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Graduate32 said:
I wonder if Chet will always be more of a regular season player due to his inability to handle physicality. If he is going to survive in the playoffs at his rail thin size, he'd better develop a lot more confidence and "not taking shit" energy.
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I think of Chet as "stretched out Kirilenko." Kirilenko was a great player (he led Russia to a Euroleague title over a stacked Spanish team) but he's mostly remembered for this:

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blazerkor said:
Both Dort and Hartenstein have club options for next season. Those guys would be used to match salaries. I think the picks would be the value the Bucks would receive for Giannis and there are a lot of picks that OKC could trade (you said 10 FRPs). The trade works on ESPN's trade machine.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/33033/luguentz-dort

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/23644/isaiah-hartenstein
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take another look....if the Thunder don't waive Hartenstein & Dort they will be 30M OVER the 2nd apron (40M over if they use their 2026 picks to add players). Meaning: they can't aggregate players in trades for a higher salaried player. This of course is assuming a with 2026-27 numbers

on the other hand, If OKC waives the 3 players with T.O.'s (Hartenstein, Dort, Kenrich Williams), and uses those two 1st round picks to replace, OKC would be over the tax line but under the 1st apron. If OKC waives Hartenstein & Williams, that would clear enough salary to be under the 2nd apron, barely. The problem then are those two 1st round draft picks that as soon as they are announced count against OKC's cap and the 10M would push OKC over the 2nd apron again on July 1

again, this might come down to timing. If they can come up with a trade prior to the draft, or during, or before June 30. they might be able to pick up some options and make a trade. But I don't see where OKC's picks have that great of value anymore, so the Bucks would be demanding a lot of OKC's youth; and OKC will be needing those guys who are talented and on cheap contracts.

and thru all of this you have to account for Giannis's 58.5M salary and what that will do to OKC's cap/tax/apron situation. In fact, it might be that since the season is over now for OKC, the after-trades thresholds the NBA applies might be 2026-27 numbers. If so, OKC is trapped against that 2nd apron again
 
blazerkor said:
As far as I can tell, they don't have those second apron issues until the new league year. Right now they aren't even in the lux tax. So if they're willing to deal with those second apron issues going forward they can make the trade I proposed between now and the draft.
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You're correct there.

I was going with the assumption that Bucks would require either Chet or Williams be part of the trade. Both are currently PPP, which would make it difficult to trade unless it's next season

I just didn't read close enough
 
wizenheimer said:
The problem then are those two 1st round draft picks that as soon as they are announced count against OKC's cap and the 10M would push OKC over the 2nd apron again on July 1
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The cap holds for the picks are already in place. But cap holds will not prevent OKC from making trades

Even after the draft, when a player is traded - it's 'draft rights to XXXX'. There is no salary consideration until after the contract is signed.

Again, I laid out how OKC could do this and send Chet or Williams and still make a legal trade
 
HansenYang said:
The cap holds for the picks are already in place. But cap holds will not prevent OKC from making trades

Even after the draft, when a player is traded - it's 'draft rights to XXXX'. There is no salary consideration until after the contract is signed.

Again, I laid out how OKC could do this and send Chet or Williams and still make a legal trade
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I was responding to the idea about Hartenstein & Dort being part of the trade, and how OKC picking up their options so they could be used as trade ballast would place OKC in 2nd apron hell next season when the incoming salary of Giannis is 58.5M

I've been assuming for quite a while that OKC has finally reached the point in time when they have to pay the piper. I'm assuming they will decline the options on Hartenstein, Dort, and probably Kenrich Williams. Otherwise, if you include their two draft picks OKC would be 60M over the tax line and 40M over the 2nd apron. They could have a 240M tax bill
 
Rastapopoulos said:
All NBA contracts are ridiculous. Chet's fine - he's their second most important player, and I'm including Jalen Williams. Wemby makes everyone look bad.... EXCEPT ROB WILLIAMS III
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Jrue did a number on him too!
 
If you are listening to Stephen A or Tony Kornheiser then you might start believing it's the Knicks year. If you just watched the last three series that the Spurs just played there is reason to believe they are not going away easily.
I don't think Towns has enough D to guard Wemby and we know Wemby can guard Towns.
The Knicks are gritty and a veteran group.
I'm probably as interested in a NBA Finals as I have been in years.

You simply gotta love what you just witnessed and have to see the brilliance in Wemby's game. What I'm looking for is who is going to come along and challenge that.
 
wizenheimer said:
you'd have to get thru Doris Burke first
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Doris has been insufferable no question.
Wembanyama though has earned some of that. That guy is an absolute monster on the court with the fire to win many championships.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
As I've said before: Chet on OKC is Chris Bosh on the Heatles. If you just saw Bosh's Heat career, you'd have no concept of how much he looked like a franchise player in Toronto. Chet could easily be a 20-10 player on another team, he's just an unselfish team player. Shit like this is why unselfish team play is so rare.
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Refusing to shoot more than 2 shots in a game 7 where they need you to deliver is about as selfish as you can get. That’s not team play. Bosh never went 1/2 from field in an elimination game.
 
KingSpeed said:
Refusing to shoot more than 2 shots in a game 7 where they need you to deliver is about as selfish as you can get. That’s not team play. Bosh never went 1/2 from field in an elimination game.
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"Refusing"
:rolleyes:
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Why the fuck would Cleveland do this? Is this supposed to be part of a three-way trade where Cleveland gets Giannis? But Cleveland has already said they're not giving up Mobley for Giannis. And really, I can't see Mobley slowing Wemby down any more than Chet.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So is Chet Holmgren. Y'know, like Dennis Rodman or Draymond Green? Or Chris Bosh in Miami.
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No Chet isn’t. Chris Bosh made it in while in Toronto. You don’t have to be on a championship team to make All NBA and you shouldn’t have to.
 
KingSpeed said:
No Chet isn’t. Chris Bosh made it in while in Toronto. You don’t have to be on a championship team to make All NBA and you shouldn’t have to.
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You're mixing up necessary and sufficient conditions. I agree that you don't have to be on a championship team, but that doesn't mean players on those teams shouldn't make it. Do you believe Bosh got worse in Miami? If Chet went to the Kings and averaged 20 and 10 would you say he magically got better?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You're mixing up necessary and sufficient conditions. I agree that you don't have to be on a championship team, but that doesn't mean players on those teams shouldn't make it. Do you believe Bosh got worse in Miami? If Chet went to the Kings and averaged 20 and 10 would you say he magically got better?
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The thing is if Chet went to the Kings he would average more than 20-10.
 
kjironman1 said:
The thing is if Chet went to the Kings he would average more than 20-10.
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Maybe, maybe not. On one hand, he would get more shots because he would have worse teammates. However, the opponent's defense might be more likely to focus on him than they do now when he plays alongside the MVP of the league. My guess is that his shooting percentage would drop. He gets a lot of wide-open dunks now.
 
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