Bayless Proved To Me...

[ABM]

....during the Boston game that he deserves more minutes.

Sergio has had more than enough chances. It's Jerryd's turn. Plus, Bayless plays better defense (see Rondo). I think Sergio has witnessed too many bull fights.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Why does Bayless need Sergio's minutes? Seems that Sergio has a role he's playing decently in, getting better the more he plays in it, and building a rapport with the second unit. Bayless plays almost exclusively with the first unit in practice.

As the Devil's Advocate, Bayless also proved that he could go 0-4 with 4 turnovers in 15 minutes. Does that factor into the thinking at all?

 

[ABM]

As the Devil's Advocate, Bayless also proved that he could go 0-4 with 4 turnovers in 15 minutes. Does that factor into the thinking at all?

When I factor in that Bayless is a rookie, with marginal minutes, waged against a 3rd year player? Not really.

 

[alex42083]

Yeah, Bayless brought it defensively. He was up in the faces of Allen and Pierce, and didn't back down which was nice to see.
You can tell he was still a little nervous offensively, as many of passes were deflected. But that's part of his growth in running a team which can't be easy in your first meaningful mins against the world champs. It's a tough call, and maybe with Brandon out, we might get a clearer picture.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Bayless has a new nick name- Mr. Turnover.

Yeah, let's let this clueless rookie average 12 TO's per game.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I didn't hate what I saw from Jerryd in the Boston game, he seemed to play about like I expected a rookie with 20+ DNPs under his belt: His first half was pretty forgettable and his shot was off, but by the second half I thought he did a decent job of getting dribble penetration and finding the open man, and he definitely has the strength to keep from getting posted up, but I don't know that anybody should be using what we saw in the Boston game as evidence that he either should or shouldn't be getting Chacho's minutes -- I definitely need to see a little more consistency if gets on the court again.

 

[ABM]

Bayless has a new nick name- Mr. Turnover.

Hey, I thought that already was Frye's nickname?

One recent game, I'm almost certain that Channing had, like 4 turnovers in the span of just a few minutes play. They was butt ugly lowlights, I tell ya!

 

[alex42083]

Bayless has a new nick name- Mr. Turnover.

Yeah, let's let this clueless rookie average 12 TO's per game.

And give Channing Frye 25-30 mins a game, right?

 

[ABM]

...I definitely need to see a little more consistency if gets on the court again.

If Roy doesn't play tomorrow night, there's a good chance Jerryd will get some legit run.

 

[ucatchtrout]

Why does Bayless need Sergio's minutes? Seems that Sergio has a role he's playing decently in, getting better the more he plays in it, and building a rapport with the second unit. Bayless plays almost exclusively with the first unit in practice.

As the Devil's Advocate, Bayless also proved that he could go 0-4 with 4 turnovers in 15 minutes. Does that factor into the thinking at all?

Exactly.

Two assists for four turnovers doesn't show me that the Boston game earned him more PT. I was surprised Nate left him in there as long as he did. He wasn't making shots, his defense wasn't that freaking good, he wasn't making plays for others and he was a turnover machine.

 

[alex42083]

Exactly.

Two assists for four turnovers doesn't show me that the Boston game earned him more PT. I was surprised Nate left him in there as long as he did. He wasn't making shots, his defense wasn't that freaking good, he wasn't making plays for others and he was a turnover machine.

Reminds me of people putting way too much stock in Greg's first game back at Miami, where he had 3 points, 2 boards, 2 TOs in 16 mins. And now a couple months later, he's showing some signs.

Are we putting Jerryd down in his first meaningful PT of the season? He was up in the faces of every guy he guarded from Allen and Pierce. He got a few fouls but that was because he was being aggressive on D.
His jump shot is still shaky, as like with any 19-year-old rookie. But he led that one break for LMA's dunk, he had two assists, a board and a steal.

He's certainly not deserving of Sergio's backup PG mins yet, but to say he was a total liability out there based on what you see in the box score is completely false.

 

[number 10]

I wonder if a run of a few games in Idaho would benefit him, help him get those jitters out of the way.

 

[Further]

I will be very interested to see how Bayless handles Paul tonight if Roy is out. If he can put a dent in Pauls output, then he will deserve more burn.

 

[Minstrel]

Exactly.

Two assists for four turnovers doesn't show me that the Boston game earned him more PT. I was surprised Nate left him in there as long as he did. He wasn't making shots, his defense wasn't that freaking good, he wasn't making plays for others and he was a turnover machine.

Such problems are to be expected from a player completely unused to NBA speed. Yanking him for another 20 games isn't going to allow him to adjust to the speed of the professional game.

From the first half to the second half, it seemed clear to me that he was starting to adjust. That's enough for me to believe that he deserves more time, especially since he wouldn't be taking the time from anyone great. The cost (losing some Sergio minutes) isn't very high and the possible reward (having a guard solid on both ends of the court by the end of the season) is quite high.

 

[MIXUM]

he proved he needs dleague badly

 

[ucatchtrout]

Are we putting Jerryd down in his first meaningful PT of the season? .

No, we are responding to the person who said his play was so wonderful that he should now be given Sergios minutes.

His play was NOT so wonderful that he should be given Sergios minutes. Several people besides myself have pointed out why.

He simply is not ready for the prime time yet. He may one day become the biggest thing to hit town since sliced bread itself. But that day is not now. He clearly is a fine young man, who has worked very hard to fit in, be a professional, and learn what he needs to to be a success in this game. Everything about him says that he will one day be a quality player. Good luck to him. But that will be then and this is now. And as far as now is concerned....he isn't ready YET.

 

[ucatchtrout]

I will be very interested to see how Bayless handles Paul tonight if Roy is out. If he can put a dent in Pauls output, then he will deserve more burn.

If Roy returns.... Bayless returns to the bench.

If and when Bayless guards Paul he and his fans will learn what everyone else has....no ONE player can guard Chris Paul. IF we play good team defense we can contain him. Thats the best anyone can hope for.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I wonder if a run of a few games in Idaho would benefit him, help him get those jitters out of the way.

An excellent idea. Nobody questions his potential. He just needs to learn the skills of a PG. I think some time in the D-league would help a lot.

 

[Natebishop3]

An excellent idea. Nobody questions his potential. He just needs to learn the skills of a PG. I think some time in the D-league would help a lot.

Okay, and if he goes to the D league and dominates, like he did in the summer league, then what? He comes back, has trouble adjusting to the NBA because he hasn't gotten meaningful time to learn the pro game, and then goes back to the bench. The only way Jerryd is going to improve is with playing time. He's a rookie point guard. He's making rookie mistakes. The only way to get a feel for the speed of the game is to play. He already showed what he's capable of. He showed he has talent. Now he needs a real opportunity to show what he can do at the pro level.

 

[Nikolokolus]

An excellent idea. Nobody questions his potential. He just needs to learn the skills of a PG. I think some time in the D-league would help a lot.

This sort of contradicts KP's goals for him. I don't remember where I read/heard it, but the issue with Jerryd according to management is that he needs to learn to play with good/great players. I have a feeling that if you send him to Idaho he's just going to go all Stephon Marbury/Gilbert Arenas on everyone's ass, just like he did in Summer League.

 

[alex42083]

No, we are responding to the person who said his play was so wonderful that he should now be given Sergios minutes.

His play was NOT so wonderful that he should be given Sergios minutes. Several people besides myself have pointed out why.

He simply is not ready for the prime time yet. He may one day become the biggest thing to hit town since sliced bread itself. But that day is not now. He clearly is a fine young man, who has worked very hard to fit in, be a professional, and learn what he needs to to be a success in this game. Everything about him says that he will one day be a quality player. Good luck to him. But that will be then and this is now. And as far as now is concerned....he isn't ready YET.

It's a way too small sample size to automatically make that conclusion. I agree that he doesn't deserve the backup PG minutes yet, but to discount him based on the game against Boston is short-sighted. To send him to the D League is an even worse idea.

The only way he's going to become that "quality player one day" is not by sitting on the bench. I fully expect him to return to the bench full-time when Brandon comes back, but to call this guy Mr. Turnover and basically a liability on the court and not doing anything well, is a harsh criticism on the guy for his first meaningful action, comparing it again to how people reacted to Greg's first game back against Miami.

 

[ABM]

He clearly is a fine young man, who has worked very hard to fit in, be a professional, and learn what he needs to to be a success in this game. Everything about him says that he will one day be a quality player. Good luck to him. But that will be then and this is now. And as far as now is concerned....he isn't ready YET.

I hear ya. In fact, I'm thinking Clyde behind Jimmy P, as I type this out.

 

[Da_O]

Sounds like a lot of the people in this thread only looked up the box score other than actually watching the game. The only way he can get better is if he plays. I'm not saying to take away Sergio's minutes but Bayless should be getting more opportunities especially with his upside and the fact that we traded up to get him.

The kid's shot wasn't falling but he was hustling out there and playing good defense. The mistakes are also something that will go down with more playing time.

 

[number 10]

This sort of contradicts KP's goals for him. I don't remember where I read/heard it, but the issue with Jerryd according to management is that he needs to learn to play with good/great players. I have a feeling that if you send him to Idaho he's just going to go all Stephon Marbury/Gilbert Arenas on everyone's ass, just like he did in Summer League.

I agree with that, but for me the biggest problem about his performance against the Celtics was the traveling, the stupid pass out of bounds, things like that. It's completely understandable that, given that he's been on the bench for while, but maybe a couple of D League games could get him back into game shape, and give his confidence a boost as well (not that there's really any problems there).

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Sounds like a lot of the people in this thread only looked up the box score other than actually watching the game. The only way he can get better is if he plays. I'm not saying to take away Sergio's minutes but Bayless should be getting more opportunities especially with his upside and the fact that we traded up to get him.

The kid's shot wasn't falling but he was hustling out there and playing good defense. The mistakes are also something that will go down with more playing time.

That's a myth. And a lousy one at that.

He gets better in practice. If he proves in practice that he is our #3 PG and #3 SG, then why would putting him on the floor to suck and help us lose games the right thing to do?

Also, I've either been at or watched every game. He does a pretty poor job when he plays. So, help me out here- how does that earn him more playing time?

 

[Natebishop3]

That's a myth. And a lousy one at that.

He gets better in practice. If he proves in practice that he is our #3 PG and #3 SG, then why would putting him on the floor to suck and help us lose games the right thing to do?

Also, I've either been at or watched every game. He does a pretty poor job when he plays. So, help me out here- how does that earn him more playing time?

A myth? We saw the exact same thing with Jermaine O'Neal.

 

[MAS RipCity]

man some of you guys are really clueless.
It was his first MEANINGFUL action all year long. Do you actually realize how hard it is to just get thrown in the game? He has well over 20 DNP's this year. he just needs time. Greg looked terrible his 1st couple of outings too, but we saw flashes..I saw those same flashes with Bayless. He is a big time player and will be as long as we don't go Jermaine O'Neal on him.
The DLeague would be a terrible idea. Like Bishop said, it would be the same as summer league. He needs run against the NBA!

 

[BBert]

Sorry ABM, but IMO Bayless is NOT ready for Sergio's minutes. He has shown me nothing to indicate he deserves more minutes when Brandon comes back. His defense is overall pretty good, but his offense and ability to run the team like a PG is not. I believe he'll get there soon enough, but he's not there now. I think Nate should keep him on a short leash until then, and really make him fight for it. I think some patience for a 20-year-old rookie is in order.

 

[barfo]

A myth? We saw the exact same thing with Jermaine O'Neal.

The difference is that the guys ahead of Jerm (Sheed, BGrant) were way better players than Blake and Sergio.

Jermaine was stuck. Bayless isn't - he can earn his way out. He doesn't have to be an all-star to get time, he just has to be better than Blake and Sergio. Since Nate pretty much hates Sergio, I have to think Bayless just hasn't earned it yet.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

I'd rank this as Bayless's worst game defensively, and besides a very nice drive and dish while playing SG he was completely absent at the PG position. The team fell apart when he came in ahead of Sergio and immediately got it back together when Sergio took over at PG and Bayless moved to SG.

He's a friggin' SG so get a clue. He doesn't talk to the team and direct them, he doesn't set picks and screens for them. For him to get PT that will help us it will have to come out of Roy or Rudy or Blake or TO's pocket.

Is he good enough for that? No evidence so far.

As for getting in Pierce's face, which happened only once and because Bayless erred and switched on a pick, Pierce drilled a shot right over him. I never saw him anywhere near Allen or Rondo when it counted.

I think Bayless will be a very good to great SG in a few years, but he's nowhere near understanding the NBA game yet. And with Roy and Rudy here I never see him as a starter except maybe in one of Nate's "smallball" attempts, which usually fail.