ANOTHER feat we'll never see again

[Rick2583]

300 or more strikeouts have been reached 33 times by 26 different players. Randy Johnson & Nolan Ryan with record of 6 times.

The last time it was accomplished was by Randy Johnson (334) in 2002

I should have had a ? after the heading of this thread. Darvish had 277 last season. But it is a rarity.

 

[totus44]

Curtis Granderson is happy to contribute to a lefty's cause, lol!

 

[Rick2583]

Unless someone like Lincecum can regain his old form I can only see Darvich getting close to it.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Just as sad, are the days of Complete Game Pitchers gone. Seems like it, with but a few hurlers able to go the distance. I indeed miss complete game pitchers, who struck out 300+ batters, the two go hand in hand.

Of course Torre made his mark on the game, creating the 6 inning starting pitcher format. it worked well for Joe & the Yanks, tho' I will always miss the complete gamer. That is how we were taught when we were kids, You pitch your expected to go the complete distance, or their is no one to replace you on the mound, et al.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

See ya'll tomorrow...!!!

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Just as sad, are the days of Complete Game Pitchers gone. Seems like it, with but a few hurlers able to go the distance. I indeed miss complete game pitchers, who struck out 300+ batters, the two go hand in hand.

Of course Torre made his mark on the game, creating the 6 inning starting pitcher format. it worked well for Joe & the Yanks, tho' I will always miss the complete gamer. That is how we were taught when we were kids, You pitch your expected to go the complete distance, or their is no one to replace you on the mound, et al.

Tony LaRussa is to blame, that and 5 man pitching rotations

 

[Rick2583]

Tony LaRussa is to blame, that and 5 man pitching rotations

It really is amazing how pitchers today are so babied. I understand the need to handle with care because of the large contracts but seriously, They're pitching in less games per year, less innings per game & less inning per year & getting paid a shit load more money.

Great example, look how they refer to any pitcher that throws 200 innings in a year, they're referred to as WORK-HORSES. Growing up pitchers AVERAGED over 250 inning per year when they appeared in 25 games or more. And it was not unheard of to see pitchers throw near or better then 300 innings. Like I said......AMAZING!

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

the problem is that kids are learning curveballs at way to young of age and not throwing enough to build up their arm and LEG strenght

 

[Hammerojustice]

It really is amazing how pitchers today are so babied. I understand the need to handle with care because of the large contracts but seriously, They're pitching in less games per year, less innings per game & less inning per year & getting paid a shit load more money.

Great example, look how they refer to any pitcher that throws 200 innings in a year, they're referred to as WORK-HORSES. Growing up pitchers AVERAGED over 250 inning per year when they appeared in 25 games or more. And it was not unheard of to see pitchers throw near or better then 300 innings. Like I said......AMAZING!

Was that the dawn of baseball?

 

[Rick2583]

Was that the dawn of baseball?

I'm talking 60s, 70s hell even into the 80s. Even Nolan Ryan thinks pitchers are pampered to much today. I mean who made the stupid judgement call that after 100 pitches your f'king arm is going to fall off? Its a joke.

 

[Hammerojustice]

I'm talking 60s, 70s hell even into the 80s. Even Nolan Ryan thinks pitchers are pampered to much today. I mean who made the stupid judgement call that after 100 pitches your f'king arm is going to fall off? Its a joke.

I agree with you... I just think it's funny...

 

[Mattingly23NY]

As a ex Little League, Pony, American Legion, Coach, I totally agree with your take on kids not learning the proper fundamentals. That is: No curveballs, proper wind up form (fundamentals) to strengthen legs, arms & backs). Form is crucial, to not wrap the ball, extend the arm behind, open up the shoulders to a degree, then the hamstrings & legs maximize the speed of a pitch, without blowing a young arm out. Curveballs are out of the question. I went to school with Jim Slaton, ex Brewers, Tigers pitcher. I worked with Gary Peter's Brother, (1963 AL ROY, 1964 AL Picher of the year). Both emphasized not throwing a curveball, like Jim threw his 1st as a Senior in High School. Peters relied on his slider when he joined the Minor Lg. White Sox.

A great pitcher often looks like a stork forming a tee, when he delivers the ball, downsizing the distance between the ball coming out of the hand to the plate. Nothing like Randy Johnson eliminating 12 feet of distance between his nasty pitches at 100 mph.
Kids need to first learn control, followed by pinpoint accuracy to hit the in-out, up-down locations. Off Speed pitches are a trump 3rd strike out. (if thrown right). Merely moving the ball around, will net most outs. Curveballs only wreck elbows at young ages, so do sliders, but boy are they fun to throw when one grows older. A good slider has eyes in it, and ducks when a hitter swings!

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

As a ex Little League, Pony, American Legion, Coach, I totally agree with your take on kids not learning the proper fundamentals. That is: No curveballs, proper wind up form (fundamentals) to strengthen legs, arms & backs). Form is crucial, to not wrap the ball, extend the arm behind, open up the shoulders to a degree, then the hamstrings & legs maximize the speed of a pitch, without blowing a young arm out. Curveballs are out of the question. I went to school with Jim Slaton, ex Brewers, Tigers pitcher. I worked with Gary Peter's Brother, (1963 AL ROY, 1964 AL Picher of the year). Both emphasized not throwing a curveball, like Jim threw his 1st as a Senior in High School. Peters relied on his slider when he joined the Minor Lg. White Sox.

A great pitcher often looks like a stork forming a tee, when he delivers the ball, downsizing the distance between the ball coming out of the hand to the plate. Nothing like Randy Johnson eliminating 12 feet of distance between his nasty pitches at 100 mph.
Kids need to first learn control, followed by pinpoint accuracy to hit the in-out, up-down locations. Off Speed pitches are a trump 3rd strike out. (if thrown right). Merely moving the ball around, will net most outs. Curveballs only wreck elbows at young ages, so do sliders, but boy are they fun to throw when one grows older. A good slider has eyes in it, and ducks when a hitter swings!

care to come to long island as a guest coach for the upcoming little league season lol

 

[Mattingly23NY]

No problem, I will parachute in, all I need are the GPS 3 point coordinates......look for a low flying Cessna Citation with Yankee Logo's, and a dummy bailing out at 2,000 feet.

 

[cmeese47]

As a ex Little League, Pony, American Legion, Coach, I totally agree with your take on kids not learning the proper fundamentals. That is: No curveballs, proper wind up form (fundamentals) to strengthen legs, arms & backs). Form is crucial, to not wrap the ball, extend the arm behind, open up the shoulders to a degree, then the hamstrings & legs maximize the speed of a pitch, without blowing a young arm out. Curveballs are out of the question. I went to school with Jim Slaton, ex Brewers, Tigers pitcher. I worked with Gary Peter's Brother, (1963 AL ROY, 1964 AL Picher of the year). Both emphasized not throwing a curveball, like Jim threw his 1st as a Senior in High School. Peters relied on his slider when he joined the Minor Lg. White Sox.

A great pitcher often looks like a stork forming a tee, when he delivers the ball, downsizing the distance between the ball coming out of the hand to the plate. Nothing like Randy Johnson eliminating 12 feet of distance between his nasty pitches at 100 mph.
Kids need to first learn control, followed by pinpoint accuracy to hit the in-out, up-down locations. Off Speed pitches are a trump 3rd strike out. (if thrown right). Merely moving the ball around, will net most outs. Curveballs only wreck elbows at young ages, so do sliders, but boy are they fun to throw when one grows older. A good slider has eyes in it, and ducks when a hitter swings!

Teach the kids a cutter and a change up and bam half the arm problems are fixed, also make stretching and warm ups more important

 

[Rick2583]

Teach the kids a cutter and a change up and bam half the arm problems are fixed, also make stretching and warm ups more important

Good point, even throw in the knuckler which extended the careers of many players.

 

[yankeesince59]

...I don't think little leaguers can create enough velocity to make a cutter much different than their regular 60 mph fastball...plus the distance to home plate is so much shorter there would not be much "late break" if any.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...I don't think little leaguers can create enough velocity to make a cutter much different than their regular 60 mph fastball...plus the distance to home plate is so much shorter there would not be much "late break" if any.

Agreed, few kids can throw hard enough to cut a fastball, velocity has to be at its premium speed. As does a good slider, but that will wreck a kids elbow.

The knuckle ball changeup is one mean nasty out pitch. Kids with such small hands cannot grip it well, especially with the fingertips, thus they can hold it firm with only the knuckles, and it floats with no spin. Bouton was not fully accurate, as most MLB knucklers aren't. That is, when it comes to kids, or Little League, a kid has to hold the ball with their knuckles, and like I said, it floats, and infuriates batters, after seeing smoke, to see this hanger on pitch, which is so slow, they try to take a 2nd swing on a knuckle ball, but can't come back around in time to hit it either swing. (I'm repeating myself, and again, it is one sure out pitch, as no one expects such a pitch at youth levels).

 

[blgridesagain]

Just as sad, are the days of Complete Game Pitchers gone. Seems like it, with but a few hurlers able to go the distance. I indeed miss complete game pitchers, who struck out 300+ batters, the two go hand in hand.

Of course Torre made his mark on the game, creating the 6 inning starting pitcher format. it worked well for Joe & the Yanks, tho' I will always miss the complete gamer. That is how we were taught when we were kids, You pitch your expected to go the complete distance, or their is no one to replace you on the mound, et al.

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It worked well for Torre only because those championship Yankee teams had something close to the perfect bullpen.
Stanton and his great curveball to get leftys, Nelson and his great sweeping breaking ball to get rightys, Mendoza as the classic long man with his excellent sinking fastball and Rivera.
Toss in Graham Loyd and a couple of others here or there and you SHOULD be able to turn games into 6 or 7 inning affairs.
In '96 he had Rivera as the set-up man pitching multiple innings with Wetteland closing.

Those teams were built on great pitching from top to bottom and tough hitters who didn't "give away" at bats.