Bill proposed in Oregon would make cigarettes prescription-only drugs

[santeesioux]

http://www.kptv.com/story/20662618/...would-make-cigarettes-prescription-only-drugs

Isn't this the same guy that just herp derped about the Ducks not hiring a black guy?

 

[BlazerWookee]

"Herp derped," lol!

Rep depped...

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Well, it's easy to see why he's represents The People's Republic of Multnomah County.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's barfo's fault.

 

[santeesioux]

It's barfo's fault.

 

[Denny Crane]

Or barfo's.

 

[oldguy]

Here's an excerpt from the Hippocratic Oath:

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect.

So, do you think your doctor will want to prescribe something for you that kills you?

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[MARIS61]

Here's an excerpt from the Hippocratic Oath:


So, do you think your doctor will want to prescribe something for you that kills you?

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The side effects for most prescription drugs are far more dangerous than cigarettes, and kill far more people.

As with all the other drugs your doctor prescribes for you, it will depend solely on what kickbacks he gets from the manufacturer.

 

[oldguy]

So, when my doctor prescribed generic penicillin for me this week, he was getting a kick back? From who?

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[MARIS61]

So, when my doctor prescribed generic penicillin for me this week, he was getting a kick back? From who?

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I'm surprised they still use that to treat the clap.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm surprised they still use that to treat the clap.

Why, what does your doctor give you for yours?

 

[huevonkiller]

Legal drugs are just as dangerous as cigs and coke.

 

[oldguy]

Legal drug are just as dangerous as cigs and coke.

The Rx drugs, maybe....if you use them every day of your life. There are some that are risky even if taken over a fairly short time. Very damned few if you're talking about taking an antibiotic for a short period of time (or TONS of other types of drugs), to treat an acute problem, then stop taking them. No comparison to smoking a pack a day, every day.

Unless you can provide a link to a legitimate study, coke is not more dangerous than cigarettes. That's out there where the buses don't run.

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[3RA1N1AC]

coke is not physically addictive

back when they used to prescribe it, they would also bang your vagina with a dildo

great cure for depression

 

[Further]

I'm almost at 1 month smoke free after 20+ years as a smoker. It's just not right how available it is in our society, especially when under age. I was 14 when I started smoking and had no problem buying something physically addictive that interferes with neurological reward pathways and causes cancer. That's wrong. I do believe in being able to make ones one choices as an American, but something is wrong with us when we continue to make this choice. I do believe selling to minors or giving them cigarettes should result in very high fines, like $500 per cigarette.

 

[oldguy]

I'm surprised they still use that to treat the clap.

Way to avoid answering the question. Who is going to give my doctor the kickback?

It's ok if you can't answer. Just admit that you're full of it. It's not like we don't know already.

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[Denny Crane]

I'm almost at 1 month smoke free after 20+ years as a smoker. It's just not right how available it is in our society, especially when under age. I was 14 when I started smoking and had no problem buying something physically addictive that interferes with neurological reward pathways and causes cancer. That's wrong. I do believe in being able to make ones one choices as an American, but something is wrong with us when we continue to make this choice. I do believe selling to minors or giving them cigarettes should result in very high fines, like $500 per cigarette.

I started smoking in my early 20s. I tried smoking at a younger age - I stole a cigarette from my mom's purse. Fine her $500?

I'm on my 5th month not smoking. I hold no animosity toward smokers or the industry as you do. We both know the dangers of smoking and that it's addicting. We knew before we took our first puff. It's OUR fault, no? Just as it's our awesomeness to quit.

 

[Denny Crane]

Way to avoid answering the question. Who is going to give my doctor the kickback?

It's ok if you can't answer. Just admit that you're full of it. It's not like we don't know already.

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The patent on penicillin must have expired decades ago, since it was discovered in the 1920s. I bet the prescription cost you maybe $15.

 

[oldguy]

The patent on penicillin must have expired decades ago, since it was discovered in the 1920s. I bet the prescription cost you maybe $15.

Actually, it was $8 (it is a generic). I just wondered what kind of kickback Maris thought my doctor got for prescribing it for me.

 

[Denny Crane]

Actually, it was $8 (it is a generic). I just wondered what kind of kickback Maris thought my doctor got for prescribing it for me.

I think there are lots of cases where the doctors will prescribe what the drug reps suggest. Suggest being bribery in some cases (like paid trips to warm beaches, and that sort of thing).

Drug reps also leave samples that the doctors give away. My doctor has given me a few of those samples so I didn't have to pay.

 

[oldguy]

I think there are lots of cases where the doctors will prescribe what the drug reps suggest. Suggest being bribery in some cases (like paid trips to warm beaches, and that sort of thing).

Drug reps also leave samples that the doctors give away. My doctor has given me a few of those samples so I didn't have to pay.

Here's what I was responding to:

As with all the other drugs your doctor prescribes for you<other than cigs>, it will depend solely on what kickbacks he gets from the manufacturer.

I know that doctors get kickbacks for prescribing certain drugs. That doesn't mean that they only prescribe drugs for which they get a kickback.

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[Fez Hammersticks]

I think Bill is full of shit.

 

[maxiep]

http://news.yahoo.com/penalty-could-keep-smokers-health-overhaul-205840155.html

 

[MARIS61]

Way to avoid answering the question. Who is going to give my doctor the kickback?

It's ok if you can't answer. Just admit that you're full of it. It's not like we don't know already.

Go Blazers

In the rare instance where a generic drug is prescribed, maybe nobody. That's why generic drugs are rarely prescribed, and even then only if the patient requests generics.

 

[huevonkiller]

The Rx drugs, maybe....if you use them every day of your life. There are some that are risky even if taken over a fairly short time. Very damned few if you're talking about taking an antibiotic for a short period of time (or TONS of other types of drugs), to treat an acute problem, then stop taking them. No comparison to smoking a pack a day, every day.

Unless you can provide a link to a legitimate study, coke is not more dangerous than cigarettes. That's out there where the buses don't run.

Go Blazerrs

Lol relax, coke is fine with me.

 

[MARIS61]

Here's what I was responding to:

I know that doctors get kickbacks for prescribing certain drugs. That doesn't mean that they only prescribe drugs for which they get a kickback.

Go Blazers

Hey, even Hitler liked dogs.

 

[MARIS61]

Legally, it's another piece of Obamacare that is vulnerable to court challenge.

The penalty is clearly a discriminating and devastating financial tax above and beyond the insured's actual cost of health treatment.

Non-smoking alcoholics (when they're not killing children with their cars or beating the shit out of their wives) outnumber smokers by a wide margin, and incur health costs that eclipse that of even the most dedicated smoker. To single out smokers and ignore drinkers is like legalizing murder while doling out the death sentence for jay-walkers.

 

[oldguy]

In the rare instance where a generic drug is prescribed, maybe nobody. That's why generic drugs are rarely prescribed, and even then only if the patient requests generics.

Rarely?

Eight in 10 prescriptions are filled with generics rather than brand-name drugs these days.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...doctor-prescribe-a-generic-look-in-the-mirror

Here is a second source.

He [Matthew Bennett, a spokesman with the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America] said 80 percent of prescriptions filled in the U.S. already are generics.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...-pricey-drugs-than-needed-study-finds-670205/


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[MARIS61]

Quoting the 2 guilty organizations claiming their innocence is pretty weak sauce.

 

[oldguy]

Quoting the 2 guilty organizations claiming their innocence is pretty weak sauce.

Seriously 61?

In the last two years, Generics First has helped Washington increase the percentage of Medicaid generic drugs prescribed from 68 percent to 82 percent of total prescriptions written – a 14 percent improvement that will translate into millions of dollars in savings..

http://hrsa.dshs.wa.gov/News/documents/fact_011003hcagenericsfirst102111.pdf

Today, nearly 8 in 10 prescriptions filled in the United States are for generic drugs. The use of generic drugs is expected to grow over the next few years as a number of popular drugs come off patent through 2015.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/BuyingUsingMedicineSafely/UnderstandingGenericDrugs/ucm167991.htm

The rate of generic prescribing for all prescriptions reached almost 75 percent in 2009, up from 57 percent in 2004.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/sp/reports/2010/genericdrugs/ib.shtml#Trends

Weak sauce, my ass.

How about YOU provide one shred of evidence that generics are rarely prescribed, or how about some kind of evidence that kickbacks are the sole determining factor for what a doctor prescribes.

That's not weak sauce, thats just bullshit.

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