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Denny Crane

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Referring to a hyped non story (“Trump paid $0 in taxes, I have his tax return showing he paid tens of $millions”)

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/26/facebook-russia-trump-sanders-stein-243172

The ads show a complicated effort that didn’t necessarily hew to promoting Trump and bashing Clinton. Instead, they show a desire to create divisions while sometimes praising Trump, Sanders and Stein. A number of the ads seemed to question Clinton’s authenticity and tout some of the liberal criticisms of her candidacy.

There is no indication Stein, Sanders or Trump was aware of the advertisements, which were described to POLITICO by people with knowledge of them.

Facebook declined to comment on the specifics of the advertisements but noted a previous statement: “The vast majority of ads run by these accounts didn’t specifically reference the U.S. presidential election or voting for a particular candidate. Rather, the ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.”
 
The CNN talking points have been that these ads were so strategically placed and targeted that they had to have had help from the Trump campaign.

Nothing burger.

Fake news. Literally.

It’s not even that newsworthy. $100K worth of ads isn’t a big ad buy. 3 days’ worth if you’re trying to get noticed.

It’s also not newsworthy because WE broadcast propaganda via VOA and through the ad council and so on. It’s nothing new.
 
First reaction is that this is just such a reach, that no one would believe it...then the current atmosphere in politics comes too mind and I realize that there does not have to be truth or reason for some to get lathered up.
 
Denny Crane said:
The ads show a complicated effort that didn’t necessarily hew to promoting Trump and bashing Clinton. Instead, they show a desire to create divisions while sometimes praising Trump, Sanders and Stein. A number of the ads seemed to question Clinton’s authenticity and tout some of the liberal criticisms of her candidacy.
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Those all work, if the goal is to elect Trump. Discouraging Clinton voters, encouraging Trump voters, peeling off Sanders and Stein voters - all of those help.

The 'complicated effort' part is actually important.

Facebook declined to comment on the specifics of the advertisements but noted a previous statement: “The vast majority of ads run by these accounts didn’t specifically reference the U.S. presidential election or voting for a particular candidate. Rather, the ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.”
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Exactly. It's like they understood American politics very well. Now, maybe that got that understanding by surfing the web. It's entirely possible. Or possibly Americans helped them.

But whatever the truth turns out to be, I'm confident that you'll declare it a nothingburger. That's the one constant.

barfo
 
I could change the title to another barfo moment.

Nothing burger.

Not even a hint of impropriety.
 
Denny Crane said:
I could change the title to another barfo moment.

Nothing burger.

Not even a hint of impropriety.
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And Trump won't benefit at all from his tax proposal. And the easter bunny brings gifts to all the good little boys and girls when they lose a tooth.

barfo
 
barfo said:
And Trump won't benefit at all from his tax proposal. And the easter bunny brings gifts to all the good little boys and girls when they lose a tooth.

barfo
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You haven’t read the proposal.

It does eliminate the AMT, which is 25%, but it also eliminates most deductions, so he’s going to pay the top tax rate of at least 25%.

14M not-so-rich would be removed from the tax roll altogether.

The biggest possibility for him would be the death tax.

He’s going to get his primary and secondary home mortgage deductions. Whoopie!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/tax-plan-impact-mystery-middle-class-not-trump-n805331

It appears to get rid of most deductions, explicitly keeping only those on mortgage interest and charitable donations, while raising the standard deduction most filers take to $12,000 for single filers (up from $6,350) and $24,000 for married couples (up from $12,700).
 
Trump won’t be able to write off property taxes and likely depreciation.

The proposal calls for an unspecified higher tax bracket to assure the tax burden isn’t shifted from the rich.

I’m not sure if I like it or not, but let’s try to figure it out without your talking points.

@JFizzleRaider might be able to provide more clarity.

It really looks to me like he’s going to pay more taxes, yearly.
 
Denny Crane said:
I’m not sure if I like it or not, but let’s try to figure it out without your talking points.
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What talking points would those be?

It really looks to me like he’s going to pay more taxes, yearly.
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You really do believe in the easter bunny, don't you?

barfo
 
barfo said:
What talking points would those be?



You really do believe in the easter bunny, don't you?

barfo
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I don’t believe in much you write. That’s for sure.
 
So, the media has been peddling this narrative about Facebook ads that’s turned out to be a massive embarrassment for the gate keepers of the (small t) truth.

Trump’s tax plan talk is a distraction from this most recent egg on the media’s collective faces.

There’s what they say, and there’s the (big t) Truth. Rarely do the two meet.

You’d think you’d wise up and not trust these liars, about the tax plan or anything else.

Fool me once... fool me twice and I’m barfo.
 
Why do you care what Trump pays in taxes?
Is this really the question?
 
MarAzul said:
Why do you care what Trump pays in taxes?
Is this really the question?
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What is the sound of One Hand Clapton?

When will a Loser ever win?

barfo
 
And another Maddow moment. It's sad to see the depths to which the 4th estate has fallen.

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28...ry-falls-apart-is-skepticism-permissible-yet/

Yet Another Major Russia Story Falls Apart. Is Skepticism Permissible Yet?



So what was wrong with this story? Just one small thing: it was false. The story began to fall apart yesterday when Associated Press reported that Wisconsin – one of the states included in the original report that, for obvious reasons, caused the most excitement – did not, in fact, have its election systems targeted by Russian hackers:




The spokesman for Homeland Security then tried to walk back that reversal, insisting that there was still evidence that some computer networks had been targeted, but could not say that they had anything to do with elections or voting. And, as AP noted: “Wisconsin’s chief elections administrator, Michael Haas, had repeatedly said that Homeland Security assured the state it had not been targeted.”

Then the story collapsed completely last night. The Secretary of State for another one of the named states, California, issued a scathing statement repudiating the claimed report:


Sometimes stories end up debunked. There’s nothing particularly shocking about that. If this were an isolated incident, one could chalk it up to basic human error that has no broader meaning.
 
But this is no isolated incident. Quite the contrary: this has happened over and over and over again. Inflammatory claims about Russia get mindlessly hyped by media outlets, almost always based on nothing more than evidence-free claims from government officials, only to collapse under the slightest scrutiny, because they are entirely lacking in evidence.

The examples of such debacles when it comes to claims about Russia are too numerous to comprehensively chronicle. I wrote about this phenomenon many times and listed many of the examples, the last time in June when 3 CNN journalists “resigned” over a completely false story linking Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci to investigations into a Russian investment fund which the network was forced to retract:

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NONE OF THIS means that every Russia claim is false, nor does it disprove the accusation that Putin ordered the hacking of the DNC and John Podesta’s email inboxes (a claim for which, just by the way, still no evidence has been presented by the U.S. government). Perhaps there were some states that were targeted, even though the key claims of this story, that attracted the most attention, have now been repudiated.

But what it does demonstrate is that an incredibly reckless, anything-goes climate prevails when it comes to claims about Russia. Media outlets will publish literally any official assertion as Truth without the slightest regard for evidentiary standards.

Seeing Putin lurking behind and masterminding every western problem is now religious dogma – it explains otherwise-confounding developments, provides certainty to a complex world, and alleviates numerous factions of responsibility – so media outlets and their journalists are lavishly rewarded any time they publish accusatory stories about Russia (especially ones involving the U.S. election), even if they end up being debunked.
 
More on topic.

$100K worth of ads over 2 years. Not in the last month of the campaign when they might have appealed to voters.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/28/america-is-obsessed-with-identity-politics-so-russia-exploited-it/

Russia used Facebook ads in 2016 to both encourage and inflame identity politics in America as part of its cyber-operation against the U.S., according to new reports.

Previous media coverage on Russian influence operations within the United States has overwhelmingly focused on reported attempts to stir up America’s political right-wing, but new reporting indicates that Russia also sought to promote the identity-focused politics that currently dominates America’s political Left.

Russian accounts targeted Baltimore and Ferguson — both hubs of racial activism — with pro-Black Lives Matter messaging, CNN reported this week. The Washington Post reported that the Russian ads promoted other “African American rights groups” in addition to Black Lives Matter.

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Facebook chief security officer Alex Stamos said in a statement earlier this month that Facebook’s investigation into Russian efforts “found approximately $100,000 in ad spending from June of 2015 to May of 2017 — associated with roughly 3,000 ads — that was connected to about 470 inauthentic accounts and Pages in violation of our policies.”

The “vast majority” of the 3,000 Russian ads “didn’t specifically reference the U.S. presidential election, voting or a particular candidate,” Stamos said.

He added that “the ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.
 
Just one question. Denny, did you actually watch the show?
 
crandc said:
Just one question. Denny, did you actually watch the show?
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I've seen the Maddow show too many times to count. You won't like my assessment of the quality of it. Production quality is fine, the content is more than questionable.

These are two examples of how awful she is. They're just the most obvious and recent ones.

I remember watching half an hour of her ranting about a tiny leak in an oil pipe near a town of 150 people. OMG! End of the world!
 
CNN currently having another Baghdad Bob moment.

Whining about people in Puerto Rico starving and not getting water. Meanwhile, they show Getty Images pictures of people getting water and food handed to them from trucks. Also ranting about how awful the situation is there, while video in the background shows downtown streets with traffic lights working, normal looking traffic pattern, and people lazily walking down the street looking in the windows of the stores. Live footage, not some stock video.

They got the head of the power company on the phone and he said they have 4000 workers and another 1000 coming, but it's rough terrain due to mountains and jungle on much of the island. The anchor blathered about 20K workers who came to Florida right away, but the guy from the power company didn't say what the anchor wanted. He said that Florida is a much bigger state, that you can't just drive to Puerto Rico to help out, and the terrain.

:lol:
 
MARIS61 said:
So they're claiming Trump pays a billion dollars in taxes, and will pay none under the new plan? :dunno:
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No. You could read the article, I'll bet it explains it.

barfo
 
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