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I dont care if its at PG or SG.. but he needs time on the court.. Blake and Sergio are fine.. but we need to find out if Bayless is the real deal.. I don't want to waste this year of development.

Where can we find Bayless 6-10 minutes a night?

Gotta be Blake.. no reason he should be playing 30 minutes a night while Bayless is getting DNP-CD's.
 
I hope Bayless doesn't become a Jermaine O'Neal. Ride the pine for 3 years then become an All-Star.

I agree with you. He needs to play.

Sad as it sounds, I was almost hoping Roy would have missed a couple games with his back injury.
 
I think it's a temporary thing. Bayless is the future but until the trade deadline I don't expect him to get much PT. I expect either Blake, Sergio or Bayless to be part of the Raef trade package. As long as we are winning I don't care who gets the playing time.
 
BenDavis503 said:
I hope Bayless doesn't become a Jermaine O'Neal. Ride the pine for 3 years then become an All-Star.

I agree with you. He needs to play.

Sad as it sounds, I was almost hoping Roy would have missed a couple games with his back injury.
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Then just mark a bunch of big L's in the column in those games, because the team goes as Roy goes. I don't know why, but he is our leader and has that intangible "it" factor that just gives our team that extra ounce of boost we need in close games. Hopefully, we get a few blowouts at home against OKC, Memphis, LAC, Sacramento, Washington, etc so he can rest and Bayless can get some run.
 
Why mess with a 4-game win streak to get a 19-year-old rookie some PT? We're already struggling to find guys in the rotation enough PT. We don't need an 11-man rotation.
Bayless' time will come. He's just stuck in a crowded situation.
 
When the Blazers start blowing opponents out, Bayless will see the court. It'll happen.

iWatas
 
MAS RipCity said:
Then just mark a bunch of big L's in the column in those games, because the team goes as Roy goes. I don't know why, but he is our leader and has that intangible "it" factor that just gives our team that extra ounce of boost we need in close games. Hopefully, we get a few blowouts at home against OKC, Memphis, LAC, Sacramento, Washington, etc so he can rest and Bayless can get some run.
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yeah that sounds better then Roy injured :)
 
alex42083 said:
Why mess with a 4-game win streak to get a 19-year-old rookie some PT? We're already struggling to find guys in the rotation enough PT. We don't need an 11-man rotation.
Bayless' time will come. He's just stuck in a crowded situation.
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I just hope his time comes with the Blazers and not some other team.
 
Players develop just fine without playing a lot of minutes. Bonzi Wells sat his whole rookie year and turned out just fine (attitude notwithstanding) and Jermaine O'Neal was a problem because he exploded for another team... after getting years of development without playing much as a Blazer.

There's no reason to rush Bayless. Let him work hard and earn minutes.

Ed o.
 
We expected a 19 year old to sit during game time and develop in practice. It will just be Bayless, not Batum. This is the "problem" with consistently adding more young talent.

Pritchard's next proving ground is finding a good "consolidation" trade, where he moves some of the talented parts for a talent that the team can leverage more effectively. Redundancy is nice for injuries and rare times when nothing else is working and your third-string small forward scores 12 points in a quater but, in the end, the top-end talent is what wins championships.
 
Hank The Dwarf said:
Gotta be Blake.. no reason he should be playing 30 minutes a night while Bayless is getting DNP-CD's.
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What he needs to do is get better, then he'll get playing time. Having playing time handed to him wouldn't be very helpful to the team, or even to his long term development.
 
Ed O said:
Players develop just fine without playing a lot of minutes. Bonzi Wells sat his whole rookie year and turned out just fine (attitude notwithstanding) and Jermaine O'Neal was a problem because he exploded for another team... after getting years of development without playing much as a Blazer.

There's no reason to rush Bayless. Let him work hard and earn minutes.

Ed o.
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Did Sergio earn his minutes this year? I find it hard to believe that Sergio has "outworked" Bayless.. its simply an age and experience thing with Nate...

The way I see it is that clearly Bayless is the better project PG than Sergio.. and you can only develop 1 of those guys at a time... I'd pick Bayless over Sergio....

just the way I see it.
 
Hank The Dwarf said:
The way I see it is that clearly Bayless is the better project PG than Sergio.. and you can only develop 1 of those guys at a time... I'd pick Bayless over Sergio....
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IF we could only develop one at a time? I'd choose Bayless, too.

I don't think that's at all true, however.

Playing Sergio in games while letting the teenager work hard in practice, mature physically, and get experience traveling with the team and just being in the NBA seems to be a justifiable path, given the success the team is having, in particular.

Ed O.
 
Hank The Dwarf said:
Did Sergio earn his minutes this year? I find it hard to believe that Sergio has "outworked" Bayless..
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Who knows who has "outworked" who? We're not in practices, so we can't see. The question is, who is the better point guard right now, and I don't find it at all hard to believe that Rodriguez is. He's clearly improved and actually looks good distributing the ball. Bayless is a combo guard and still quite raw, just a year removed from high school. I'd be amazed if Bayless were a better point guard at this point in time and I seriously doubt he is.

The way I see it is that clearly Bayless is the better project PG than Sergio.. and you can only develop 1 of those guys at a time... I'd pick Bayless over Sergio....
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I don't know if Bayless is clearly a better point guard project. He might be. Regardless, I don't think it is at all true that you can only develop one player, per position, at a time. Bayless will develop by practicing and scrimmaging against his teammates, who are NBA players. As Ed noted in a previous post, Bonzi Wells and Jermaine O'Neal developed just fine while riding the pine in games. So did Tayshaun Prince, who barely played in his rookie season.

I want to develop both, to give the team multiple chances to find a great player.
 
Ed O said:
IF we could only develop one at a time? I'd choose Bayless, too.

I don't think that's at all true, however.

Playing Sergio in games while letting the teenager work hard in practice, mature physically, and get experience traveling with the team and just being in the NBA seems to be a justifiable path, given the success the team is having, in particular.

Ed O.
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I guess we simply disagree on the what it means to develop a player.... I don't think sitting and watching from the bench counts.. when Bayless starts to play in the NBA, there will be a learning curve.. that curve starts the day he gets regular minutes and not a second before that.
 
Hank The Dwarf said:
I dont care if its at PG or SG.. but he needs time on the court.. Blake and Sergio are fine.. but we need to find out if Bayless is the real deal.. I don't want to waste this year of development.

Where can we find Bayless 6-10 minutes a night?

Gotta be Blake.. no reason he should be playing 30 minutes a night while Bayless is getting DNP-CD's.
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Depending on the night, I agree. If Blake's playing decently well, I don't see a reason to take him out. Definitely if Blake is struggling though.
 
The mantra of this squad under Nate was always to "earn your minutes". If a rookie was ready (Roy, Rudy) - he played significant minutes, if he was not (LaMarcus, Bayless) he did not. The cream will rise to the top - when Bayless is ready and is better than the other options Nate has - he will see the court.
 
We have a bunch of people that need to play/need more PT... hopefully we can take care of this problem sometime soon. I still think this is the year we see who exactly fits and then make a move this off-season and set our rotation down to 9-10 men.

But what a great freakin' problem to have... complaining about all the people that need to play/more PT riding a 4 game winning streak. Damn, 3 years ago it was sooooooooo different. Thanks KP.

But I think there are some other players in front of Bayless right now that need to play/more play.
 
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I like the idea of Bayless playing with a chip on his shoulders. That just makes him an even more dangerous scorer.
 
Guys it's simple bench/trade Blake that gives Nate no choice he has to play both Sergio and Bayless! ;)
 
it is a long season Bayless will see the court but if we need him to play we are in trouble .
 
MrJayremmie said:
We have a bunch of people that need to play/need more PT... hopefully we can take care of this problem sometime soon. I still think this is the year we see who exactly fits and then make a move this off-season and set our rotation down to 9-10 men.

But what a great freakin' problem to have... complaining about all the people that need to play/more PT riding a 4 game winning streak. Damn, 3 years ago it was sooooooooo different. Thanks KP.

But I think there are some other players in front of Bayless right now that need to play/more play.
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Good post. I agree everything you said. You consolidate now before you know what you have and you will have another Pertovic or Jermaine O'neal scenario. KP can take his time. He is in control not the players.

For me it comes down to one too many PG's
And maybe one too many SF's. I say maybe because I think Travis AND eventually Batum can play a little 4. In that scenario Frye might be the odd man out.

Here is what i would like to see for the future (After this year)

Top 9
Three guard rotation: Roy, Rudy, Bayless
Forwards: LA, Webster, Travis, Batum
Center: Oden, Joel

KP has to decide between one of the SF's and Frye
And one more (Between Sergio, Blake or Koponen) Again demanding few minutes
He will also need to add a big banger at the PF that will demand few minutes. (In case of injuries or bad match ups)

So really no trades are needed. No reason to bring someone in that will want big minutes. You all can dream all you want for a blockbuster trade.
 
If Nate thinks Bayless NEEDS to play now, that's what the D League is for.
 
consolidation trade? How about...

Bayless/Blake/Outlaw/Frye/Raef for Nash/Diaw/Hill

Diaw is hated in Phoenix (as is his contract) for being non-aggressive, but he hasn't been utilized properly and could use a kick in the pants. He is, however a guy who plays the right way. Steve would really help our bigs develop and make us a championship contender immediately, however I'm not sure I'd make this move (as we give up a ton) definite consolidation.

Nash/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Hill/Batum
Aldridge/Diaw
Oden/Pryzbilla

As Hill, Nash, and Diaw expire (consecutively) more and more of our core is left to carry the load. Even if Nash was a two year "rental" the contributions in helping our other players awareness in running the court and feeding the bigs with easy buckets/rewarding cutters would be invaluable over the next 8-10 years IMO. It would also really accelerate Roy's development in playing off the ball and cutting (which is the next logical thing to add in his game, and properly utilize our bigs) and make him an even more dangerous player.
 
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yeah i wonder why we dont send bayless down to d-league? he would dominate there
 
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shamelessblazer said:
consolidation trade? How about...

Blake/Outlaw/Frye/Raef for Nash/Diaw/Hill

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You are joking right? Don't you think its a little lopsided? Switch Bayless for Blake and Maybe the Suns would not laugh out loud.
 
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Hank The Dwarf said:
I dont care if its at PG or SG.. but he needs time on the court.. Blake and Sergio are fine.. but we need to find out if Bayless is the real deal.. I don't want to waste this year of development.

Where can we find Bayless 6-10 minutes a night?

Gotta be Blake.. no reason he should be playing 30 minutes a night while Bayless is getting DNP-CD's.
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sure there is... Bayless is probably a future starter, but the PG needs to know how to be a coach on the floor and Nate has him right where he wants him for the lessons on how to be his coach... and Blake is an excellent mentor IMO. Once JB takes over he probably won't be heading back to the bench for a while. I expect him to start getting regular PT early in 2009 probably at Blake's expense. It's going to happen, let it.

STOMP
 
Good news for Bayless:
Bayless would completely destroy Sergio in a game of 1-on-1.

Bad news for Bayless:
It's a 5-on-5 game.

I'm hopeful that Bayless will continue to improve in practice and become better than Sergio
at 5-on-5 too! I'd like to see JB takeover starting PG 20 or so games before the end of the
season! But.... I want him to deserve it. Right now he doesn't.

I'd like to see Batum takeover the starting spot from Webster later in the season too!!
JB+Roy+Batum+LMA+Oden = pretty D-A-R-N good defensive team!
 
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