Ariza will be sloppy seconds

[MAS RipCity]

YahooSportsNBALeague executives believe the loser in the Hedo pursuit --- Portland or Toronto -- will offer Ariza between $32 million and $40 million deal
A mod can place this somewhere, but wasn't sure which topic to put it in.
I like Ariza, but I think I'd rather let Batum play.

 

[THE HCP]

No thanks

 

[B-Roy]

No thanks

Agreed.

 

[Tortimer]

I didn't like how he acted with the Rudy foul but I would like Ariza better then Hedo. I like Hedo but Ariza is younger a better defender and IMO has a lot of upside. Plus he is cheaper even at 40 million. I also wouldn't mind weakening the Lakers. If the Lakers end up getting Ariza they would at least have to pay a lot and might not be able to sign Odom.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

I think Ariza > Hedo, personally. Both of their values are inflated for a great playoff run which I don't think they can sustain next year or the years after at the same level they played at

 

[RoyToy]

I officially hate the free agency period.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Summer of 09 Plan baby!

 

[oldmangrouch]

At 5 years/$32 million (and much younger than Hedo), Ariza would have the advantage of not being a millstone on the cap. If he worked out, great...if not, his contract would be relatively easy to trade.

Of course, all this assumes Batum needs at least another 2-3 seasons to hit his stride. If he begins to reach his potential next season - Ariza is redundant.

 

[LameR]

Would it be a little weird if Ariza came in and Rudy was involved in a package-deal for someone?

 

[illmatic99]

You pro-Ariza guys are fucking ridiculous.

Here's a stats comparison:

Rk          Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Trevor Ariza 2008-09  23 82 20 1998 4.9 10.7 .460 1.1 3.4 .319 2.2 3.0 .710 2.0 4.3 6.3 2.6 2.5 0.4 1.6 3.0 13.1
2    Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 1454 4.0  8.9 .446 1.5 4.2 .369 1.0 1.3 .808 2.1 3.4 5.4 1.8 1.2 1.0 1.2 3.4 10.5

I'll take Nic, thanks. Ariza has had one decent year, and even in that season, he's been ultra-mediocre. There is no need to throw loads and loads of cash at this guy.

 

[Minstrel]

I'll take Nic, thanks.

Why not both?

 

[THE HCP]

If we sign him, I will kick his ass! See picture!

 

[illmatic99]

Why not both?

Ariza brings nothing that we don't already have.

 

[B-Roy]

If we sign him, I will kick his ass! See picture!

Bring Rudy along!

 

[Minstrel]

Ariza brings nothing that we don't already have.

More good players is better than less good players. Batum can't play every minute at small forward.

I certainly wouldn't say Ariza is the top target, but he'd be a lot better than simply letting the cap space disappear for nothing.

 

[illmatic99]

I certainly wouldn't say Ariza is the top target, but he'd be a lot better than simply letting the cap space disappear for nothing.

That goes without saying, but paying $32 million for Ariza is not a good business or basketball decision. There are more pressing needs that Portland can fill by using this capspace instead of doling it out to a guy with such a limited skill set.

 

[Minstrel]

That goes without saying, but paying $32 million for Ariza is not a good business or basketball decision. There are more pressing needs that Portland can fill by using this capspace instead of doling it out to a guy with such a limited skill set.

You don't always get to choose. Free agents have their own agendas. I wouldn't want Pritchard to have Ariza at the top of his list, but if other free agents opt for other destinations (most tend to stay with their current team) then Ariza could easily become the best option.

 

[oldmangrouch]

That goes without saying, but paying $32 million for Ariza is not a good business or basketball decision. There are more pressing needs that Portland can fill by using this capspace instead of doling it out to a guy with such a limited skill set.

5 years/$32 mil is comparable to what we spent (wasted?) on Webster. I'm not enthusiastic by any means, but in the grand scheme of things, that is NBA chump change. It might be worth it just to weaken the L*kers!

 

[BrianFromWA]

We haven't wasted a dime on Webster. His extension kicked in yesterday.

 

[DaRizzle]

YahooSportsNBALeague executives believe the loser in the Hedo pursuit --- Portland or Toronto -- will offer Ariza between $32 million and $40 million deal
A mod can place this somewhere, but wasn't sure which topic to put it in.
I like Ariza, but I think I'd rather let Batum play.

WTF?!? How many years!??! 10?!?

Ariza at max in worth MLE...hes good, but hes way over hyped right now

 

[brsinepyce]

You guys are all nuts for thinking the ariza is better than hedo let alone ANY SF on our team! Id rather start martell than ariza. HE IS A LAKER FOR CHRIST SAKE!

 

[Ed O]

You pro-Ariza guys are fucking ridiculous.

Here's a stats comparison:

Rk          Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Trevor Ariza 2008-09  23 82 20 1998 4.9 10.7 .460 1.1 3.4 .319 2.2 3.0 .710 2.0 4.3 6.3 2.6 2.5 0.4 1.6 3.0 13.1
2    Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 1454 4.0  8.9 .446 1.5 4.2 .369 1.0 1.3 .808 2.1 3.4 5.4 1.8 1.2 1.0 1.2 3.4 10.5

I'll take Nic, thanks. Ariza has had one decent year, and even in that season, he's been ultra-mediocre. There is no need to throw loads and loads of cash at this guy.

Which is his good year? 08-09, when his PER was 15.5? Or 07-08, when his PER was a combined 16.1? Or 06-07, when his PER was 16.2?

He's had three straight solid seasons. Nothing spectacular, but he's only 24 (turned it the day before yesterday) and he's known primarily as a defender, so his above-average PERs are more impressive to me.

I might prefer Ariza over Hedo at a similar price. It's a close call, but I think Ariza's youth, superior defense and superior PER make him a more valuable player.

Ed O.

 

[brsinepyce]

PER is impressive, but that is just numbers. Is he a good fit with portland? I highly doubt it. Beef in the locker room with the whole being a laker/push on rudy. He is far to over rated. He should not be getting anything higher than a role players contract, MLE. I saw somewhere that a team was going to offer him in the 30-40 millions! CRAZY

 

[Mediocre Man]

You pro-Ariza guys are fucking ridiculous.

Here's a stats comparison:

Rk          Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Trevor Ariza 2008-09  23 82 20 1998 4.9 10.7 .460 1.1 3.4 .319 2.2 3.0 .710 2.0 4.3 6.3 2.6 2.5 0.4 1.6 3.0 13.1
2    Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 1454 4.0  8.9 .446 1.5 4.2 .369 1.0 1.3 .808 2.1 3.4 5.4 1.8 1.2 1.0 1.2 3.4 10.5

I'll take Nic, thanks. Ariza has had one decent year, and even in that season, he's been ultra-mediocre. There is no need to throw loads and loads of cash at this guy.

How did you embed that stat line?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

5 years/$32 mil is comparable to what we spent (wasted?) on Webster. I'm not enthusiastic by any means, but in the grand scheme of things, that is NBA chump change. It might be worth it just to weaken the L*kers!

Webs salary is around $4.5 per, isnt it?

 

[LittleAlex]

Getting Ariza after missing out on Hedo would be like getting kicked in the nuts after being stood up on a dinner date.

Fuck that. Ariza played ok last season, but not all that great. Too much money for too little return.

 

[illmatic99]

Which is his good year? 08-09, when his PER was 15.5? Or 07-08, when his PER was a combined 16.1? Or 06-07, when his PER was 16.2?

He's had three straight solid seasons. Nothing spectacular, but he's only 24 (turned it the day before yesterday) and he's known primarily as a defender, so his above-average PERs are more impressive to me.

I might prefer Ariza over Hedo at a similar price. It's a close call, but I think Ariza's youth, superior defense and superior PER make him a more valuable player.

Ed O.

It's been widely publicized that this year was his breakout season, and his PER was not previously reflective of his actual production. Hell, Orlando traded him Brian Cook.

Hedo can handle the ball, pass, and run the pick and roll as effectively as a guard. He adds a completely new facet to our SF spot and can take defensive pressure away from Roy. Ariza can't. He's primarily a spot up shooter on offense, and a defender who is similar to Batum (DRTG of 102 as opposed to 107 for Nic, or even 104 for Hedo). He's definitely not worth $8 million per year.

5 years/$32 mil is comparable to what we spent (wasted?) on Webster. I'm not enthusiastic by any means, but in the grand scheme of things, that is NBA chump change. It might be worth it just to weaken the L*kers!

Webster received a deal worth $20 million for 4 years. Ariza is rumored to get on in the $32/4 or $40/5 deal. Think Bobby Simmons.

How did you embed that stat line?

Use the ["code"] ["/code"] tags and just paste the stats in between. (take out the quotes)

 

[Mediocre Man]

Thanks I will try this

 

[Mediocre Man]

cool

 

[Mediocre Man]

Per 36 MinutesGlossary ▪ CSV ▪ PRE ▪ Click column headers to sort
Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 
1 Trevor Ariza 2008-09 23 82 20 1998 4.9 10.7 .460 1.1 3.4 .319 2.2 3.0 .710 2.0 4.3 6.3 2.6 2.5 0.4 1.6 3.0 13.1 
2 Nicolas Batum 2008-09 20 79 76 1454 4.0 8.9 .446 1.5 4.2 .369 1.0 1.3 .808 2.1 3.4 5.4 1.8 1.2 1.0 1.2 3.4 10.5 
3 Travis Outlaw 2008-09 24 81 6 2246 6.2 13.6 .453 1.4 3.8 .377 2.8 3.9 .723 1.1 4.2 5.3 1.3 0.8 0.9 1.5 2.7 16.6 
4 Hedo Turkoglu 2008-09 29 77 77 2815 5.4 13.1 .413 1.7 4.8 .356 4.0 5.0 .807 0.6 4.7 5.2 4.8 0.8 0.2 2.6 2.8 16.5 

AdvancedGlossary ▪ CSV ▪ PRE ▪ Click column headers to sort
Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS 
1 Trevor Ariza 2008-09 23 82 1998 15.5 .544 .511 6.4 13.5 10.0 10.4 3.5 0.9 11.5 16.7 112 102 2.6 3.6 6.2 
2 Nicolas Batum 2008-09 20 79 1454 12.9 .555 .532 7.0 11.8 9.4 7.8 1.9 2.2 11.5 14.0 117 107 2.0 1.6 3.5 
3 Travis Outlaw 2008-09 24 81 2246 15.1 .541 .505 3.8 14.6 9.1 6.3 1.2 2.0 8.9 22.0 111 109 2.9 2.1 5.0 
4 Hedo Turkoglu 2008-09 29 77 2815 14.8 .541 .478 1.8 14.2 8.2 22.4 1.2 0.5 14.6 23.0 107 104 3.0 4.4 7.4