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What more does Cashman need to see in order to release this guy? Between this year and last year in 465 plate appearances the guy is batting .162. He hits a homer once in a while and then proceeds to go on an 0-20 ride to hell. He's an automatic out who just continuously kills this lineup and kills innings. It's really just enough.
 
...time to put that lame horse down.

The 7-8-9 spots this year are hitting .210 .193 .198 ...can't keep doing this.
 
It's time for Refsnyder. I'd rather deal with his adjustment to the majors than continue to watch Drew's garbage.
 
...Refsnyder probably should have started the year at 2B...I think I prefer him over Pirela. Bird also should have started the year on the roster...Garrett Jones sux.

...fwiw, I also wouldn't mind seeing Judge on the roster.
 
Messiah717 said:
What more does Cashman need to see in order to release this guy? Between this year and last year in 465 plate appearances the guy is batting .162. He hits a homer once in a while and then proceeds to go on an 0-20 ride to hell. He's an automatic out who just continuously kills this lineup and kills innings. It's really just enough.
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I was just about to post this Vic. I mean seriously no more excuses, his 162 average last season was due to no spring training, well this year he's not only had a FULL ST but has also been given every chance by Girardi to succeed by being in the lineup 5-6 times a week. Its time for this to end, the guy just can hit anymore. Plain & simple. But don't be surprised to see his name in the lineup again tonight.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Refsnyder probably should have started the year at 2B...I think I prefer him over Pirela. Bird also should have started the year on the roster...Garrett Jones sux.

...fwiw, I also wouldn't mind seeing Judge on the roster.
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I agree on Refsnyder, and hope that we see him soon because Drew is terrible and has gotten plenty of opportunity to continue to prove it.

Hard to say Garrett Jones sucks. I feel for the guy. Hasn't had a chance to do anything and really could benefit from hitting in YS.
 
...Garrett Jones.... .235 .278 .353 .631 He was at .150 .171 .225 .396 before finally going on a 6-11 streak to get him to where he is.

...for a supposed power hitting 1Bman, it sounds like classic suckage to me. ...I'm sure Bird would have been an improvement.
 
Messiah717 said:
It's time for Refsnyder. I'd rather deal with his adjustment to the majors than continue to watch Drew's garbage.
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I think we all would... Drew sucks... was another classic Cashman mistake...
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Garrett Jones.... .235 .278 .353 .631 He was at .150 .171 .225 .396 before finally going on a 6-11 streak to get him to where he is.

...for a supposed power hitting 1Bman, it sounds like classic suckage to me. ...I'm sure Bird would have been an improvement.
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In fairness he was getting no playing time early.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Garrett Jones.... .235 .278 .353 .631 He was at .150 .171 .225 .396 before finally going on a 6-11 streak to get him to where he is.

...for a supposed power hitting 1Bman, it sounds like classic suckage to me. ...I'm sure Bird would have been an improvement.
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Isn't this kind of proving my point; if a warm stretch in 11 at-bats can have that much impact on his average, he's just not getting enough at-bats. I bet he has a fraction of Drew's at-bats. And now, when he gets a shot at the plate you know he's making saw dust. I'd like to see him get closer to 200 at-bats, heck even 100, before making an assessment on him. Somebody I can comfortably make an assessment on now is Drew. He should be the backup infielder/defensive replacement.
 
... sorry, I don't see how 11 anomalous ABs are any more indicative of how good of a hitter he is than the other 40 ABs.

...he was terrible in ST too (9 for 51) (.176) ...with no HRs. The guy is 34 and his numbers just aren't very good...especially for a 1Bman.


...c'mon bern, you can't really want to see Jones as the backup 1Bman vs seeing Greg Bird develop.
 
Messiah717 said:
In fairness he was getting no playing time early.
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...well, he's merely a backup, so he's not gonna get much playing time.

...and again, part of the reason is probably because he also was so terrible in ST...which is why I said Greg Bird Should have been given the backup job.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...c'mon bern, you can't really want to see Jones as the backup 1Bman vs seeing Greg Bird develop.
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My point stands that I don't feel it's fair to bury Jones based on this years body of work, but you're correct. Give me Bird as a backup 1B and Refs as the starting 2B right now please. You want to keep Drew as a backup infielder/defensive replacement? Fine, but I'm ready to see all of the young guys. I really like seeing Pirela, JR Murphy, Heathcott and maybe Lindgren soon. That is new for this organization…lately anyway. Bird, Judge, maybe Severino as September call ups and there's a hopeful trend.

I always say that if my sons were ever blessed enough to be drafted by a major league team, I'd hate for it to be the Yankees. Man, I'd love for that to change.
 
...yeah, I think they gradually got into a rut of simply trying to throw money at problems and buying FA talent instead of developing it.

...for the first time in many many years, I don't have at least one player that I really look at as emblematic of the franchise.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Garrett Jones.... .235 .278 .353 .631 He was at .150 .171 .225 .396 before finally going on a 6-11 streak to get him to where he is.

...for a supposed power hitting 1Bman, it sounds like classic suckage to me. ...I'm sure Bird would have been an improvement.
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I don't think they wanted Bird getting as few ABs as Jones is getting in his role, unless you would prefer a DH platoon with Arod, or platooning with Tex?

If Arod goes down with an injury, they'll use Beltran much more at DH and use others in some kind of DH/RF rotation.

The only time -imo - we're going to see Bird play at least semi-regularly this year is if Tex goes down with a LONG term injury.


And maybe, possibly, Jones' little improvement is a result of getting just a few more ABs?
 
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...uhhh, no...like I pointed out, Jones had more ABs in ST and sucked ... he played in 5 games in a row in April and had 27 ABs in April, and sucked. Last time I checked 78 ABs is more than 11.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...yeah, I think they gradually got into a rut of simply trying to throw money at problems and buying FA talent instead of developing it.

...for the first time in many many years, I don't have at least one player that I really look at as emblematic of the franchise.
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Its really gotten to the point where any inning that Drew is due to bat in, we're only getting 2 legit outs because Drew is as close to automatic that I've ever seen from a major league hitter.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...uhhh, no...like I pointed out, Jones had more ABs in ST and sucked ... he played in 5 games in a row in April and had 27 ABs in April, and sucked. Last time I checked 78 ABs is more than 11.
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ST? Bird? 27 ABs in April?

Okay, looks like this is over.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...uhhh, no...like I pointed out, Jones had more ABs in ST and sucked ... he played in 5 games in a row in April and had 27 ABs in April, and sucked. Last time I checked 78 ABs is more than 11.
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Beltran has had 140 ABs and has sucked. He rode a hitting streak of singles for the most part and there's very little power. The fact is Jones has been hot of late so he should get some more time now. Especially now that Young has come back down to earth.
 
yankeesince59 said:
... sorry, I don't see how 11 anomalous ABs are any more indicative of how good of a hitter he is than the other 40 ABs.

...he was terrible in ST too (9 for 51) (.176) ...with no HRs. The guy is 34 and his numbers just aren't very good...especially for a 1Bman.


...c'mon bern, you can't really want to see Jones as the backup 1Bman vs seeing Greg Bird develop.
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Oh, finally.
An answer on where Bird is going to get the playing time this year to develop.

We play him.......WHERE?.......how OFTEN?

I must've missed it....my bad.
 
blgridesagain said:
Oh, finally.
An answer on where Bird is going to get the playing time this year to develop.

We play him.......WHERE?.......how OFTEN?

I must've missed it....my bad.
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The "plan" doesn't account for Tex to get injured?
 
blgridesagain said:
Oh, finally.
An answer on where Bird is going to get the playing time this year to develop.

We play him.......WHERE?.......how OFTEN?

I must've missed it....my bad.
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...uhhh, as opposed to the savior known as Garrett fucking Jones?...you know, the one whose praises you were singing before the season began.

...what part of "back up 1Bman" don't you understand?

...Bird will better "develop" facing major league pitching vs facing minor league pitching, no?



...your Baseball education is never-ending.
 
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Hell, its considered the proper thing to do, shooting horses, to put them out of their misery........

Why doesn't any of this apply to Drew? He is at least a Horses Ass.....who never should of been even looked at last year, let alone signed........!!! IMO........!

:deadhorse: Damn it, he's still moving........
 
Messiah717 said:
Beltran has had 140 ABs and has sucked. He rode a hitting streak of singles for the most part and there's very little power. The fact is Jones has been hot of late so he should get some more time now. Especially now that Young has come back down to earth.
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...what?...during his hit steak Beltran was 20 for 60 with 3 doubles and 3 HRs. That's considerably better than Jones' "power".
 
yankeesince59 said:
...what?...during his hit steak Beltran was 20 for 60 with 3 doubles and 3 HRs. That's considerably better than Jones' "power".
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Given what's expected and needed of him Beltran has failed miserably. A concern on top of that is Young is free falling. That being said Drew continuously being in the lineup is completely ridiculous.
 
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