Bayless is humbled

[B-Roy]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/07/rip_city_revival_jerry_bayless.html

I hope he does well, I really do.

 

[TehChad]

Me too. Bayless is a great kid and he could be a real star for us if he works hard and keeps improving his game.

 

[Tince]

Thanks for the link, I really enjoyed the video. In that interview, he really seemed like a different person.

The true test will be when he hits adversity this season. I think he has the talent to be a major player on this team for a long time.

 

[free_lafrentz]

This is one of the more encouraging Blazer moments i've experienced this offseason. Bayless can be as big a force in this League as he wants. Can't wait to watch him compete this year!

 

[alex42083]

"What some people get caught up in is making this guy or that guy into something," McMillan said. "But I say let's take advantage of what the guy does. So I want to see him play point guard in Vegas, but not necessarily become one. Just play it. If you score, that's fine, but show me you can create things."

Love that quote by Nate. I'm glad they're not going to try to seemingly fit a square peg into a round hole. Just let Jerryd be Jerryd, and let him do what he does best, but make him aware of other things other than scoring.
I hope Bayless makes a big leap this season.

 

[illmatic99]

McMillan said he envisions pairing Bayless and Rudy Fernandez together this season, which will include stretches of Fernandez playing point guard. In fact, a preseason priority for McMillan is to play Fernandez at point guard, which he feels will allow Bayless to use his strength as a scorer.

'Bout time.

 

[PapaG]

Love that quote by Nate. I'm glad they're not going to try to seemingly fit a square peg into a round hole. Just let Jerryd be Jerryd, and let him do what he does best, but make him aware of other things other than scoring.
I hope Bayless makes a big leap this season.

The game @ New Jersey last year showed me he has a future as a legitimate NBA player. Where he plays is an entirely different conversation.

 

[alex42083]

The game @ New Jersey last year showed me he has a future as a legitimate NBA player. Where he plays is an entirely different conversation.

Not a fan of Jerryd's?

 

[PapaG]

Not a fan of Jerryd's?

Position, not location.

 

[alex42083]

Position, not location.

Ah, got it. I can't wait for Jerryd to break out, and then maybe we can lowball him with a two-year extension offer when he wants to be here for four years.

 

[Ed O]

He certainly seems to be saying the right things... of course he did last year, too.

All things considered, of course it's a great attitude for him to take and hopefully he's pointed in the right direction emotionally... because he's going to work hard whichever way he's facing.

Ed O.

 

[mgb]

Reading that made me wonder something. What's the difference between a pick and roll and a screen? Just that the player that sets the screen doesn't roll to the basket?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yay, I am so happy Jerryd learned how to run a break from Blake. He learned to drift to the corner instead of attaking and drawing fouls.



This team just got worse.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yay, I am so happy Jerryd learned how to run a break from Blake. He learned to drift to the corner instead of attaking and drawing fouls.



This team just got worse.

You missed his point. If you play PG in Porland you need to leard how to play "with Roy". You don't want Roy drifting to the 3 pt line. He can still penetrate when the ocassion presents itself.

The Rudy expermeriment will be interesting. If it works you do not need another high priced PG. Bayless, Rudy and Blake will be just fine. They may want to wait in spending their money until they know for sure. (Assuming Utah matches)

 

[Mediocre Man]

You missed his point. If you play PG in Porland you need to leard how to play "with Roy". You don't want Roy drifting to the 3 pt line. He can still penetrate when the ocassion presents itself.

The Rudy expermeriment will be interesting. If it works you do not need another high priced PG. Bayless, Rudy and Blake will be just fine. They may want to wait in spending their money until they know for sure. (Assuming Utah matches)

First of all, Utah will match. I think it's funny that there is a group of people that think they won't. That same group also thinks Portland is going to end up with something out of this.....they won't

Secondly, Bayless played great with Roy on the rare instance he was able to. He played great in the Jersey game, and in that game he attacked the basket a lot.

 

[STOMP]

First of all, Utah will match. I think it's funny that there is a group of people that think they won't. That same group also thinks Portland is going to end up with something out of this.....they won't

if Portland doesn't sign Millsap to this offer sheet, the division rival Jazz resign their stud young PF for much less. Doing so probably forces their hand on other roster questions. You can laugh, but this move is a smart one regardless of whether Utah matches.

STOMP

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

First, I really like Bayless. As a player and a person- he's legit.

Second, I don't see him having much of a career in the NBA. I think he'll drift around, maybe find a team to start on a bit...

He's an undersized SG who probably will never learn to be a true PG. He's a true "tweener", and unless he finds the exact situation with a team, he'll just be one of those talented players that doesn't fit into any role.

Nate has stated repeatedly that he wants a PG who can run the team, effectively run various pick & rolls and push the ball effectively (meaning get a defense on it's heels and thereby creating mismatches off the break, as well as penetrating the paint and making the right decision to either go to the hoop or dishing to the open man)- so far, Bayless has shown he can't do any of those.

Does that mean he can't learn? No, he can learn all those skills, but can he learn tham all well enough to lead a team to the very upper echelon of the NBA? Very unlikley.

I hope the best for him, I really do, but I think he'll be an NBA journeyman player.

 

[Tortimer]

First, I really like Bayless. As a player and a person- he's legit.

Second, I don't see him having much of a career in the NBA. I think he'll drift around, maybe find a team to start on a bit...

He's an undersized SG who probably will never learn to be a true PG. He's a true "tweener", and unless he finds the exact situation with a team, he'll just be one of those talented players that doesn't fit into any role.

Nate has stated repeatedly that he wants a PG who can run the team, effectively run various pick & rolls and push the ball effectively (meaning get a defense on it's heels and thereby creating mismatches off the break, as well as penetrating the paint and making the right decision to either go to the hoop or dishing to the open man)- so far, Bayless has shown he can't do any of those.

Does that mean he can't learn? No, he can learn all those skills, but can he learn tham all well enough to lead a team to the very upper echelon of the NBA? Very unlikley.

I hope the best for him, I really do, but I think he'll be an NBA journeyman player.

I don't agree with anything you posted!!!

 

[oldmangrouch]

First, I really like Bayless. As a player and a person- he's legit.

Second, I don't see him having much of a career in the NBA. I think he'll drift around, maybe find a team to start on a bit...

He's an undersized SG who probably will never learn to be a true PG. He's a true "tweener", and unless he finds the exact situation with a team, he'll just be one of those talented players that doesn't fit into any role.

Nate has stated repeatedly that he wants a PG who can run the team, effectively run various pick & rolls and push the ball effectively (meaning get a defense on it's heels and thereby creating mismatches off the break, as well as penetrating the paint and making the right decision to either go to the hoop or dishing to the open man)- so far, Bayless has shown he can't do any of those.

Does that mean he can't learn? No, he can learn all those skills, but can he learn tham all well enough to lead a team to the very upper echelon of the NBA? Very unlikley.

I hope the best for him, I really do, but I think he'll be an NBA journeyman player.

I'm a bit more optimistic than you, in that I believe he can become a valuable 6th-man type. Becoming at least an average NBA starting PG? I agree with you - that is not a basket I want to risk all my eggs in!

 

[Mediocre Man]

if Portland doesn't sign Millsap to this offer sheet, the division rival Jazz resign their stud young PF for much less. Doing so probably forces their hand on other roster questions. You can laugh, but this move is a smart one regardless of whether Utah matches.

STOMP

I never said it was a dumb move, nor did I laugh at the move. I said it was funny that there are people out there that think they won't match, and even if they do, Portland is going to benefit somehow.

It forces Utah to trade Boozer now rather than later. That's really all it does. Losing him, and replacing him with Millsap doesn't really hurt their team very much. Because they will more than likely have to take some players back for Boozer, actually helps them.

 

[STOMP]

I never said it was a dumb move, nor did I laugh at the move. I said it was funny that there are people out there that think they won't match, and even if they do, Portland is going to benefit somehow.

It forces Utah to trade Boozer now rather than later. That's really all it does. Losing him, and replacing him with Millsap doesn't really hurt their team very much. Because they will more than likely have to take some players back for Boozer, actually helps them.

but if this ultimately forces Utah to move Boozer this offseason, that is something pretty significant for division rival Portland. The reason they move Boozer is for capspace, I don't know how you can suggest that they'll be taking back cheaper players that will help their club. It's almost as big a stretch to suggest that replacing CB with Millsap in the starting line won't hurt them... dude is a starter and an All Star.

If the Jazz are forced to move Boozer for capspace it hurts them big time.

STOMP

 

[Mediocre Man]

but if this ultimately forces Utah to move Boozer this offseason, that is something pretty significant for division rival Portland. The reason they move Boozer is for capspace, I don't know how you can suggest that they'll be taking back cheaper players that will help their club. It's almost as big a stretch to suggest that replacing CB with Millsap in the starting line won't hurt them... dude is a starter and an All Star.

If the Jazz are forced to move Boozer for capspace it hurts them big time.

STOMP

That's just it though. They can't really move him for cap space.

Usa dn OKC are pretty much the only teams that can help them with that....I think. Moving Boozer woul require taking back players. Since they have a very good PF in waiting (Millsap) adding other players to weaker possitions would only help them

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Good read. I like the idea of playing Bayless and Rudy together, with Rudy at PG.

 

[mook]

That's just it though. They can't really move him for cap space.

Usa dn OKC are pretty much the only teams that can help them with that....I think.

That's the whole point, though. Portland really is the only team that would be both able and willing to help them move Boozer for cap space. Extending the contract to Milsap gave Portland this leverage.

Now Utah has to decide if they want to:
1. Swallow their pride and work to upgrade the team that just fucked them over (us), while losing Boozer for what will likely amount to a few scrubs and our cap space
2. Lose Milsap and get nothing back
3. Or pay a ridiculous amount of luxury tax

There's really no good choice here for Utah. #3 seems off the table entirely.

If #1 happens, I have no doubt that Portland media will spin this as "Portland once again failing to get their man."

If #2 happens, I have no doubt that Portland media will spin this as "The Blazers panicking over their failure to get Hedo, they get a redundant backup power forward without addressing any of their PG/SF needs."

Moving Boozer woul require taking back players. Since they have a very good PF in waiting (Millsap) adding other players to weaker possitions would only help them

Assuming they decide to do #1 and move Boozer, I doubt they get anything of value in return. Why would Portland allow them to have anything but table scraps? Portland would probably prefer #2 to happen. If Utah trades Boozer this summer and Portland facilitates it, I'd bet on Utah getting nothing better than 8th men or worse in return. Trading Boozer for that will be a serious downgrade.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That's the whole point, though. Portland really is the only team that would be both able and willing to help them move Boozer for cap space. Extending the contract to Milsap gave Portland this leverage.

Now Utah has to decide if they want to:
1. Swallow their pride and work to upgrade the team that just fucked them over (us), while losing Boozer for what will likely amount to a few scrubs and our cap space
2. Lose Milsap and get nothing back
3. Or pay a ridiculous amount of luxury tax

There's really no good choice here for Utah. #3 seems off the table entirely.

If #1 happens, I have no doubt that Portland media will spin this as "Portland once again failing to get their man."

If #2 happens, I have no doubt that Portland media will spin this as "The Blazers panicking over their failure to get Hedo, they get a redundant backup power forward without addressing any of their PG/SF needs."

Assuming they decide to do #1 and move Boozer, I doubt they get anything of value in return. Why would Portland allow them to have anything but table scraps? Portland would probably prefer #2 to happen. If Utah trades Boozer this summer and Portland facilitates it, I'd bet on Utah getting nothing better than 8th men or worse in return. Trading Boozer for that will be a serious downgrade.

Why does Portland have to be involved at all? They don't have to be, is the answer.

 

[Shooter]

The game @ New Jersey last year showed me he has a future as a legitimate NBA player.

Yep, I was at that game, and I'll never forget his baseline dunk and his screaming afterwards. The guy has real talent, and I can't wait to see it blossom this year.

 

[STOMP]

That's just it though. They can't really move him for cap space.

Usa dn OKC are pretty much the only teams that can help them with that....I think. Moving Boozer woul require taking back players. Since they have a very good PF in waiting (Millsap) adding other players to weaker possitions would only help them

With logic like this I find some humor in you branding others "idiot posters". With or without Millsap on their books, they are over the lux tax line with 4 roster spots left to fill. Retaining PM and not outright dumping Boozer's 12.3M utilizing Portland or the Thunder's cap space somehow will cost them about 18M this season after the lux tax. The Jazz are not a marquee club. Personally I could see Olk. City wanting to add an All-Star low post threat to their lineup. If they trade Boozer to other clubs and need to match salaries, I very much doubt they'll shore up their roster to an equal level... there is a reason teams covet getting the best player in a deal. Millsap is already a step down from Carlos and they'll no longer have him as a quality reserve.

We shall see

STOMP

 

[maxiep]

Why does Portland have to be involved at all? They don't have to be, is the answer.

Well, if Utah doesn't want to pay $12MM in luxury tax and $10.3MM out of pocket, then they do have to deal with us. OKC is saving their cap space; they're not helping Utah. Memphis is using that cap space to going after AI. That leaves us.

 

[mgb]

but if this ultimately forces Utah to move Boozer this offseason, that is something pretty significant for division rival Portland. The reason they move Boozer is for capspace, I don't know how you can suggest that they'll be taking back cheaper players that will help their club. It's almost as big a stretch to suggest that replacing CB with Millsap in the starting line won't hurt them... dude is a starter and an All Star.

If the Jazz are forced to move Boozer for capspace it hurts them big time.

STOMP

I thought the Jazz didn't want Boozer to take his player option for another year? If so they would have lost him for cap space in the first place if it was up to them.

 

[RickyRubio]

Can you people bitch about the Millsap thing in a Millsap thread? Not a Bayless thread?

Anyhow, great interview by Bayless. Good to hear. I hope he plays well this year.