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[jlprk]

I still think LMA is the Sheed we always wanted to see develop.

Neither Aldridge nor Worthy should ever be mentioned anywhere within 20 minutes of Sheed. Like Muhammed Ali, Sheed was so good he could rebel against authority and still be the greatest. When you're that good, you aren't beholden to the structures you inherit. A great writer can bend the rules of grammar and invent new words. Just look at El Presidente, for example.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Neither Aldridge nor Worthy should ever be mentioned anywhere within 20 minutes of Sheed. Like Muhammed Ali, Sheed was so good he could rebel against authority and still be the greatest.

Greatest at what? In 15 NBA seasons, Sheed never averaged more than 19.3 PPG or 8.2 RPG. He never came within 10 PPG of leading the league in scoring and was a very weak rebounder for his size. His FG% steadily declined over the latter half of his career.

Yeah, and all his rebelling against authority got him was the league record for technical fouls, ejected from many games and suspended when his team needed him. The guy had the talent, but not the brains or desire, to be one of the greatest ever.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

Even if all that is true, Sheed still > Aldridge or Worthy.

You could say the same about Ali. Ali was constantly criticized for the same things in the 60s. He clowned around during fights and took way too many rounds to finish fights. Like Sheed, he loved to play defense to the detriment of his offense, prolonging the struggle. Instead of real KOs, he won usually by TKO, despite having the talent to KO.

All his rebelling against authority got him was a 3-year ban at the height of his career, banned from practicing his trade in various states, a near-prison term, and widespread hatred for his religiosity. But the world has many rebels. Ali became universally popular for his anti-Vietnam War martyrdom, and eventually his establishment critics shut up.

500 years from now, when Ali is in the history books as the greatest athlete of the 20th Century, and Sheed of the 21st, people won't know of their struggles for what is right, and good, and free.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yeah ... 'cause when I think of Sheed I'm pretty much always reminded of Ali.

 

[PapaG]

Matthews' PER has fallen to 15.7. Have teams figured him out?

 

[MickZagger]

Matthews' PER has fallen to 15.7. Have teams figured him out?

Can you find his PER as a starter?

 

[PapaG]

Can you find his PER as a starter?

He's been terrible the last three games as a starter.

Hopefully coming back home will get him out of his recent rut.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Matthews' PER has fallen to 15.7. Have teams figured him out?

Maybe. Or maybe he's just had a few bad games. It is quite possible that teams that figured out the TEAM without Roy playing.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Matthews' PER has fallen to 15.7. Have teams figured him out?

Apparently not Utah. 16.4 now, BTW.

 

[PapaG]

Basketball Reference

1 LaMarcus Aldridge 20.7
2 Andre Miller 19.0
3 Marcus Camby 16.3
4 Wesley Matthews 15.1
5 Brandon Roy 14.9
6 Nicolas Batum 14.4
7 Rudy Fernandez 13.8
8 Patrick Mills 13.3
9 Dante Cunningham 8.7
10 Armon Johnson 8.6
11 Joel Przybilla 8.2
12 Sean Marks 4.6
13 Fabricio Oberto 0.8
14 Luke Babbitt 21 13 68 0.0

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2011.html

Roy has gone from 15.1 to 14.9 without playing a game.

Hollinger's are basically the same but aren't updated through last night.

 

[PapaG]

Its certainly telling. I'm sure certain posters are going to find away to deflect the warranted criticism of Aldridge and make excuses. Fact is, Aldridge has not been good this year. I think we need to look in a different direction when it comes to using him as one of the pillars of the franchise.

Miller has a PER of 19.5

While Matthews has a PER of 16.9 and rising.

Mmmmkay...

 

[andalusian]

Roy has gone from 15.1 to 14.9 without playing a game.

The numbers are normalized for the league in general. The quality of basketball improved as the year wore in (not a surprise, really, it takes time for most teams/players to get in the groove) - and Roy's numbers reflect that.

 

[PapaG]

The numbers are normalized for the league in general. The quality of basketball improved as the year wore in (not a surprise, really, it takes time for most teams/players to get in the groove) - and Roy's numbers reflect that.

The deviation isn't that big of a difference anyhow. Variable statistics are a relatively new concept to the NBA, and at times it's hard to break old habits of relying on static statistics.

 

[jlprk]

Roy has gone from 15.1 to 14.9 without playing a game.

The league average stats have improved while he's been out. So his stats have gone from above average to below average.

 

[mook]

Nice to see Mills so high up there. The guy is really coming along. He may be the second coming of Damon Stoudamire (a player I hated more than any other) but for his role he's a nice fit. As he gets more comfortable I can really see him becoming a 15-16 PER player.

 

[crowTrobot]

aldridge gets 23/9 and his PER goes down (was 21.0)

 

[Nikolokolus]

aldridge gets 23/9 and his PER goes down (was 21.0)

He played 43 minutes or so, shot something like 42%, had a lot of turnovers, genereted few assists, steals or blocks and just wasn't very efficient -- and that's what the metric is measuring.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

aldridge gets 23/9 and his PER goes down (was 21.0)

This is why PER shouldn't be considered alone, of course. His PER for last night was 8.1 - all it means is that he was inefficient, not that his performance was poor or that he didn't help them win the game. When you think about people with low PER's, know that it is not a be-all/end-all for performance, only efficiency.

For example, Wesley Matthews is inconsistent (thus his average PER) but is an overall asset and obviously worth the money because when he's on, he's ON FIRE.