Another shot from Simmons

[Fez Hammersticks]

But do you agree with him?

LaMarcus Aldridge's $65 million extension was Reason No. 214 why the owners need to be saved from themselves

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[Ed O]

I don't read Simmons, but the Blazers were bidding against themselves and gave Aldridge too much money. I thought so at the time and still do, but... what's done is done.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

meh, who cares, he'll be fine. better than losing him.

 

[BBert]

Yes. It's also why the ticket-paying public needs to be saved from the owners and the players.

 

[Reep]

Yes. I like LMA, but this was paying on potential, not reality. As long as players with potential have leverage (to leave for other teams willing to pay for potential), they will be paid up to the max, and often more than they are worth (compared to true max players).

I don't think signing LMA for that amount was a bad idea given the current CBA, but that is why it needs to be changed. Owners have to push the limits to remain competitive. The only solution is to lower the limits.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Was the LMA contract a mistake? Yes.

Do the owners need saving from themselves? No. What they need, is a tad more social Darwinism.

 

[hasoos]

You know when Rashard Lewis was signed to a huge contract in Orlando, pretty much everybody thought it was way too much. After Orlando went to the finals, not so much. Basically I view it the same way here. If Portland starts winning and competing at the highest level, people really won't give a shit about it. But if Portland fails and he is under peforming, I expect a lot of folks to bitch about it.

 

[BrianFromWA]

When you talked about the shot, I thought you were going to bring up the crack about the two unnamed fan bases that continually overhype their players. I thought that was us and Toronto, tbh, but it seems like he likes TOR.

 

[OddEnormous]

You know when Rashard Lewis was signed to a huge contract in Orlando, pretty much everybody thought it was way too much. After Orlando went to the finals, not so much. Basically I view it the same way here. If Portland starts winning and competing at the highest level, people really won't give a shit about it. But if Portland fails and he is under peforming, I expect a lot of folks to bitch about it.

Excellent post. Have some green stuff.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Good lord, Simmons loves to hate on the Blazers. Of all the truly horrid contracts signed since the last CBA was negotiated. Aldridge's contract probably isn't even in the top 100 worst. The Knicks alone at one time had an entire roster full of bad contracts.

BNM

 

[hasoos]

Good lord, Simmons loves to hate on the Blazers. Of all the truly horrid contracts signed since the last CBA was negotiated. Aldridge's contract probably isn't even in the top 100 worst. The Knicks alone at one time had an entire roster full of bad contracts.

BNM

And they are still reeling from it. Two Words: Allen Houston.

 

[Ed O]

Good lord, Simmons loves to hate on the Blazers. Of all the truly horrid contracts signed since the last CBA was negotiated. Aldridge's contract probably isn't even in the top 100 worst. The Knicks alone at one time had an entire roster full of bad contracts.

Most of those contracts, though, don't extend past the length of the current CBA. I think it's premature to call it a disastrous contract, though...

Ed O.

 

[drexlersdad]

simmons is a clipper fan.

 

[drexlersdad]

this is stupid, hes averaging over 17/8, there are lots of players making more than him that are older, declining, and already less productive.

why hate on ourselves here?

 

[drexlersdad]

bynum, 15/8, injured again, MAX CONTRACT. fucking broy money. why doesnt simmons hate on this?

 

[DeanMoriarty]

Simmons was an abused child.

He feeds off the Blazer fan base. Don't give him any attention and he'll become irrelevant.

 

[Boob-No-More]

And they are still reeling from it. Two Words: Allen Houston.

Stephon Marbury, Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis, Eddy Curry, Jared Jefferies, etc.

Speaking of Allan Houston... During the 2006-07 season, the Knicks paid almost $100 million in salary and luxury tax payments for players who weren't even on their active roster for a single game:

Allan Houston - $20,718,750
Jalen Rose - $16,901,500
Maurice Taylor - $9,750,000
Shandon Anderson - $8,500,000
Jerome Williams - $6,425,000

Add in the luxury tax payments at that comes to over $97 million.

Oddly, Isiah gave out very few of those horrendous contracts, but he sure seemed to go out of his way to collect them.

BNM

 

[Ed O]

bynum, 15/8, injured again, MAX CONTRACT. fucking broy money. why doesnt simmons hate on this?

Bynum is a 22 year-old center who's putting up a PER of 20. His contract is huge, but there are only two more guaranteed years (of $28.6m) past this one on it, and I don't think many people think it was a mistake to give it to him.

Ed O.

 

[hasoos]

Bynum is a 22 year-old center who's putting up a PER of 20. His contract is huge, but there are only two more guaranteed years (of $28.6m) past this one on it, and I don't think many people think it was a mistake to give it to him.

Ed O.

Well considering they won a title, I guess they are doing something right. They can look at making changes when they are no longer winning titles.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Most of those contracts, though, don't extend past the length of the current CBA. I think it's premature to call it a disastrous contract, though...

Ed O.

There are plenty of players (see Turkoglu, Hedo) on worse contracts that will extend beyond the current CBA (not 100 of them, but several). They are usually older players who were given big contracts based on past performance who have rapidly declined.

Aldridge is just 24 and will be only 29 when his current contract expires. Barring serious injury (knock wood), he should be in his prime and very productive for the entire length of this contract. In hindsight, he may not be a bargain, but I hardly think his contract should be used as an example of why the owners need protection from themselves (see again, Turkoglu, Hedo).

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Simmons was an abused child.

He feeds off the Blazer fan base. Don't give him any attention and he'll become irrelevant.

He's always had an inferiority complex because he's never been able to live up to the legacy of his more successful, more famous, better looking twin brother:

BNM

 

[Ed O]

There are plenty of players (see Turkoglu, Hedo) on worse contracts that will extend beyond the current CBA (not 100 of them, but several). They are usually older players who were given big contracts based on past performance who have rapidly declined.

Aldridge is just 24 and will be only 29 when his current contract expires. Barring serious injury (knock wood), he should be in his prime and very productive for the entire length of this contract. In hindsight, he may not be a bargain, but I hardly think his contract should be used as an example of why the owners need protection from themselves (see again, Turkoglu, Hedo).

Fair enough.

Hedo's contract sure does suck, huh? I don't think there would be many happy campers about him if he were putting up a 13.5 PER here in Portland...

*shiver*

Ed O.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Fair enough.

Hedo's contract sure does suck, huh? I don't think there would be many happy campers about him if he were putting up a 13.5 PER here in Portland...

*shiver*

Ed O.

Makes you wonder why Simmons calls out Aldridge and the Blazers when a much more glaring example exists in the same division as his beloved Celtics.

BNM

 

[Ed O]

Makes you wonder why Simmons calls out Aldridge and the Blazers when a much more glaring example exists in the same division as his beloved Celtics.

It doesn't make me wonder. He's a moron... I don't try to figure out what morons are thinking.



Ed O.

 

[drexlersdad]

Bynum is a 22 year-old center who's putting up a PER of 20. His contract is huge, but there are only two more guaranteed years (of $28.6m) past this one on it, and I don't think many people think it was a mistake to give it to him.

Ed O.

so your answer is because he has a 20 per and is a center? i think it was a huge mistake. they could have let him play out the season(in which he was injured again btw) and matched any offer for him. he played 50 games last year and stunk in the playoffs to the tune of a 11 PER. bynum is overpaid, period. he was paid on potential, and hasnt lived up to it yet. 25 million or so into it.

it would be like giving greg 5/75 this summer. and then him playing 50 games next year and stinking in the playoffs.

on to LMA

he is DEFINITELY worth his 5.8 million dollar salary this year.
IMO he is DEFINITELY worth his 10.7 next year. look at other players with similar production.
whether he will be worth his 15 million in 2014/15 is anybodies guess, but criticizing it now because it MIGHT be too much in 4 years seems a little silly.

just searching basketball reference for forwards averaging 16/7/with a PER over 17 the list looks like alot of older in their prime or past it players who will earn ALOT more THIS season than LMA will in 2014/15. i just dont see a comparable, save maybe no defense david lee who is two years older and will likely have a similar contract this summer.

 

[drexlersdad]

Well considering they won a title, I guess they are doing something right. They can look at making changes when they are no longer winning titles.

no thanks to bynum, but point taken. kinda hard to complain or look for fault when you win the title and are a contender every year.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It doesn't make me wonder. He's a moron... I don't try to figure out what morons are thinking.

Good point. It does boggle the mind that he's still jealous of Portland even though his Celtics won a title after losing the 2007 draft lottery.

Like you said, impossible to figure out.

BNM

 

[andalusian]

LMA is a better defending not as good offensively Al Jeff as far as potential and production is concerned. Contract seems reasonable given that.

 

[drexlersdad]

LMA is a better defending not as good offensively Al Jeff as far as potential and production is concerned. Contract seems reasonable given that.

not even close offensively, and not even close defensively.

 

[RoyToy]

Aldridge won't make more than $12M until 2012/2013 season, so there's still a chance he improves and earns every cent. As it is right now he's probably slightly overpaid, but not enough to make a big fuss about. It took a little extra to keep him and I'm fine with that.