anyone cared to explain the truth of heaven with you?

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The Holy Bible describes Heaven as a beautiful place where people live forever with no death, sorrow, sickness and pain. {Revelation 21:4} Hell is described as a place of suffering forever for all those who are not saved. {Matthew 13:50} The good news is that about 2000 years ago Jesus Christ(God the Son) paid for everyone's sins or wrong doing by dying on the cross and rising from the dead after three days. {Mark 10:34} God the Son came as a sinless man. {Philippians 2:5-8} Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto God(The Father), but by me." {John 14:6} He is our ONLY way to God(The Father) in Heaven. The Holy Bible says, "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God(The Father) raised Jesus Christ from the dead, you will be saved." {Romans 10:9} You should not wait until later to get saved because you may die before you get another chance and you will miss Heaven. If you want to be sure you will go to Heaven after this life is over just pray a meaningful prayer like the one below with your mouth and from your heart right now to God and you will be saved. Dear God I want to be saved. Dear Jesus Christ Son of God I want to make you my personal Lord and Savior. Please forgive me of my sins or things I have done wrong in my life. Thanks Jesus Christ for taking my punishment for my sins by shedding your sinless blood on the cross and dying for my sins. Jesus Christ I now confess you as my Lord and believe in my heart that God(The Father) raised you from the dead. Amen. If you just allowed God to save you then welcome to the family of God because you are now a Christian on your way to Heaven.Now that you are saved, there are some things you should do for spiritual growth: 1. In addition to being taught the Bible in church, Sunday School, and/or Bible studies - you need to be reading the Bible for yourself. The Bible contains everything you need to know in order to live a successful Christian life. It contains God's guidance for how to make wise decisions, how to know God's will, how to minister to others, and how to grow spiritually. The Bible is God's Word to us. The Bible is essentially God's instruction manual for how to live our lives in a way that is pleasing to Him and satisfying to us. 2. Develop relationships with people who can help you spiritually. 1 Corinthians 15:33 tells us, "Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character.'" The Bible is full of warnings about the influence "bad" people can have on us. Spending time with those who engage in sinful activities will cause us to be tempted by those activities. The character of those we are around will "rub off" on us. That is why it is so important to surround ourselves with other people who love the Lord Jesus Christ and are committed to Him.Have a good day,Ronald L. GrossiRonaldLGrossi@yahoo.com (Send all questions to this email address.) Please copy and paste this entire message and email it to your friends and family so they can learn the truth about Heaven.
 
Although this seems like a random 'campaign' of advertisement, it does open up some opportunity for some discussion so I'll just keep this open.Heaven, to me, is simple. It's what I've been taught when I was a child, and it's what I've been taught by the Church. It's the place where angels go, and eventually, if you're good, it's where you go.I have some doubts about Hell though. However, if there's a Hell, then I'm pretty sure there's a purgatory as well, so that's probably where I'll end up being.
 
ah religion, the most insidious conversation topic since janet jackson flashed the world
 
Apparently by the bible's definition heaven is a place in which you have the feeling of "closeness" to your creator while in hell you are far away from his love. In heaven you are not in full consciousness from the way I interpret it. Personally, heaven doesn't sound all that great. Anyways.. I just think that the whole heaven thing is stupid. People should make the most out of this life rather than always looking forward to the next thing. I do understand that it serves its purpose to give people hope in the world that they'll see their loved ones again.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 14 2007, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Apparently by the bible's definition heaven is a place in which you have the feeling of "closeness" to your creator while in hell you are far away from his love. In heaven you are not in full consciousness from the way I interpret it. Personally, heaven doesn't sound all that great. Anyways.. I just think that the whole heaven thing is stupid. People should make the most out of this life rather than always looking forward to the next thing. I do understand that it serves its purpose to give people hope in the world that they'll see their loved ones again.</div>I always thought Heaven was supposed to be more of an incentive for good behavior then anything else. But whatever.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jun 15 2007, 06:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 14 2007, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Apparently by the bible's definition heaven is a place in which you have the feeling of "closeness" to your creator while in hell you are far away from his love. In heaven you are not in full consciousness from the way I interpret it. Personally, heaven doesn't sound all that great. Anyways.. I just think that the whole heaven thing is stupid. People should make the most out of this life rather than always looking forward to the next thing. I do understand that it serves its purpose to give people hope in the world that they'll see their loved ones again.</div>I always thought Heaven was supposed to be more of an incentive for good behavior then anything else. But whatever.</div>Well, yeah but you can kill 1000 people throughout your life and apologize to god for your sins on your deathbed and according to the definition you can still go to heaven as long as you believe that Jesus is your savior.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 15 2007, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jun 15 2007, 06:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 14 2007, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Apparently by the bible's definition heaven is a place in which you have the feeling of "closeness" to your creator while in hell you are far away from his love. In heaven you are not in full consciousness from the way I interpret it. Personally, heaven doesn't sound all that great. Anyways.. I just think that the whole heaven thing is stupid. People should make the most out of this life rather than always looking forward to the next thing. I do understand that it serves its purpose to give people hope in the world that they'll see their loved ones again.</div>I always thought Heaven was supposed to be more of an incentive for good behavior then anything else. But whatever.</div>Well, yeah but you can kill 1000 people throughout your life and apologize to god for your sins on your deathbed and according to the definition you can still go to heaven as long as you believe that Jesus is your savior.
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</div>That's Protestant belief.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 14 2007, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Apparently by the bible's definition heaven is a place in which you have the feeling of "closeness" to your creator while in hell you are far away from his love. In heaven you are not in full consciousness from the way I interpret it. Personally, heaven doesn't sound all that great. Anyways.. I just think that the whole heaven thing is stupid. People should make the most out of this life rather than always looking forward to the next thing. I do understand that it serves its purpose to give people hope in the world that they'll see their loved ones again.</div>Heaven is more described as serenity than anything else. Think of the time you were feeling the best in your life, loved, no worries, absent of fear and sorrow. That's heaven.Hell is a separation from all that is good (and despite commonly held belief is rarely described as a place of fire in the Bible. Dante's Inferno popularized that belief, but on a whole Hell is most commonly described as a separation from God's love. Imagine hopeless depression, so much so you want to end your own life (yet you are in Hell, so you can't). That is more of the description of Hell.Or, to way oversimplify it: Heaven is like you are breathing pure oxygen, Hell is like you are in a deep pit of depression.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 13 2007, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Advertising.</div>No, he's just doing the right thing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Jun 15 2007, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 13 2007, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Advertising.</div>No, he's just doing the right thing.</div>Is he? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Please copy and paste this entire message and email it to your friends and family so they can learn the truth about Heaven.</div>That sounds like advertising to me.
 
He isnt trying to make $$$ hes trying to spread the word; advertising an opinion is much different than advertising a product.
 
But he's advertising a religion, something I really could live without.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 16 2007, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But he's advertising a religion, something I really could live without.</div>Will it really put a dent in your time when you click a few times on your mouse just to find an "advertising" heaven "ad"?If you don't want to read this topic, then it's simple: Stay out.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jun 15 2007, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He isnt trying to make $$$ hes trying to spread the word; advertising an opinion is much different than advertising a product.</div>Trying to impose anything upon someone is advertising.
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I guess I'm advertising then when I argue my point about how good the Redskins are... :devil:
 
^ HAHA.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But he's advertising a religion, something I really could live without.</div>Doesn't seem that way
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You seem like a person that gets angry easily and then you probably think about your problems all day rather than just thanking God for living and thinking about the future. ;)Instead of telling your "God" how big your problems are, why don't you tell your problems how big God is?
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It's pretty ironic because I don't believe in "God." And why is there a reason to believe in "God?" He killed off my entire family besides me and my mother, yea thank him for me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 23 2007, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's pretty ironic because I don't believe in "God." And why is there a reason to believe in "God?" He killed off my entire family besides me and my mother, yea thank him for me.</div>There's a reason for everything, man... and you know that. If your dad or siblings would still be alive today, maybe they would be suffering from cancer right now. Or maybe they would've got in a car accident that would've killed Brian Calhoun and many others, not just your family.And it's not God that killed your dad. You gotta understand that. There's Satan you know...You know how you're probably all like, "Damn, this is evil... this is so horrible" ? Well how do you know what's evil if there wasn't something great... like God. You couldn't separate good from bad if there was nothing beyond good, when you already know that there is evil. Right now, you're in the perfect position for help, and don't take that as a bad thing (because you know what I mean). If you need help, you know who to look up to.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It's pretty ironic because I don't believe in "God." And why is there a reason to believe in "God?" He killed off my entire family besides me and my mother, yea thank him for me.</div>It's your choice. You choose which path you wanna take.You can look at it that way and not be able to move on because you're focusing too much on the past that you cannot change or you can focus on the present and future and enjoy that. And yes, you should be thankful for yourself and your mom. How would you like to be kid "living" in Darfur?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Jun 23 2007, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It's pretty ironic because I don't believe in "God." And why is there a reason to believe in "God?" He killed off my entire family besides me and my mother, yea thank him for me.</div>It's your choice. You choose which path you wanna take.You can look at it that way and not be able to move on because you're focusing too much on the past that you cannot change or you can focus on the present and future and enjoy that. And yes, you should be thankful for yourself and your mom. How would you like to be kid "living" in Darfur?</div>Explain to me how a loving god allows that to happen? For me, all evidence points away from the christian idea of god. Just my personal opinion... not an attack or anything. I do completely understand that some people need religion though. It helps them live and that is a good thing.
 
That's the way I feel. Why the hell do people look up to some fake resource that allows death and things such as genocides to happen? Death is a good counter-balance to birth rates and things, but why the hell should we be allowed to suffer? Why do people stab others, shoot, rape, etc.? Unless you can give me a reason, there is no reason for me to believe in a "god" or god-like figure.
 
On Studio 60 last week, Danny Tripp (Bradley Whitford) gave a "powerful" speech against praying. Wish I could find the script.
 
The thing that gets me is the whole "organized religion" thing. The actual message of Jesus is great. Don't kill people, do good works, etc etc. With christianity and other religions the problem comes with the followers. These people are constantly interpreting the words and basing their entire lives off of these words. Then they interpret them and come up with ideas like god hates gay people. The actual person Jesus probably wouldn't want his followers all wrapped up in petty stuff like that, rather work toward advancing and helping people. Then there's the people that are missionaries and help people "with a catch" and come to help people with their christian message in hopes of converting them. Ugh..Then there's the whole two religions working towards the same ultimate goal yet against each other. My brother and mother are both christians. I ask them all the time why the really great peaceful muslims, hindus, atheists etc who do good works and help less fortunate people aren't rewarded in the christian idea of afterlife even if they are working towards the betterment of society more than some christians. I don't understand why there can be a christian guy who sits on his ass all week, goes to church on sunday and lives out his boring life doing nothing while there's a muslim guy who goes to spread peace, helps poor people etc yet the christian guy gets to go to heaven while the muslim guy goes to hell.. whole scenario works in either direction. It makes no sense to me at all. To me organized religion is almost too selfish. It's all about how I can get to heaven and how I can make my afterlife the best. How about going around spreading peace and helping people make their current lives better, no catches that help YOU get in the good graces of this omniscient figure. I can be a very religious person on a personal level. I just don't believe in the spreading the message crap. When it comes down to it a lot of christians are hypocrites. I see this a lot living in the bible belt. Sorry for the rant.. lol
 
That wasn't really that much of a rant. It was pretty clear where you stand and how you feel. Personally I agree with you, but I'm not one bit religious at all. When I first learned the story of Jesus, I always wondered why all of a sudden people started believing in "God" just because of a man who died. I really do not understand to this day what the big thing about Jesus was. He was just another martyr, but he happens to be the biggest one in history of the entire human existance. Why is it that a lot of people in society say things like, "God damnit!" or "God bless you" (I understand where this came from, but why God?) or "God help us." Nobody is going to save you if you are about to die, the most that will happen is luck. If someone is holding a gun to a priest's head, will God save him? Probably not, but he happens to be a very big follower of him. Why is it that innocent people are usually the one's that die, and not the criminal or whatever it is they may be? There's never going to be a reason for me to look up to a mystical creature that supposedly determines our afterlife. Me, when you die, you're gone forever. And if there was an afterlife, it would be all the same people and there would be no reason to have died in the first place. The myth, yes it's a myth, of "God" has really trapped people into thinking life is the way Jesus said. But can somebody explain to me what religion was like before Christ? Why was it that some significant religious outbreak started after a martyr died, especially one that was no different than any other martyr? Why do Jews have different beliefs than the Christians, Muslims, etc. when these religions are supposedly based on history? Unless someone can come up with an amazing, detailed explanation to all of this and more that I can't see possible, there's no way anyone in my life to come will ever convince me of such a thing as God. You guys can feed off and answer my questions and comments, but it won't even sway my beliefs.
 
My personal belief is the following:There could be a god, there could not be a god. I really don't care. We should be using our time on the actual earth to do better things instead of bickering about an afterlife that no one is really sure about. If jesus was really the son of god and really was as smart as he made himself out to be, he would come down to earth and tell everyone to shut the fuck up and quit fighting each other over meaningless shit. Same with all the other prophets/messiahs of different religions. I completely understand why Muhammad would say "stop eating pork". At the time pork was disease ridden and was a main cause of death.. Is that still the case? no. However people take things that would make sense back then and transfer them over to modern times in which they make little to no sense. I just don't think you base your whole life off of a really old book.
 
^^ Amen brotha... oh wait, that's religious.
 
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