Bayless traded for Jack .... AGAIN?

[Boise Blazer]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5828835

The New Orleans Hornets and Toronto Raptors are in serious discussions on a five-player trade that would send Peja Stojakovic and Jerryd Bayless to the Raptors for Jarrett Jack, David Andersen and Marcus Banks, a source told ESPN.com Saturday.

I wonder what the record for being traded for the same guy is?

And on a side note I wonder how much say Monty has in this and if so what does that say about Bayless.

 

[julius]

I thought players who were just traded couldn't be traded with other players?

 

[Entity]

They could make it into two deals.

 

[illmatic99]

I thought players who were just traded couldn't be traded with other players?

It would have to be done with two separate deals.

Jerryd for TE.
Peja for Jack, Banks, Anderson.

Pretty easy loophole, because TOR has a trade exception.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That would please Chris Paul - he and Jack have been buddies for a while.

 

[BigVolcano]

I've seen you guys were pretty high on Bayless but I've read from other places that he is just a crappier version of Jack. I like the trade for us considering Peja is expiring but how good is Bayless?

 

[craigehlo]

That's a strange deal for the Hornets. Doesn't really make them a lot better and they are giving up a nice trade asset in Peja's contract early on.

 

[DeanMoriarty]

Damn, this would not bode well for my fantasy team. Jack would score and facilitate less on the Hornets.

 

[MIXUM]

bizarre trade.... bayless is a scorer. thats it. im sure he will have a few 20 point games but hes really nothing more then a poor sg living in a pg's body

on a side not... raptor fans will get a dose of "the bayless look" which is him brooding on the bench looking like the coach just said "id rather have sergio then you bayless"

 

[Public Defender]

I've seen you guys were pretty high on Bayless but I've read from other places that he is just a crappier version of Jack. I like the trade for us considering Peja is expiring but how good is Bayless?

Jack and Bayless are pretty different. Jack is more of a real point guard, just not a terribly good one. Bayless is a shooting guard in a point guard's body.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I've seen you guys were pretty high on Bayless but I've read from other places that he is just a crappier version of Jack. I like the trade for us considering Peja is expiring but how good is Bayless?

If Toronto is getting him to be an undersized foul magnet (at both ends) then he can a pretty effective "two" guard ... as long as he can dominate the ball. If you are expecting him to distribute, run a team or otherwise appear as a point guard you might not be real pleased.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

I like the trade for both teams.

Peja is not getting much playing time in NO and Jack is a better fit for them. Saves them alittle bit of money this year, but have to pay Jack in the future.

Toronto gets cap room next year. They are going to have a difficult time making a player of Bayless, but they are not going anywhere for awhile anyway. Peja may like Toronto and they could use some veterans that embrace the city.

The NO pick is going to be crap.

 

[jlprk]

As I've said before, Bayless will have a career track like Telfair.

 

[jlprk]

Jack and Bayless are pretty different. Jack is more of a real point guard, just not a terribly good one. Bayless is a shooting guard in a point guard's body.

...just a terribly bad one.

 

[james3921]

looks like its a done deal, according to Yahoo! Sports.

 

[craigehlo]

I like this move since stops the Hornets from trading Peja's contract at the deadline for an impact player. I think Toronto will just let Peja's come off the books for the $$$ savings.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I LOVE this trade. It doesn't really make the Hornets significantly better this season and it takes away their biggest trade asset in Peja's expiring contract. If they settle for Jarrett Jack for PSEC it eliminates the possibility of actually landing a true impact player as the trade deadline approaches.

For example, it takes them out of the running for landing a player like Andre Iguodala. Iguodala would make the Hornets much better this season and for years to come. A starting backcourt of CP3 and Iggy would be great. Think how much better that would make them at both ends of the court than their current starting SG - Marco Belinelli. Paul makes Belinelli look like a legitimate NBA player. Think how Iguodala would thrive playing with Paul.

And, that's just one possibility. A $15.3 million expiring contract is a significant trade asset. I can't believe they've paid Peja all that money over the past 4+ season, gotten basically one mediocre season out of him and are now willing to give up his expiring contract for Jarrett Jack. But hey, I'm all for it.

As for Toronto, who cares? I mean really. Sure this gives them Peja's expiring contract that may help them rebuild sooner, but Bargnani and Calderon both having ridiculously huge contracts and they have no young talent to build around, it's not like they are going to be decent anytime soon.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Damnit! We could have had Jack!

 

[MIXUM]

why dont we ever improve? we just sit back and watch

 

[MARIS61]

Huge improvement for the Bumblebees.

Raptors giving up on the season.

 

[MIXUM]

some twitter thoughts from simmons and stein who are gaga over this trade...


sportsguy33
@STEIN_LINE_HQ Don't agree that Peja's expiring was an asset. Best-case trade scenario... J-Rich? Diaw? I'd rather have Jack + saved $$$$.
half a minute ago via web

STEIN_LINE_HQ
I'm told Raps, meantime, did deal w/intent to play my man Peja. But deadline is 90-odd days away. No shock if his expiring deal moved again
2 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

sportsguy33
I think Bayless just realized his NBA destiny: good stats on an awful team. RT @buruzoth what's your reaction for the Raptors?
5 minutes ago via web

STEIN_LINE_HQ
But Hornets DID give up first-rounder for Bayless and now part w/Peja asset. Must see getting under tax line/adding Jack as too-tasty combo
7 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

SpearsNBAYahoo
Since Bayless can't be included in a multi-player deal prior to Dec. 23, its two deals with Bayless for Andersen and Peja for Jack & Banks.
13 minutes ago via TweetDeck

STEIN_LINE_HQ
No chemistry concerns for red-Hornets because A) I'm told Bayless was not fitting in so hot and B) Jarrett Jack, as stated, beloved by CP3
13 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

sportsguy33
That Hornets trade was brilliant. Saved them serious cash ($11m including tax) + Jack will really help them as a 3rd guard. Kudos to Demps.
14 minutes ago via web

 

[MIXUM]

STEIN_LINE_HQ
@sportsguy33 Unless sale of Hornets finally goes through and new owner would have said in JAN or FEB: "OK. I will absorb Iguodala contract."
2 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

wtf????

 

[THE HCP]

From NOLA to Toronto......... couldn't find 2 more different cities if you tried!

 

[barfo]

From NOLA to Toronto......... couldn't find 2 more different cities if you tried!

Hong Kong and Molalla.

barfo

 

[VanillaGorilla]

JBay_4
Well this might gave been the craziest month of my life

 

[KingSpeed]

Amazing. New Orleans gave up on him fast. I'm still waiting for him to score 18-20 ppg....

 

[Boob-No-More]

Amazing. New Orleans gave up on him fast.

It's not like Monty didn't know what he was getting with Bayless. I think this move is really part of a total mindest change in NO. Thanks to their good start, it's like they are suddenly in a "Win Now" rather than a "Build for the Future" mode. So, I guess they'd rather have a proven vet like Jack than a younger prospect like Bayless. With a young guy, you always worry they will make a dumb turnover at a critical moment that will cost you a game. But, isn't that kind of what Jarrett Jack is known for?

I'm still waiting for him to score 18-20 ppg....

He already did - in summer league.

BNM

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Jarrett Jack on steroids says Kevin Pritchard.

In reality, his ceiling is Tony Delk.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Raptors giving up on the season.

The Raptors gave up on the season on July 8 when Chris Bosh announced he was hitching a ride on the Coat Tail Express and following his buddy LeBron to Miami.

Toronto missed the play-offs the last two seasons (in the East, no less) WITH Bosh. Did anyone think they actually had a chance to make the play-offs without him? No. They are in total rebuilding mode - and will be for quite some time.

BNM

 

[ABM]

Dang, poor JB. From one of the best teams to one of the worst................and out of the country, no less!