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...I'm sure he had his reasons and he obviously knows things we don't...I was just wondering why.
 
...fwiw, just because I don't understand some decisions doesn't mean I think Joe is an idiot.

...there's a reason why he's in the dugout and I'm sitting here banging away on a laptop and second guessing him.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I'm sure he had his reasons and he obviously knows things we don't...I was just wondering why.
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Of course he has his reasons, like he has with all the clownish moves he makes.....................he's an idiot. And with all due respect Ron, there's just no way that you or anyone else is going to convince me that this guy deserves to manage a baseball team.

On a positive note we may actually pull this game out.
 
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...sorry rick, but Girardi is anything but an idiot.

...can you name ONE manager that has never been second guessed by fans who think they know more about the players and the game by watching it on a TV and hiding behind a computer?

...is Joe the greatest manager ever?...probably not, but referring to him as "an idiot" makes no sense at all.
 
Beyond baseball he's actually a very well educated and intelligent man. I have to be honest I don't really have problems with how he manages the club. A collection of trash with two legit starting pitches is one game above .500.
 
Messiah717 said:
Beyond baseball he's actually a very well educated and intelligent man. I have to be honest I don't really have problems with how he manages the club. A collection of trash with two legit starting pitches is one game above .500.
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Bingo, he's is the right man for the job, the only other individual I'd like to see manage the Yankees has a job in Baltimore.
 
Messiah717 said:
Beyond baseball he's actually a very well educated and intelligent man. I have to be honest I don't really have problems with how he manages the club. A collection of trash with two legit starting pitches is one game above .500.
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...didn't he go to Northwestern?
 
...thought so...and yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it's a 2-way street. Opinions can be questioned by others...that's pretty much the crux of a message board.

...wouldn't make much sense if everyone agreed on everything.
 
BS in Industrial Engineering, his brothers are Doctors, must be some good genes in that family. Personally I think Girardi is under rated as a manager given what he was handed last year and doing what he did.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...thought so...and yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it's a 2-way street. Opinions can be questioned by others...that's pretty much the crux of a message board.

...wouldn't make much sense if everyone agreed on everything.
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For sure. That's why it also seems like sports talk radio guys always take the against the norm stance. If they agreed with all the callers what kind of show would it be?
 
yankeesince59 said:
...thought so...and yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it's a 2-way street. Opinions can be questioned by others...that's pretty much the crux of a message board.

...wouldn't make much sense if everyone agreed on everything.
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Wait...are we talking about uninfringed 1st Amendment rights?

Sorry, not for Rick until he shows the rest of the Bill of Rights love too.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...sorry rick, but Girardi is anything but an idiot.

...can you name ONE manager that has never been second guessed by fans who think they know more about the players and the game by watching it on a TV and hiding behind a computer?

...is Joe the greatest manager ever?...probably not, but referring to him as "an idiot" makes no sense at all.
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Me- I was never 2nd guessed by Fans...as a Little League Mgr. Oh shit, your talking about MLB Mgr. A big difference, or they wouldn't call it "Little League"....

:lol:

(missing pulling the chain emoticon)... ;-d
 
yankeesince59 said:
...thought so...and yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it's a 2-way street. Opinions can be questioned by others...that's pretty much the crux of a message board.

...wouldn't make much sense if everyone agreed on everything.
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And that's why we all get along so well. And why I don't get offended when you disagree with me about clueless Joe, even though you're all wrong. (sorry, I couldn't resist). But I'll tell you what, to be fair, going forward I'll only point out the the questionable moves he makes or doesn't make during a game. And that should happen any more then say (at the least) 162 times a year. You see how reasonable I can be.
 
Messiah717 said:
For sure. That's why it also seems like sports talk radio guys always take the against the norm stance. If they agreed with all the callers what kind of show would it be?
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...I've brought up the same thing before too. I mean otherwise, how do we explain Skip fucking Bayless, and those like him?...I think a lot of these talking heads say things that even they don't really believe, just to provoke people and generate banter.
 
Rick2583 said:
And that's why we all get along so well. And why I don't get offended when you disagree with me about clueless Joe, even though you're all wrong. (sorry, I couldn't resist). But I'll tell you what, to be fair, going forward I'll only point out the the questionable moves he makes or doesn't make during a game. And that should happen any more then say (at the least) 162 times a year. You see how reasonable I can be.
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...fuck that...you know me, I wanna argue and fight. Tell me I'm full of shit...tell me to kiss your ass...hell, gimme something.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
BS in Industrial Engineering, his brothers are Doctors, must be some good genes in that family. Personally I think Girardi is under rated as a manager given what he was handed last year and doing what he did.
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In other words he's a number cruncher- scheduler...!
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
BS in Industrial Engineering, his brothers are Doctors, must be some good genes in that family. Personally I think Girardi is under rated as a manager given what he was handed last year and doing what he did.
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Yeah what he did. Wait.....what did he did. You mean getting them into the playoffs dispite a bad team? Oh wait, they didn't make the playoffs. Then it has to be that he........well that he...... Holy shit, I know he did something because Ron keeps telling me he did. Hell, I probably just missed it.
 
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^^^ Yeah, obviously you did miss it. Not sure why you're singling me out because if you look I am by no means the only one who disagrees with your "idiot" label. What did he do?...here, lemme help;




"Enough fans have cursed me for putting a premature postmortem on the Yankees. They even call me a closet Mets fan, which is more cutting than any voodoo or vulgarity.
No matter our disagreement on the Pinstripe State, we are simpatico on one thing. Joe Girardi is managing his a– off. During the Steinbrenner Empire, the Yankees have been a cutthroat operation, a zero-sum, World Series or sayonara endeavor. But if you take a jeweler’s eye on the job Girardi has done, it’s impossible not to tip your cap.
Aside from jamming the eject button on Andy Pettitte the other day and letting Joba Chamberlain combust on the mound, G.I. Joe has done a David Copperfield job on his club this year.
The Yankees have been a walking triage since spring, with more wounded limbs than 1944 Bastogne. Girardi must have winced every time someone asked for an aspirin.
• Derek Jeter was supposed to start the season. Then he didn’t. Then he came back. Then he didn’t. He’s just now getting his creaky limbs back into form.
• Kevin Youkilis was supposed to swat at least .290. Yet as of A-Rod’s return, the Chicago Cubs’ pitching staff had more homers than the Yankees’ total from third base.
• Mark Teixeira wrecked his wrist, missing the season.
- Curtis Granderson out twice
• Francisco Cervelli got hit by a pitch and followed Tex into darkness.
• Ichiro Suzuki is finally acting his age.
• The Yanks were forced to fetch Lyle Overbay, Vernon Wells and Travis Hafner from a retirement home.
• CC Sabathia has stunk.
• Phil Hughes has stunk.
• Hiroki Kuroda essentially went oh-for-August.
And if the apocalyptic rate of injuries weren’t enough, there was A-Rod, a corporeal, Page Six billboard. The star of the Biogenesis drama, A-Rod not only wrought white heat on a cold team, he made everything exponentially worse by his foot-and-mouth malady, taking his fight straight to the tabloids.
And yet Girardi handled it with the calmness of a mortician, sliding the beleaguered third baseman into the lineup as if he were merely a Class A call-up. Such a scandal could drag a team across the hot coals of last place. Yet the Yanks started winning, aided colossally by Alfonso Soriano, who’s partying like it’s 1999.
And it can’t help to watch old salt like A.J. Burnett and Russell Martin live La Vida Loca along the Monongahela River, leading the formerly forlorn Pirates to first place.
As they say on the street, Girardi has been a pimp. Up until a week ago, the Yankees were the only team in a pennant race with a negative run differential. Girardi had to perform a rain dance to get the Yankees’ anorexic bats to produce runs. At some points this spring the Yankees’ lineup looked like a casting call for Bull Durham.
With all due respect to his iconic predecessor, Girardi has improved upon Joe Torre’s enmity for pitch counts and bullpen rest. The former skipper rode Jeff Nelson, Ramiro Mendoza and Mike Stanton like borrowed donkeys. Torre tapped his arm so often in the seventh inning he may have gotten tennis elbow. Girardi actually takes the pulse of his pitchers before trotting to the mound and summoning his next hurler. Rarely do you see the same number on the mound two games in a row.
Since I read their last rites, the Yankees have hopped a few teams in the playoff chase, including Baltimore on Wednesday night. Now only the nose-diving Tampa Rays are between the Yankees and a place on their annual perch — October. Navigating the minefield of injuries, bad luck and back-page fodder with this kind of aplomb has earned Girardi the nod as top manager of the American League.
It’s impossible to dislike Jim Leyland, a baseball lifer who can belch better anecdotes than anyone in his husky, Marlboro baritone — but it’s not too tough to fill out a card with Prince Fielder, Torii Hunter, and Miguel Cabrera (perhaps the best right-handed hitter since Joe DiMaggio). And if you survive that car wash of nuclear bats, they’ve got a turnstile of muscular pitching limbs, led by Max Scherzer, who entered the week at 19-1.
Boston has performed a revival that would make Jimmy Swaggart blush, but rookie managers don’t tend to get Manager of the Year. Joe Maddon has always worked his magic under the radar, but Tampa can’t even convince their own fans to pay attention, much less America’s elitist baseball scribes.
But one of them will probably win because the Yankees are seen as the preeminent bullies of baseball, the emblem of reckless, voracious capitalism. They can’t see Girardi over the stacks of cash they pay their players. It’s silly, but the Yankees’ managerial job has often been framed as a padded chair from which any manager can just flip a switch and watch his coddled millionaires do their thing.
There still isn’t enough pitching in pinstripes to convince yours truly that they have a full September sprint left in them. But they’re fighting like Buster Douglas in Tokyo. And the credit goes to one man, who has soldiered on like a war horse."
 
That's a helleva novel you just wrote there Ron, now allow me to actuately & with pure genius insight debate your short story with only a few lines, So basically he did what any other manager would have done, he dealt with it. Why? because he had no choice. When life deals you lemons you make lemonade. So what EXACTLY did he do that was so extraordinary? did he lead he wounded soldiers to victory? NO! did he take them to the playoffs? NO! did he lead them the world series? NO! He did what he could with the shit he was dealt. The same thing ANY other manager would have been forced to do in his place. So P L E A S E enough with making this IDIOT! sound like he performed miracles.

I hope I've cleared this up for you & I've no doubt that going forward you too will see the many floors in this IDIOTS leadership. And maybe even see through the rose colored glasses that this guy is really nothing extraordinary but rather ordinary.

In other news, there is no Santa Claus, Easter bunny or tooth fairy. This reality check has been brought to you by Rick. AKA......Mr. reality.
 
Reading some information on that Career Group I found that starting salaries for those with a BS were 55k per annum to start. Joe G did better crunching pitches in his mitt, then crunching baseballs with a bat. I remember years ago a "cruncher" gave me advice on how to run and keep records on my banking and that guy was right as rain.
 
Rick2583 said:
That's a helleva novel you just wrote there Ron, now allow me to actuately & with pure genius insight debate your short story with only a few lines, So basically he did what any other manager would have done, he dealt with it. Why? because he had no choice. When life deals you lemons you make lemonade. So what EXACTLY did he do that was so extraordinary? did he lead he wounded soldiers to victory? NO! did he take them to the playoffs? NO! did he lead them the world series? NO! He did what he could with the shit he was dealt. The same thing ANY other manager would have been forced to do in his place. So P L E A S E enough with making this IDIOT! sound like he performed miracles.

I hope I've cleared this up for you & I've no doubt that going forward you too will see the many floors in this IDIOTS leadership. And maybe even see through the rose colored glasses that this guy is really nothing extraordinary but rather ordinary.

In other news, there is no Santa Claus, Easter bunny or tooth fairy. This reality check has been brought to you by Rick. AKA......Mr. reality.
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...umm, look again Mr. "Reality"...I didn't write shit. Did the quotation marks and italics totally escape you?...evidently so.


...you totally misinterpreted what was copied and pasted from a writer's article. Here's another writer who says essentially the same thing...and please, don't confuse the writer's words with "a novel I wrote; (again, note the quotation marks and italics)

"Despite losing Curtis Granderson, Kevin Youkilis, Mark Teixeira, Derek Jeter, and Alex Rodriguez to injuries, Giradi has managed to win close games this season without abusing the Yankees' bullpen, something his predecessor, Joe Torre, was often criticized for doing. Yes, Boston Red Sox manager John Farrell has taken the Sox from worst to first, but he's done so with a healthy and young squad.

As aging All-Stars piled up on the disabled list, Giradi collected wins and kept his team in the playoff chase despite a negative run differential -- a statistic shared by only a handful of playoff teams. (The 1987 Minnesota Twins are the only team to have won a World Series despite a negative run differential.)

Tuesday, in a game with playoff implications, the Yankees' ninth-inning infield against the Baltimore Orioles included Mark Reynolds at first base, David Adams at third base, and JR Murphy -- who began the season with Double-A Trenton -- at catcher. In all, Giradi has managed a team-record 54 different players this season and, after Tuesday's win, the Yankees signed another player -- shortstop Brendan Ryan.

On top of handling an offense that is among the bottom five in the American League in doubles, home runs, total bases, RBIs, batting average, and on-base percentage, Giradi has somehow kept his clubhouse from being contaminated by Rodriguez. Most commentators thought the A-Rod saga would become a distraction for the team yet, somehow, Rodriguez has proven his worth and contributed to the club since returning from the disabled list.

As for handling the team's pitching staff, Giradi has dealt with the struggling Phil Hughes, the atrocious Joba Chamberlain, and oftentimes inconsistent CC Sabathia while finding roles for Ivan Nova, Adam Warren, Shawn Kelley, and Preston Claiborne."


And where is it written that managers who do not lead their team to a Championship are considered to be "idiots". And where is it written that a manager must lead his team to the PS/Championship to be considered Manager of the Year?
 
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