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Thanks. That's helpful advice. I did NOT buy it to flip it right away, but I actually haven't decided what I'm going to do with it in the long term. I realize that the value will come back up eventually, but I just wish I had waited until now to buy, so my money would have gone much farther. My anxiety is actually three-fold: 1) I'm unemployed at the moment, so my bank balance is steadily dropping. 2) The value of my land is dropping 3) the value of my stock investments is dropping.

It's pretty depressing, but then I do have my health! :)

That's good, because health insurance costs are skyrocketing. Mine went up 92% in the last 2 years.

Being healthy should more than make up for the temporary plunge in your land value. :cheers:
 
I suspect Shooter bought his with some vague idea of holing up there in hiding from Obama's Socialist Army, but that's for another thread.
Not really, but that's a good idea. :) I bought it as an investment, or a place to retire, though I still haven't decided which it will be.

Last time I looked they had stopped producing more land, but not people, so it's near impossible to lose in the long run by buying it.
Very true, unless you happen to buy near the Love Canal.
 
Bravo. How in the world did you find that thread?

Just did a quick search for "stocks" over there. That quote always stuck in my mind....
 
If it was a smart and well researched purchase at the time you made it no matter how low the value may have dropped now it will rebound and increase greatly over time.
It's actually a great location, in a beautiful part of TN, on a very nice road. I think it will do okay over time. If I like it, I'm sure other people will also.

Also from reading many of your other posts and considering that this land is in Tennessee is there really a price too high for owning your own militia compound?
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I get a kick out of my image on this board. If you guys met me, you'd probably think I was a very mild-mannered and reasonable guy. I've never even owned a gun.
 
Very true, unless you happen to buy near the Love Canal.

or New Orleans.
or Detroit.
or Cleveland.
or much of the Midwest.

Truth is that all of those places seemed like really smart investments at some point or another.

I'm not even sure I agree with the idea that we won't stop producing more people. Several industrialized countries have seen net declines in population. The richer people get, the less they breed.

I'm not saying we're on the verge of depopulation--just that there's no way to be sure the next generation of people will want to have kids in the same volume as the current or past ones.
 
Maris61, here's a question- in Oregon, do you see the drop in housing prices as a needed adjustment to bring prices back in line or a drop due to the recession and prices will raise back up soon?

In a perfect world with diligent oversight of fair lending regulations and practices, it's all about supply and demand.

The Bush Administration neglected their duty to protect the public and now there are lots more billionaires and lots more destitute people, and fewer in between.

But to address the question my take in Beautiful Central Oregon (Real Estate markets are very local) is the prices are now about where they were in 2004, and still falling. As a Realtor I go by selling price. Many properties are still listed for sale at prices much, much higher, but nobody is even looking at those and as a Realtor i have stopped taking listings for clients who refuse to be realistic price-wise.

There are several markets here.

Bare land is not selling. Banks are refusing to finance it so unless the owner will carry the contract, or the buyer has cash, you can't even give it away at bargain prices. Which is sweet if you want to pick up an acre on a river, or 5-40 acres aways out of town. If all you want is a spot to park your RV and vacation you can get a non-buildable acre on the Little Deschutes for 15-30K.

Commercial properties are not selling. Again, banks are refusing to make available the tax dollars they have been gifted with, but in this case they have reason to be cautious, since businesses here keep going under and our real unemployment numbers are in the high teens still.

Residential properties are now widely divided in categories.

Bank-owned foreclosures make up over half of all residential home sales here now. They typically sell for less than it would cost to build the house, with the land thrown in free. Many need some TLC, some need major repair, some never got finished by the builder before he lost it. Some have frightening mold issues because they weren't winterized by the banks and the pipes burst during the winter due to no heat. I cannot stress enough the need to have a home inspected before you buy it. It's unimaginable what has happened to some of these homes either through neglect or through retribution by the person who lost it. A homeowner is required by law to disclose anything he knows about the home. Banks are excepted/protected from this law, and I have already seen one sell a home that had maybe $50,000 damage to it that I informed them of and gave them the 40 page inspection report and they did not disclose it to the buyer.

But there are some fantastic deals being made on undamaged homes if you can act immediately, i.e. 1-5 days after it is listed for sale. After that the good ones usually sell.

Short Sale properties in the process of being foreclosed (up to a few months away) are listed at prices lower than the bank is owed. In a normal market the banks would negotiate a fair price with the seller and accept a loss. Unfortunately there are write-off provisions now that make it more profitable for the bank to follow through with the foreclosure and take a huge loss rather than take a small loss and let the seller avoid a foreclosure. It takes an experienced Realtor to negotiate a short sale successfully right now. I usually track the short sales so I'm familiar with them, line up a buyer for it if I can, then pounce when the bank puts it back on the market at bargain price.

2nd homes/vacation homes.Strangely enough, loans have started becoming available again for these lately, and you would not believe the deals available on some awesome properties. Riverfront homes starting around $150K.

Manufactured homes. With strict building codes for these in recent years, many are better built and much nicer than your typical stickbuilt ranch home, and it was no problem a few years ago to get a loan on one. Currently I know one lender who will finance them because they specialize only in that. No other bank will usually touch them now. Because of this, they are mostly ignored by buyers and I am able to negotiate a selling price maybe 60-70% of the listing price.

Owner-owned homes. Homes that are not in foreclosure or nearing it are for the most part the nicest, best cared for, and priced so high nobody looks at them. I have had luck getting buyers to view them and then negotiating a selling price more in line with reality. It takes time, patience, and tactful communication on my part with the seller through their Realtor.

The bigger picture.

With a huge inventory already and a bigger block of foreclosures coming up this winter, I don't see prices rising here for at least 1-2 years, maybe more. That said, the bottom of the market has reached land value and can't drop much lower.

If you want a nice basic starter home or 2nd home, now is the time. There is no way to communicate the breadth of selection and desperation of seller right now. If you want a riverfront estate or a home at Crosswater Golf Course, I'd wait till next fall at least.

Other areas.

We recently sold a home in probate on a double lot in the First Addition Neighborhood in Lake Oswego, and the hardest part was getting the Realtor to accept the falling market. Being that it was in probate, we had no control over her actions. She kept the price too high and did minimal marketing, and we probably lost at least $200,000 over the year it took her to sell it. I've been following the Portland area regularly (shopping for friends there) and they seem to be slow in facing reality. You may see some crazy deals there eventually, but so far it seems way too high to me still.

I recently vacationed near Coos Bay and the prices there were still silly high, but nothing at all seemed to be selling.

Wow, got a bit carried away, but you know me. :devilwink:
 
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Bare land is not selling. Banks are refusing to finance it so unless the owner will carry the contract, or the buyer has cash, you can't even give it away at bargain prices. Which is sweet if you want to pick up an acre on a river, or 5-40 acres aways out of town. If all you want is a spot to park your RV and vacation you can get a non-buildable acre on the Little Deschutes for 15-30K.

Hmmmmm. That's what I want. A place for my friends and I to take our trailers/RV's to and camp/party a few times a year. :ghoti:
 
This thread reminded me of another from 2006.

Most ominous quote:

Since Shooter/Talkhard started that thread also and he talks about recent stock purchases he made back then, I'd love to hear from him what those stocks are worth today.

It would be a real measuring stick in comparison to Real Estate and other investments.
 
I get a kick out of my image on this board. If you guys met me, you'd probably think I was a very mild-mannered and reasonable guy. I've never even owned a gun.

Then I have to ask, what do you "shoot"?

And please, don't gross me out. :lol:
 
In a perfect world with diligent oversight of fair lending regulations and practices, it's all about supply and demand.

The Bush Administration neglected their duty to protect the public and now there are lots more billionaires and lots more destitute people, and fewer in between.

But to address the question my take in Beautiful Central Oregon (Real Estate markets are very local) is the prices are now about where they were in 2004, and still falling. As a Realtor I go by selling price. Many properties are still listed for sale at prices much, much higher, but nobody is even looking at those and as a Realtor i have stopped taking listings for clients who refuse to be realistic price-wise.

There are several markets here.

Bare land is not selling. Banks are refusing to finance it so unless the owner will carry the contract, or the buyer has cash, you can't even give it away at bargain prices. Which is sweet if you want to pick up an acre on a river, or 5-40 acres aways out of town. If all you want is a spot to park your RV and vacation you can get a non-buildable acre on the Little Deschutes for 15-30K.

Commercial properties are not selling. Again, banks are refusing to make available the tax dollars they have been gifted with, but in this case they have reason to be cautious, since businesses here keep going under and our real unemployment numbers are in the high teens still.

Residential properties are now widely divided in categories.

Bank-owned foreclosures make up over half of all residential home sales here now. They typically sell for less than it would cost to build the house, with the land thrown in free. Many need some TLC, some need major repair, some never got finished by the builder before he lost it. Some have frightening mold issues because they weren't winterized by the banks and the pipes burst during the winter due to no heat. I cannot stress enough the need to have a home inspected before you buy it. It's unimaginable what has happened to some of these homes either through neglect or through retribution by the person who lost it. A homeowner is required by law to disclose anything he knows about the home. Banks are excepted/protected from this law, and I have already seen one sell a home that had maybe $50,000 damage to it that I informed them of and gave them the 40 page inspection report and they did not disclose it to the buyer.

But there are some fantastic deals being made on undamaged homes if you can act immediately, i.e. 1-5 days after it is listed for sale. After that the good ones usually sell.

Short Sale properties in the process of being foreclosed (up to a few months away) are listed at prices lower than the bank is owed. In a normal market the banks would negotiate a fair price with the seller and accept a loss. Unfortunately there are write-off provisions now that make it more profitable for the bank to follow through with the foreclosure and take a huge loss rather than take a small loss and let the seller avoid a foreclosure. It takes an experienced Realtor to negotiate a short sale successfully right now. I usually track the short sales so I'm familiar with them, line up a buyer for it if I can, then pounce when the bank puts it back on the market at bargain price.

2nd homes/vacation homes.Strangely enough, loans have started becoming available again for these lately, and you would not believe the deals available on some awesome properties. Riverfront homes starting around $150K.

Manufactured homes. With strict building codes for these in recent years, many are better built and much nicer than your typical stickbuilt ranch home, and it was no problem a few years ago to get a loan on one. Currently I know one lender who will finance them because they specialize only in that. No other bank will usually touch them now. Because of this, they are mostly ignored by buyers and I am able to negotiate a selling price maybe 60-70% of the listing price.

Owner-owned homes. Homes that are not in foreclosure or nearing it are for the most part the nicest, best cared for, and priced so high nobody looks at them. I have had luck getting buyers to view them and then negotiating a selling price more in line with reality. It takes time, patience, and tactful communication on my part with the seller through their Realtor.

The bigger picture.

With a huge inventory already and a bigger block of foreclosures coming up this winter, I don't see prices rising here for at least 1-2 years, maybe more. That said, the bottom of the market has reached land value and can't drop much lower.

If you want a nice basic starter home or 2nd home, now is the time. There is no way to communicate the breadth of selection and desperation of seller right now. If you want a riverfront estate or a home at Crosswater Golf Course, I'd wait till next fall at least.

Other areas.

We recently sold a home in probate on a double lot in the First Addition Neighborhood in Lake Oswego, and the hardest part was getting the Realtor to accept the falling market. Being that it was in probate, we had no control over her actions. She kept the price too high and did minimal marketing, and we probably lost at least $200,000 over the year it took her to sell it. I've been following the Portland area regularly (shopping for friends there) and they seem to be slow in facing reality. You may see some crazy deals there eventually, but so far it seems way too high to me still.

I recently vacationed near Coos Bay and the prices there were still silly high, but nothing at all seemed to be selling.

Wow, got a bit carried away, but you know me. :devilwink:


I'm glad you did get carried away as it was an education. I also found what you say really interesting.
 
In a perfect world with diligent oversight of fair lending regulations and practices, it's all about supply and demand.

The Bush Administration neglected their duty to protect the public and now there are lots more billionaires and lots more destitute people, and fewer in between.

But to address the question my take in Beautiful Central Oregon (Real Estate markets are very local) is the prices are now about where they were in 2004, and still falling. As a Realtor I go by selling price. Many properties are still listed for sale at prices much, much higher, but nobody is even looking at those and as a Realtor i have stopped taking listings for clients who refuse to be realistic price-wise.

There are several markets here.

Bare land is not selling. Banks are refusing to finance it so unless the owner will carry the contract, or the buyer has cash, you can't even give it away at bargain prices. Which is sweet if you want to pick up an acre on a river, or 5-40 acres aways out of town. If all you want is a spot to park your RV and vacation you can get a non-buildable acre on the Little Deschutes for 15-30K.

Commercial properties are not selling. Again, banks are refusing to make available the tax dollars they have been gifted with, but in this case they have reason to be cautious, since businesses here keep going under and our real unemployment numbers are in the high teens still.

Residential properties are now widely divided in categories.

Bank-owned foreclosures make up over half of all residential home sales here now. They typically sell for less than it would cost to build the house, with the land thrown in free. Many need some TLC, some need major repair, some never got finished by the builder before he lost it. Some have frightening mold issues because they weren't winterized by the banks and the pipes burst during the winter due to no heat. I cannot stress enough the need to have a home inspected before you buy it. It's unimaginable what has happened to some of these homes either through neglect or through retribution by the person who lost it. A homeowner is required by law to disclose anything he knows about the home. Banks are excepted/protected from this law, and I have already seen one sell a home that had maybe $50,000 damage to it that I informed them of and gave them the 40 page inspection report and they did not disclose it to the buyer.

But there are some fantastic deals being made on undamaged homes if you can act immediately, i.e. 1-5 days after it is listed for sale. After that the good ones usually sell.

Short Sale properties in the process of being foreclosed (up to a few months away) are listed at prices lower than the bank is owed. In a normal market the banks would negotiate a fair price with the seller and accept a loss. Unfortunately there are write-off provisions now that make it more profitable for the bank to follow through with the foreclosure and take a huge loss rather than take a small loss and let the seller avoid a foreclosure. It takes an experienced Realtor to negotiate a short sale successfully right now. I usually track the short sales so I'm familiar with them, line up a buyer for it if I can, then pounce when the bank puts it back on the market at bargain price.

2nd homes/vacation homes.Strangely enough, loans have started becoming available again for these lately, and you would not believe the deals available on some awesome properties. Riverfront homes starting around $150K.

Manufactured homes. With strict building codes for these in recent years, many are better built and much nicer than your typical stickbuilt ranch home, and it was no problem a few years ago to get a loan on one. Currently I know one lender who will finance them because they specialize only in that. No other bank will usually touch them now. Because of this, they are mostly ignored by buyers and I am able to negotiate a selling price maybe 60-70% of the listing price.

Owner-owned homes. Homes that are not in foreclosure or nearing it are for the most part the nicest, best cared for, and priced so high nobody looks at them. I have had luck getting buyers to view them and then negotiating a selling price more in line with reality. It takes time, patience, and tactful communication on my part with the seller through their Realtor.

The bigger picture.

With a huge inventory already and a bigger block of foreclosures coming up this winter, I don't see prices rising here for at least 1-2 years, maybe more. That said, the bottom of the market has reached land value and can't drop much lower.

If you want a nice basic starter home or 2nd home, now is the time. There is no way to communicate the breadth of selection and desperation of seller right now. If you want a riverfront estate or a home at Crosswater Golf Course, I'd wait till next fall at least.

Other areas.

We recently sold a home in probate on a double lot in the First Addition Neighborhood in Lake Oswego, and the hardest part was getting the Realtor to accept the falling market. Being that it was in probate, we had no control over her actions. She kept the price too high and did minimal marketing, and we probably lost at least $200,000 over the year it took her to sell it. I've been following the Portland area regularly (shopping for friends there) and they seem to be slow in facing reality. You may see some crazy deals there eventually, but so far it seems way too high to me still.

I recently vacationed near Coos Bay and the prices there were still silly high, but nothing at all seemed to be selling.

Wow, got a bit carried away, but you know me. :devilwink:

Thanks for the great post. Lot of detail to digest there. The gist of it, I guess, is that real estate really fucking sucks right now.

I'd love to upgrade into a nicer house right now. In fact, judging by what you said and what I see around me, and the current interest rates, I'd have no problem affording a much, much better home. Problem is, what do I do with the one I've got? I hated being a landlord, so renting it is out. And it'd be impossible to sell my current house for much at all. Maybe I should just take whatever I can get and move on....
 
Thanks for the post, Maris. I know you said things are different in BCO than Portland, but is there ever any correlation? Things like "rural areas follow cities" or "when suburbs recover, rural's next" or "cities never have highs as high or lows as low"?
 
Thanks for the great post. Lot of detail to digest there. The gist of it, I guess, is that real estate really fucking sucks right now.

I'd love to upgrade into a nicer house right now. In fact, judging by what you said and what I see around me, and the current interest rates, I'd have no problem affording a much, much better home. Problem is, what do I do with the one I've got? I hated being a landlord, so renting it is out. And it'd be impossible to sell my current house for much at all. Maybe I should just take whatever I can get and move on....

I'll bid $50.00
 
Relax about the land, Shooter. If you don't plan to sell it right now, then don't sweat the current value as it doesn't matter. RE is one of the classic inflation hedges. Given the pressure on the dollar due to government spending and our money supply, we're going to see a ton of inflation which will be great for the value of your land.

The writing was on the wall for a long time. It's too bad people refused to see it. The bottom line is that residential real estate HAS to be tied to income growth. Over the past decade we've had an overall stagnation in income growth but huge increases in real estate values. It was driven by low interest rates and easy financing.

Real estate is still a great investment, it's just the real returns will return to more traditional levels.
 
Thanks for the great post. Lot of detail to digest there. The gist of it, I guess, is that real estate really fucking sucks right now.

I'd love to upgrade into a nicer house right now. In fact, judging by what you said and what I see around me, and the current interest rates, I'd have no problem affording a much, much better home. Problem is, what do I do with the one I've got? I hated being a landlord, so renting it is out. And it'd be impossible to sell my current house for much at all. Maybe I should just take whatever I can get and move on....

Good point. I can't believe I didn't mention how awesome the rates are right now. When I bought my first home in the early 80's the rate was close to 9%. Now it's sitting around 5%. It's literally hundreds of dollars cheaper per month, and maybe $100,000 cheaper over the term of the loan. #1 biggest factor in my opinion.

Another biggie right now (but not for you:tsktsk:) is the first time buyer tax credit of $8,000 if you haven't owned a home in the last 3 years. It is set to expire next month but will probably be extended and maybe enlarged or made available to all buyers. Call your Congressman!

As for your predicament, it's a common one lately. My view is move when you want to move, 'cause life's too short to let "the economy" or "factors out of my control" influence me to spend years of it sitting and waiting for just the right moment when the stars all align, like I'm at the DMV waiting in line to get my tags or something as unimportant and dull as that. Not gonna go all Steve Smiley here but my home is where I base my life out of and the nicer it is, the nicer each and every day I live in it is.

Whether the market is high or it is low makes no difference if you're selling AND buying. If you're upgrading you'll still come out ahead. You'll get less for your hour current home, but you'll pay less for your new home. Wait a few years and you'll get more for your home and pay more for your home. The tipping factor is rates, which are historically low right now. When inflation hits, they'll be gone for another decade or so.

My advice would be to get a good Realtor, hopefully someone you trust can recommend one, or maybe you know one since you own a home, and be honest with him/her about what your goal(s) is. Then be prepared to follow his advice on pricing, staging...and be proactive in telling everyone you meet about your home for sale. All the while be looking at properties you are interested in buying. Look at as many as you have time for. I have been showing clients 50-100 or more homes before they buy, all in or soon to be in their price range. That's how big the selection is.

By the time your home sells you will be familiar with all the homes that meet your criteria, may have found your dream home, and you'll have been able to track the price drops on most of them to get a feel for what you should offer. As an added incentive to your Realtor, have him be the one to show you other homes. He may work a little harder to sell yours knowing it may lead to another commission when you buy. And it will give you time to get to know him better and see if he knows what he's doing and has your back. A good Realtor should be more interested in getting you your perfect place at the best price possible than getting a big commission. Successful Realtors know it's all about the referrals.

Go for it. Sounds like you deserve it and can afford it. You will not only be glad you did, there's something else there too, a feeling of accomplishment, like you've won the first round series in life, and a "been there done that" cockiness. It can be a huge attitude adjustment, always coming home to a place that makes you grin no matter what a crappy day you may have had.
 
Thanks for the post, Maris. I know you said things are different in BCO than Portland, but is there ever any correlation? Things like "rural areas follow cities" or "when suburbs recover, rural's next" or "cities never have highs as high or lows as low"?

A lot of it is the local economy, especially in bigger cities.

Here, because of the beauty, the clean environment, the outdoors opportunities, we will always have the steady influx of retirees, which is 90% of my clients this year. Most of them are cash buyers or have their finances arranged, and that's who's putting the food on my table this year.

Young families are not moving here because our unemployment is 16%. There seems to be a little vacation home interest this summer but that's expected. Nobody local is buying or moving up much as they're either on fixed incomes or scraping by. Lots of entreprenuers and self employed people here. The one exception is the health field. If you work in the healthcare industry, nurse, cna, doc, vet, phlebotomist, tree surgeon:drumroll:...there's a job here for you. I expect in Portland it's mainly tied to jobs, and I don't think it's been as big a hit there yet. It probably won't be as bad in the long run. The next rebound will be much more gradual at first I think, because the government will try to put controls on it, but overall I expect it to be bigger and longer lasting. People want property more than ever now that it's been taken away from so many.
 
Buy low, sell high.

Simple.

The dollar cost averaging idea (buy more land) is a good one. Not sure if Tennessee is where to buy it though - will it be one of the first states to benefit from any turnaround in the economy?
 
Buy low, sell high.

Simple.

The dollar cost averaging idea (buy more land) is a good one. Not sure if Tennessee is where to buy it though - will it be one of the first states to benefit from any turnaround in the economy?
Lots of people have been moving to Tennessee to retire lately, because the cost of living is much lower than in many other places. In fact, some retirees have been moving back up to TN from Florida. Don't know if that trend will continue or not.

VW is building a new manufacturing plant in Chattanooga, not too far from my property, so I'm hoping that will also stimulate land values. The economy in the South has been pretty positive, on the whole. Atlanta is only 2 hours away, and their economy has been booming for years.
 
Since Shooter/Talkhard started that thread also and he talks about recent stock purchases he made back then, I'd love to hear from him what those stocks are worth today.
Marvel has done extremely well. That stock, which I sold about a year ago, is now over $51.00 a share. Triquint Semiconductor, on the other hand, is at about $8.00, way down from the $55.00 it was when I bought it.
 
Obama signs extension/expansion for home-buying tax credit:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/05/news/economy/Extending_unemployment_benefits/index.htm

Tax break for buying a home
The legislation also will extend the $8,000 homebuyer tax credit to contracts signed by April 30 and closed by June 30. The controversial credit, which many say has boosted home sales in recent months, was set to expire after Nov. 30.

The bill also creates a $6,500 credit for those who buy a home after living in their current house at least five years. That measure will apply to contracts signed by April 30 and closed by June 30. The current credit defines a first-time homebuyer as someone who has not owned a residence within the past three years.

The credit will be available only for the purchase of principal residences priced at $800,000 or less.

The bill will raise the adjusted gross income cap to $125,000 for single filers and $225,000 for joint filers. The amount of the credit currently begins to phase out for taxpayers whose adjusted gross income is more than $75,000, or $150,000 for joint filers.

"It's gonna put people back to work, the home builders, put people in the real estate business," said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn. "The kind of jobs that can make a difference."

The extension will cost $10.8 billion over 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Through mid-September, 1.4 million tax returns had qualified for the credit, according to the IRS. Some portion of those returns, which the IRS couldn't specify, represents buyers who took advantage of an earlier version of the tax credit, which was only worth $7,500 and has to be repaid over time.

By the end of November, the credit will have been used by 1.8 million homebuyers, at least 355,000 of whom would not have bought a house without the tax break, according to estimates by the National Association of Realtors.

"The data on the present home buyer tax credit show that the credit has had its intended impact -- sales have jumped in recent months to a projected 5.1 million for the year and housing inventory has been trimmed, thus stabilizing home prices noticeably," said Ron Phipps, the association's first vice president, in Senate testimony last month.
 
So out of $800B, we now see two programs that actually worked. Cash for clunkers subsidized car purchases, which surely helped car dealers' top and bottom lines. Cash for clunkers cost $2B? This one costs $1.08B per year over 10 years. What did we need to spend the other $797B on?
 
So out of $800B, we now see two programs that actually worked. Cash for clunkers subsidized car purchases, which surely helped car dealers' top and bottom lines. Cash for clunkers cost $2B? This one costs $1.08B per year over 10 years. What did we need to spend the other $797B on?

Intended to be used as seed money to make credit available again, it was mis-appropriated for bonuses for big bank execs.
 
Intended to be used as seed money to make credit available again, it was mis-appropriated for bonuses for big bank execs.

I wasn't talking about TARP. I was talking about the "emergency stimulus" spending bill passed by congress in February.
 
I wasn't talking about TARP. I was talking about the "emergency stimulus" spending bill passed by congress in February.
I'm curious about that money as well. Just not as curious as I am about the Trillions in off balance sheet loans the FED gave out...TRILLIONS!

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