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I'm not sure what to make of this, other than currency is now valued less than a true commodity?

What the hell?

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/11/bitcoin-electronic-cash-beloved-by-hackers/

With $600 stuffed in one pocket and a smartphone tucked in the other, Patricio Fink recently struck the kind of deal that's feeding the rise of a new kind of money -- a virtual currency whose oscillations have pulled geeks and speculators alike through stomach-churning highs and lows.

The Argentine software developer was dealing in bitcoins -- getting an injection of the cybercurrency in exchange for a wad of real greenbacks he handed to a pair of Australian tourists in a Buenos Aires Starbucks. The visitors wanted spending money at black market rates without the risk of getting roughed up in one of the Argentine capital's black market exchanges. Fink wanted to pad his electronic wallet.

Advocates describe Bitcoin as the foundation stone of a Utopian economy: no borders, no change fees, no closing hours.

In the safety of the coffee shop, the tourists transferred Fink their bitcoins through an app on their smartphone and walked away with the cash.
"It's something that is new," said Fink, 24, who described the deal to The Associated Press over Skype. "And it's working."

It's transactions like these -- up to 70,000 of them each day over the past month -- that have propelled bitcoins from the world of Internet oddities to the cusp of mainstream use, a remarkable breakthrough for a currency that made its online debut only four years ago.

When they first began pinging across the Internet, bitcoins could buy you almost nothing. Now, there's almost nothing that bitcoins can't buy. From hard drugs to hard currency, songs to survival gear, cars to consumer goods, retailers are rushing to welcome the virtual currency whose unofficial symbol is a dollar-like, double-barred B.

Advocates describe Bitcoin as the foundation stone of a Utopian economy: no borders, no change fees, no closing hours, and no one to tell you what you can and can't do with your money.

Just days ago the total value of bitcoins in circulation hit $2 billion, up from a tiny fraction of that last year. But late Wednesday, Bitcoin crashed, shedding more than 60 percent of its value in the space of a few hours before recouping some of its losses. Critics say the roller coaster currency movements are just another sign that Bitcoin is a bubble waiting to burst.

Amid all the hype, Bitcoin's origins are a question mark.

The mechanics of the virtual currency were first outlined in a research paper signed by Satoshi Nakamoto -- likely a pseudonym -- and the coins made their online debut in 2009. How the coins are created, how the transactions are authenticated and how the whole system manages to power forward with no central bank, no financial regulator and a user base of wily hackers all comes down to computing power and savoir faire.

Or, as Nicholas Colas, chief market strategist for the ConvergEx Group, describes it: "genius on so many levels."

The linchpin of the system is a network of "miners" -- high-end computer users who supply the Bitcoin network with the processing power needed to maintain a transparent, running tally of all transactions. The tally is one of the most important ways in which the system prevents fraud, and the miners are rewarded for supporting the system with an occasional helping of brand-new bitcoins.

Those bitcoins have become a dangerously hot commodity in the past few days.
Rising from roughly $13 at the beginning of the year, the price of a single bitcoin blasted through the $100 barrier last week, according to Mt. Gox, a site where users can swap bitcoins for more traditional currencies.

On Tuesday, the price of a single bitcoin had topped $200. On Wednesday, it hit $266 before a flash crash dragged it back down to just over $100. By Thursday, bitcoins were trading for around $150.

The rebel currency may seem unstable, but then so do some of its more traditional counterparts. Some say Bitcoin got new momentum after the banking crisis in Cyprus pushed depositors there to find creative ways to move money. Fink, the Argentine, favors bitcoins because he believes they will insulate him from his country's high inflation. Others -- from Iranian musicians to American auto dealers -- use the currency to dodge international sanctions or reach new markets.

But the anything-goes nature of Bitcoin has also made it attractive to denizens of the Internet's dark side.

One of the most prominent destinations for bitcoins remains Silk Road, a black market website where drug dealers advertise their wares in a consumer-friendly atmosphere redolent of Amazon or eBay -- complete with a shopping cart icon, a five-point rating system and voluminous user reviews. The site uses Tor, an online anonymity network, to mask the location of its servers, while bitcoin payments ensure there's no paper trail.

One British user told the AP he first got interested in Silk Road while he was working in China, where he used the site to order banned books. After moving to Japan, he turned to the site for an occasional high.

"Buying recreational drugs in Japan is difficult, especially if you don't know people from growing up there," said the user, who asked for anonymity because he did not want his connection to Silk Road to be publicly known.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/11/bitcoin-electronic-cash-beloved-by-hackers/#ixzz2QENyW2PH
 
An interesting comment...

The speculators have blown the bubble to $230 a week ago and then dropped it to $110. This article attempts to mitigate the damage.
As a currency, BC is useless because it requires a computer and the Internet to execute transactions. It is also vilnerable to several types of attacks; if the merchant wants to avoid double use of the same coin he has to hold the customer at the store for 10 to 30 minutes, until the network confirms the transaction.

The assertion that BC is "loved by hackers" is very much wrong. Most geeks know that BC is a scam - a very good scam, and technically correct one, but still a scam. The majority of coins are owned by the creator of the protocol - an unknown person, by the way. If BC becomes a real currency this guy will own the world. Or so he thinks. That's why now and then various articles show up on news sites to maintain interest in BC.

Today BC is only used for two things: for speculation, and for illicit deals. There is even a Web site that is selling drugs for bitcoins. There is no reason to use BC for anything else. Currency is backed by the willingness of other people to take it in exchange for goods and services. So far there are far more paper currencies of different countries that have better acceptance. BC cannot be used unless you understand *exactly* how it works and you are *absolutely sure* that the payment that you just accepted is in good bitcoins. There is nothing standing between you and a counterfeit bitcoins except a piece of software that anyone can change, recompile, and put onto your payment computer. A merchant has no protection if he is given bad money. IRS and your state will be after you for failure to pay taxes on this revenue. And how would you pay those taxes? None of common merchants are set up to accept foreign currency. Few CPAs are trained to do accounting in multiple currencies.
 
Economics not taught in U.S. economics classes must be socialism. Cutting out the rich middlemen is the road to their serfdom.
 
Currency is accepted because of the regression theorem, and only in the short-run until a state sees their dollar collapse.
 
Whistle when you say that.
 
I've heard this is a currency the new era drug dealers are using. It's impossible to trace with the current legislation. The dealers are using this currency to boarder guns, drugs, and drug manufacturing supplies.

It's crazy that a virtual money actually sticks. Then again; out dollar is based on virtual debt! :)
 
I've heard this is a currency the new era drug dealers are using. It's impossible to trace with the current legislation. The dealers are using this currency to boarder guns, drugs, and drug manufacturing supplies.

It's crazy that a virtual money actually sticks. Then again; out dollar is based on virtual debt! :)

I have been waching this for about a year..you are correct,funds are not tracable so to speak. TYhere is abig problem with hacking/theft..just the other day it dipped about a thir? I dont remember the exact number...hmm,bigmoney will do to this what it has done to stocks once it is hack free. In the mean time..its the wild fucking west
 
I'm gonna buy the Brooklyn Bridge using Bitcoins. I know a guy who knows a guy. He's hard to contact because he lives in Phoenix and he's always out shark fishing in his back yard...
 
I've heard this is a currency the new era drug dealers are using. It's impossible to trace with the current legislation. The dealers are using this currency to boarder guns, drugs, and drug manufacturing supplies.

It's crazy that a virtual money actually sticks. Then again; out dollar is based on virtual debt! :)

Hey stoner, no need to pretend like you've only "heard". We know you're speaking from first-hand experience.
 
So Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are doing really well right now. It got me interested and I have been reading and learning like a maniac for the last few days. It is fascinating to me. Does anyone on here actually invest in crypto? I am asking, because I don't know a single person who actually has some bitcoin or other crypto.
 
Oh and you guys who commented on this thread in 2013...if only you would have bought some bitcoin then...
 
So Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are doing really well right now. It got me interested and I have been reading and learning like a maniac for the last few days. It is fascinating to me. Does anyone on here actually invest in crypto? I am asking, because I don't know a single person who actually has some bitcoin or other crypto.

You probably do, but they aren't gonna tell you about it. :MARIS61:
 
So Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are doing really well right now. It got me interested and I have been reading and learning like a maniac for the last few days. It is fascinating to me. Does anyone on here actually invest in crypto? I am asking, because I don't know a single person who actually has some bitcoin or other crypto.

I have not personally however I have done quite a bit of research into blockchain. There are going to be a lot of different opportunities coming in the near future with it's use. I'm talking like real estate transactions, energy markets, stocks, bonds, all different types of financial transactions being record via block chain instead of how it's done now. People that can write the code (Satoshi Nakamoto) to make this happen are few and far between, but there is talk about blockchains soon stealing up Visa and Mastercards business.
 
I have not personally however I have done quite a bit of research into blockchain. There are going to be a lot of different opportunities coming in the near future with it's use. I'm talking like real estate transactions, energy markets, stocks, bonds, all different types of financial transactions being record via block chain instead of how it's done now. People that can write the code (Satoshi Nakamoto) to make this happen are few and far between, but there is talk about blockchains soon stealing up Visa and Mastercards business.
I'm just scratching the surface on what all this stuff means.
 
investing in crypto currencies is a terrible idea because they are extremely unstable (for now).
 
investing in crypto currencies is a terrible idea because they are extremely unstable (for now).

I agree, I don't think I would use them as an investment either. If I was a small business or looking to sell drugs or something, I would accept them as payment though.
 
I agree, I don't think I would use them as an investment either. If I was a small business or looking to sell drugs or something, I would accept them as payment though.

Well, unless you bought several years ago when it was $2 a bitcoin (around $8,000 now).
 
A lot of the point of having bitcoin is that it can be relatively hard to trace. A lot of it is used on the "dark web".
I understand that, but now it is becoming more popular just to trade/invest. Most people don't want to give up their bitcoins right now because of the recent price surge. I wonder if drug addicts are having a tough dilemma..haha
 
I understand that, but now it is becoming more popular just to trade/invest. Most people don't want to give up their bitcoins right now because of the recent price surge. I wonder if drug addicts are having a tough dilemma..haha

Also, people are attempting to steal bitcoins. Its better not to tell people you own a position in cryptocurrencies.
 
Also, people are attempting to steal bitcoins. Its better not to tell people you own a position in cryptocurrencies.
Yeah, I have been reading about paper wallets, hard wallets, etc to prevent hackers from stealing...just reading up on it. All of it fascinates me at this point. I'm not much for investing myself, but I feel it may be something useful to know about.
 
investing in crypto currencies is a terrible idea because they are extremely unstable (for now).

We sold Bitcoin on December 16th at a decent profit. Man, I think it's nearly doubled in price since then.

Ahhh....well.
 
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I don't invest in stuff I don't understand. And I don't understand cryptocurrency. :(
 
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