall anything about an investigation into Hillary?

I figured it had to be Obama, but
I just don't think he is really that dumb. But it appears these buggers at the FBI and Justice sure as hell are! The big of nitwits. They got in a circle and drew lots
to see whom would authorize the coup. And off they went. Twenty five years each should be about right.
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Look up the word coup and get back to us. Actually, given the thread title, you should also look up sedition.

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
I am not.
But I did wonder the day when Comey said Trump was under investigation, as far back as when he was the candidate.
Who the hell authorized and investigation into a Presidential candidate? I don't think that has ever happened before. I figured it had to be Obama, but
I just don't think he is really that dumb. But it appears these buggers at the FBI and Justice sure as hell are! The big of nitwits. They got in a circle and drew lots
to see whom would authorize the coup. And off they went. Twenty five years each should be about right.
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Sorry bubs, but I didn't see where it said he plead guilty to anything. Can you highlight that part so I can see it. :bgrin:
 
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MARIS61 said:
Slit his own throat for book sales.

What an arrogant and totally clueless dweeb, just like Comey.
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Speaking of arrogant and clueless, what about that guy you voted for that declares a state of emergency and then claims he didn't need to do it, but wanted to get it done quicker. WTF kind of emergency is that? Oh, and the caper is, he then heads out to Mar Lago during a state of emergency. :smiley-family:
 
I mean if your going to take something someone said and call them guilty of anything, just look at how many times Trump and seemingly everyone in his cabinet have obstructed justice, lied to congress and other authorities, and just strait up admitting to illegal or very unethical things.
 
Who’s lying McCabe or Rosenstien?
Besides Trump and other Republicans do you realize how many dems’s in high places have lied.
There Are a whole bunch that have lied under oath and the one that’s bothered me for sometime is the IRS putang Lois Lerner.
 
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He certainly comes across to me as being very believable.
Then, what he says has the ring of truth to it.
When Rosenstein allegidly floated the idea of wearing a wire when he met with Trump in an investigation into possibly impeaching the President, that also seemed to be true. Naturally Rosenstein would deny it or he'd be fired right now and it's vitally important that he retain his position within the Justice Department.
 
Hoopguru said:
Who’s lying McCabe or Rosenstien?
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Why do either of them have to be lying? They only disagree about how seriously Rosenstein meant it when he asked about wearing a wire.

Besides Trump and other Republicans do you realize how many dems’s in high places have lied.
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Yes. So what? This isn't a partisan issue. If someone does crimes, they should do the time, no matter what party they belong to.

There Are a whole bunch that have lied under oath and the one that’s bothered me for sometime is the IRS putang Lois Lerner.
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putang? Anyway, I certainly can't say whether justice was done in that case, but here's the conclusion, courtesy of Wikipedia:

The U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI began an investigation into the IRS controversy in May 2013. In October 2015, the DOJ announced it was closing the investigation and would not seek criminal charges. The determination came after an investigation of almost two years, in which the DOJ and FBI interviewed more than 100 witnesses and reviewed more than a million pages of IRS documents.

In a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, Republican of Virginia, announcing the case closure, Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs Peter J. Kadzik wrote that while "our investigation uncovered substantial evidence of mismanagement, poor judgment, and institutional inertia...Not a single IRS employee reported any allegation, concern or suspicion that the handling of tax-exempt applications—or any other IRS function—was motivated by political bias, discriminatory intent, or corruption." Kadzik wrote "We found no evidence that any IRS official acted based on political, discriminatory, corrupt, or other inappropriate motives that would support a criminal prosecution."Kadzik stated that the investigation specifically absolved Lerner of criminal liability, and determined that Lerner was in fact the first official to recognize a problem and try and correct it.
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Note that the investigation here lasted 2 years. This was a much less complicated project than the Mueller investigation - those complaining that Mueller isn't done yet might keep that in mind.

barfo
 
"Lerner was in fact the first official to recognize a problem and try and correct it"

Right! This is obviously why she felt the need to take the 5th when questioned about it.
 
MarAzul said:
"Lerner was in fact the first official to recognize a problem and try and correct it"

Right! This is obviously why she felt the need to take the 5th when questioned about it.
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Probably not. Note they didn't say she'd done nothing wrong - they said there wasn't enough to charge her.

barfo
 
Well, Rosenstein is out in about a month anyway, but he probably doesn't want to be fired the day before he retires like McCabe was.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Well, Rosenstein is out in about a month anyway, but he probably doesn't want to be fired the day before he retires like McCabe was.
barfo
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Probably shouldn't have done so much illegal stuff (like, seriously, you know how hard it is to get fired as a government civilian?), but even the FBI has some limits, I guess:
After an interview review, the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility handed down the recommendation (to fire McCabe immediately) after information on McCabe came from the DOJ’s Inspector General ...
But the federal government does not normally fire high-ranking career officials with 22 years of service except in the face of extraordinary evidence of serious wrongdoing.
“To look at removing a person, potentially, two days before they retire, the factual basis of this has got to be really, really strong for them to do that,” said Michael Rochford, a former head of the FBI’s counterintelligence section
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And as someone who has recently passed 20 years (and "vested", coin a phrase), there's no sympathy there, either in civilian work or government. At Amazon I saw people let go days before they vested (4 years) the majority of their 6-figure signing bonus. I've seen chiefs with 19 years be forced to leave the service for, among other things, getting too fat. I've seen officers have to leave before 20 for medical reasons who don't get a pension. McCabe didn't get a pension because he did something so egregious that he got fired on the spot. If Rosenstein did, too? Why would you, the taxpayer, want to pay someone for doing their job in a manner that gets them fired for cause?
 
BrianFromWA said:
Probably shouldn't have done so much illegal stuff (like, seriously, you know how hard it is to get fired as a government civilian?), but even the FBI has some limits, I guess:

And as someone who has recently passed 20 years (and "vested", coin a phrase), there's no sympathy there, either in civilian work or government. At Amazon I saw people let go days before they vested (4 years) the majority of their 6-figure signing bonus. I've seen chiefs with 19 years be forced to leave the service for, among other things, getting too fat. I've seen officers have to leave before 20 for medical reasons who don't get a pension. McCabe didn't get a pension because he did something so egregious that he got fired on the spot. If Rosenstein did, too? Why would you, the taxpayer, want to pay someone for doing their job in a manner that gets them fired for cause?
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McCabe did not get fired on the spot. He got fired many months later, and only after a public campaign by the president for his dismissal. Which, no matter what you think of McCabe's actions, is more than a bit unusual.

As for Rosenstein, I opined that he probably doesn't want to get fired. Nothing to do with what I want as a taxpayer.

barfo
 
barfo said:
McCabe did not get fired on the spot. He got fired many months later, and only after a public campaign by the president for his dismissal. Which, no matter what you think of McCabe's actions, is more than a bit unusual.
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I'll buy that it was unusual, in that it doesn't normally happen. But the President had little to do with it, since he was tweeting about it for months and being held off by Sessions. As soon as the independent IG report and the FBI's OPR report came back saying he committed unauthorized leaks and "lack of candor", Sessions couldn't protect him anymore.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'll buy that it was unusual, in that it doesn't normally happen. But the President had little to do with it, since he was tweeting about it for months and being held off by Sessions. As soon as the independent IG report and the FBI's OPR report came back saying he committed unauthorized leaks and "lack of candor", Sessions couldn't protect him anymore.
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Or, alternate version - pressure from the president caused either the review to be rushed, or the recommended punishment to be more severe, or both.

I don't think we know for sure which version is true. Obviously we have different opinions about which version is more plausible.

barfo
 
The guys in tac gear should be rounding up the lot of them for the holding pen, pending trial.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'll buy that it was unusual, in that it doesn't normally happen. But the President had little to do with it, since he was tweeting about it for months and being held off by Sessions. As soon as the independent IG report and the FBI's OPR report came back saying he committed unauthorized leaks and "lack of candor", Sessions couldn't protect him anymore.
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Somebody has to watch those that watch us! The higher up they are the bigger they fall. Judgement starts in the house of the Lord!
 
So many people still hanging onto the door....
 
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