Angelina Jolie Undergoes Double-Mastectomy

[Denny Crane]

Because I care about the Portland Trail Blazers. I couldn't give two shits about Oden's life outside of how it affected his game. And his knees are certainly less interesting to me than my own, one of which needs to be replaced.

Jolie's health, looks, body parts, etc., are all a part of her presence on screen. Just as you care about Oden's knee affecting the team's play, people care about her because they like the movies she makes.

 

[maxiep]

Jolie's health, looks, body parts, etc., are all a part of her presence on screen. Just as you care about Oden's knee affecting the team's play, people care about her because they like the movies she makes.

How do her tits affect her acting?

 

[Denny Crane]

How do her tits affect her acting?

She makes R rated movies and exposes her tits on film. I have a wee suspicion that her bare tits increase ticket and DVD sales.

 

[maxiep]

She makes R rated movies and exposes her tits on film. I have a wee suspicion that her bare tits increase ticket and DVD sales.

Again, why do people care? All they would know is she got a tit job. Why is it important to know why? Also, when was the last time she showed them?

I've already more time on this issue than she deserves to get from me. My point is that we care too much about the lives of others. Like Jason Collins being gay. Why should we care about his private life? I suggest we try to find meaning in our own lives, rather than being a society of peeping Toms.

 

[Denny Crane]

Jolie and Collins make their living exactly off a society of "peeping Toms." Without people watching them, they'd have to find some other line of work.

They are entertainers. They tell or are part of stories. Those stories are real life and fictional. It is what it is.

 

[maxiep]

Jolie and Collins make their living exactly off a society of "peeping Toms." Without people watching them, they'd have to find some other line of work.

They are entertainers. They tell or are part of stories. Those stories are real life and fictional. It is what it is.

Whatever enjoyment I ever received from Jason Collins (which IIRC was him getting posterized by our players) had nothing to do where he was sticking his dick. And whatever pleasure I received from watching a film starring Angelina Jolie didn't have anything to do with knowing that she carried a certain gene that predisposes her to cancer.

I like sports because I enjoy competition. I like film because I enjoy the art of storytelling and communicating that story through acting. I don't care about their lives outside of those arenas. Come to think about it, I don't care about their lives at all. Why do you care about their lives outside of basketball and acting? Why do they matter more than other gay people or those with that predisposition to cancer?

 

[Denny Crane]

Collins' story is a real life drama. He came out at personal risk and in a sport (sports world) where athletes do not come out. Though nobody complained about Wilt claiming to have slept with 10,000 women, which was an interesting story in itself.

 

[maxiep]

Collins' story is a real life drama. He came out at personal risk and in a sport (sports world) where athletes do not come out. Though nobody complained about Wilt claiming to have slept with 10,000 women, which was an interesting story in itself.

So, people you know aren't dramatic enough for you? You don't know anyone who has ever come out of the closet?

And I don't care about Wilt for the same reason I don't care about Jason Collins or Angelina Jolie.

 

[Denny Crane]

So, people you know aren't dramatic enough for you? You don't know anyone who has ever come out of the closet?

And I don't care about Wilt for the same reason I don't care about Jason Collins or Angelina Jolie.

It's a really small circle of people who know the people I know.

Angelina Jolie can get published in the NY Times. The people I know, can't. I know several people who've come out, but ESPN didn't cover it.

You make me state the obvious for some reason.

 

[maxiep]

It's a really small circle of people who know the people I know.

Angelina Jolie can get published in the NY Times. The people I know, can't. I know several people who've come out, but ESPN didn't cover it.

You make me state the obvious for some reason.

Just because it's covered doesn't mean you have to care. Why do you care? Why do you make me ask the obvious question over and over?

 

[Further]

She's doing something thousands of women do every year. I don't see why it's noteworthy other than the fact she's famous and attractive.

It's noteworthy because she makes 10+ million per movie as a sex symbol. And she is choosing health over remaining a sex symbol. On an individual level, you are correct that she is not different from the rest of us, except that millions of people do follow her life like a soap opera.

Was there anything special about when Magic told us he had AIDS? His life is no more valuable than my uncle Henery's, except that he was visible to the world. Very few people cared about my uncle, but Magic was so important to so many people that it changed the entire understanding of the virus. Everyone read about Magic, learned about who is at risk, and many many millions of dollars were raised for research because of Magic. I certainly loved my uncle more, but simply being in the public eye allows education and progress within the public to increase dramatically.

Jolie is not making a special or unique decision but because of her fame her decisions are very impactful on society.

 

[porkchopexpress]

It's noteworthy because she makes 10+ million per movie as a sex symbol. And she is choosing health over remaining a sex symbol. On an individual level, you are correct that she is not different from the rest of us, except that millions of people do follow her life like a soap opera.

Was there anything special about when Magic told us he had AIDS? His life is no more valuable than my uncle Henery's, except that he was visible to the world. Very few people cared about my uncle, but Magic was so important to so many people that it changed the entire understanding of the virus. Everyone read about Magic, learned about who is at risk, and many many millions of dollars were raised for research because of Magic. I certainly loved my uncle more, but simply being in the public eye allows education and progress within the public to increase dramatically.

Jolie is not making a special or unique decision but because of her fame her decisions are very impactful on society.

Great example with Magic. Prior to that, HIV/AIDS was a gay man's issue, or at least, that was the perception. It was also seen as an immediate death sentence. I'm sure when he announced he was HIV positive in 1991, no one thought he'd be alive 22 years later.

 

[Further]

Great example with Magic. Prior to that, HIV/AIDS was a gay man's issue, or at least, that was the perception. It was also seen as an immediate death sentence. I'm sure when he announced he was HIV positive in 1991, no one thought he'd be alive 22 years later.

Nobody thought he would be alive 22 months later.

 

[Denny Crane]

Nobody thought he would be alive 22 months later.

He almost certainly got HIV from another man, too.

 

[Further]

He almost certainly got HIV from another man, too.

Seems more likely than not, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "almost certainly". It's much less likely to be transmitted female to male, but it does happen, and he would have had access to thousands of women to screw which would up the odds. Then there is always needle sharing, which could have been recreational drugs or sharing steroid needles with someone.

 

[BrianFromWA]

While I agree that her celebrity status adds a "story" element to this (I still don't know who Susan Komen is), I think the "sex symbol" aspect is being slightly overplayed.

First, she's almost 38, which isn't a death knell for "sex symbol" status but I see her doing more roles like Salt and less like Original Sin (or even Mr. and Mrs. Smith). Second, afaik she's getting them reconstructed, which shouldn't affect the aesthetics in future movies.

 

[Denny Crane]

Seems more likely than not, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "almost certainly". It's much less likely to be transmitted female to male, but it does happen, and he would have had access to thousands of women to screw which would up the odds. Then there is always needle sharing, which could have been recreational drugs or sharing steroid needles with someone.

According to the NY Times, the odds of getting HIV from unprotected heterosexual intercourse with an infected partner is 1:500 if no condom is used, or 1:5Billion if a condom is used. I think the odds he got it from a woman are near zero.

Shared needle? Seriously? I think the chances he shared a needle with anyone is zero. I can't imagine he was a drug user.

Blood transfusion? Possible. I don't remember him needing surgery or another time he might have needed one.

What's left?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So, people you know aren't dramatic enough for you? You don't know anyone who has ever come out of the closet?

And I don't care about Wilt for the same reason I don't care about Jason Collins or Angelina Jolie.

You're serious right now? Do I use up all my cares caring about Collins coming out? Finding stories about famous people interesting doesn't take away from how much I care about my life or the people in it at all.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Whatever enjoyment I ever received from Jason Collins (which IIRC was him getting posterized by our players) had nothing to do where he was sticking his dick. And whatever pleasure I received from watching a film starring Angelina Jolie didn't have anything to do with knowing that she carried a certain gene that predisposes her to cancer.

I like sports because I enjoy competition. I like film because I enjoy the art of storytelling and communicating that story through acting. I don't care about their lives outside of those arenas. Come to think about it, I don't care about their lives at all. Why do you care about their lives outside of basketball and acting? Why do they matter more than other gay people or those with that predisposition to cancer?

You don't care one tiny bit about anyone who you don't know personally, we get it.

Other people do care about fellow humans.

 

[maxiep]

It's noteworthy because she makes 10+ million per movie as a sex symbol. And she is choosing health over remaining a sex symbol. On an individual level, you are correct that she is not different from the rest of us, except that millions of people do follow her life like a soap opera.

Was there anything special about when Magic told us he had AIDS? His life is no more valuable than my uncle Henery's, except that he was visible to the world. Very few people cared about my uncle, but Magic was so important to so many people that it changed the entire understanding of the virus. Everyone read about Magic, learned about who is at risk, and many many millions of dollars were raised for research because of Magic. I certainly loved my uncle more, but simply being in the public eye allows education and progress within the public to increase dramatically.

Jolie is not making a special or unique decision but because of her fame her decisions are very impactful on society.

It's we who decide what's important. We have the power to make her ordinary. I choose to exercise that power. I don't understand why people let themselves think celebrities are special.

 

[Further]

It's we who decide what's important. We have the power to make her ordinary. I choose to exercise that power. I don't understand why people let themselves think celebrities are special.

I think to the individual, most people recognize that celebrity is just a status and that the person is nothing special, but societally the person becomes more important. It's mostly just a matter of how ubiquitous a person is. The more Joe Schmo sees celeb X, the more they end up listening and even putting value on what that person says. For the most part, I am not taken in by what Celeb X is saying, but occasionally I do find something intriguing about a Celeb. For me, I always am interested to hear what Penn Jillette says even though I have never met him. It bothers me that anyone cares about the kardashians or what they think, but that's our society. It does not bother me that there is a celebrity status, it does bother me who the American public elevates to that celeb status.