Blazers last in the league in defense

[Natebishop3]

Just looked it up. Against the top 5 defenses in the league in allowed ppg (NY, LAL, MIA, PHX, UTAH), Portland scores 108 ppg, vs season average of 115. I think just about every team scores less vs the top 5 than they do vs the rest of the league but am not researching, seems obvious. Lillard vs those top 5 teams this season scores 28 ppg. One of those games he had 9 points - the rest he averages a little over 30 . So I am not sure if "good defenses are shutting down Dame", and at the same time, when we play these great defenses, our team scores 108 vs 115, which is a lot of points, but i would assume fairly normal. I think our offense is our offense. Lillard doesnt score less vs the top 5 teams. Against the top 5 defenses, the team is 3-5. Again - I would think all teams have a worse winning % vs these five.

When we already have a negative point differential, putting up 7 less points against a good defense is pretty substantial.

 

[bobf]

Here's how you can tell that our great offense isn't the result of the coach.

As soon as we face a decent team that understands how to shut down Dame, our offense stagnates and we can't score. If our offense was the result of good coaching, wouldn't we be able to adjust to that and do something else to counter what the defense is throwing at us?

Yes, I'd say both Dame and our offense have an achilles heel.

 

[Natebishop3]

To follow up

PTS/G: 115.0 (7th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 115.2 (27th of 30)

So if we average 108 on offense against good defensive teams, and we average 115.2 points on defense, we are squarely averaging a loss when we play opponents that can counter Dame.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I honestly have no idea how we have as many wins as we do. It's kind of miraculous. We've gone 7-3 in the last ten games with these stats:
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It's witchcraft.

I guess the witch died

 

[OneSport3]

Sacramento is doing their best to prevent us from grabbing the 30th spot in defensive rating. They gave up 154 points to the Jazz tonight without Mitchell and Conley!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sacramento is doing their best to prevent us from grabbing the 30th spot in defensive rating. They gave up 154 points to the Jazz tonight without Mitchell and Conley!

 

[jlprk]

Just looked it up. Against the top 5 defenses in the league in allowed ppg (NY, LAL, MIA, PHX, UTAH), Portland scores 108 ppg, vs season average of 115. I think just about every team scores less vs the top 5 than they do vs the rest of the league but am not researching, seems obvious. Lillard vs those top 5 teams this season scores 28 ppg. One of those games he had 9 points - the rest he averages a little over 30 . So I am not sure if "good defenses are shutting down Dame", and at the same time, when we play these great defenses, our team scores 108 vs 115, which is a lot of points, but i would assume fairly normal. I think our offense is our offense. Lillard doesnt score less vs the top 5 teams. Against the top 5 defenses, the team is 3-5. Again - I would think all teams have a worse winning % vs these five.

In the left-side box, you can choose which group of opponent teams you want.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...zers/players/damian-lillard/profile/21/25/410

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I honestly have no idea how we have as many wins as we do. It's kind of miraculous. We've gone 7-3 in the last ten games with these stats:
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It's witchcraft.

Almost exactly the reverse now - we're 3-7 but thanks to the two blowouts, we've got better stats than the opponents:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[calvin natt]

I dont even understand this. Bunch of really good players on this graphic. Towns, Russell and Edwards are here, I would take any of them

 

[tester551]

I dont even understand this. Bunch of really good players on this graphic. Towns, Russell and Edwards are here, I would take any of them

It is saying that there are 166 3-man groupings that have a very good offensive rating (118 or higher).

Of that set, there are 3 groupings that are SO terrible at defense - that they STILL have a negative net rating. These guys give up more points to the opponent than they score.
Portland (Dame, Kanter, Little)
Dallas
& Minny

 

[e_blazer]

It is saying that there are 166 3-man groupings that have a very good offensive rating (118 or higher).

Of that set, there are 3 groupings that are SO terrible at defense - that they STILL have a negative net rating. These guys give up more points to the opponent than they score.
Portland (Dame, Kanter, Little)
Dallas
& Minny

So how often do you see a combination of Dame, Kanter and Little on the court together when the Blazers are healthy?

 

[RR7]

So how often do you see a combination of Dame, Kanter and Little on the court together when the Blazers are healthy?

~190 minutes on the year

 

[RR7]

So how often do you see a combination of Dame, Kanter and Little on the court together when the Blazers are healthy?

I will say, though, there seems to be an awful lot of "noise" in that stat. I'm going off of BBRef, and their #s and NBA.com seem to differ slightly in net rating stuff, but regardless, Little, Lillard, Kanter is a net negative 3 man lineup, but Little, Kanter, Anthony is a net positive. By a larger margin. Which seems...unexpected. 3 man samples maybe not a great view.
Stretching it to 4 man samples, Lillard, Little, Kanter, Anthony has a net positive rating, but Little, Lillard, Kanter, Trent was negative.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Neither Damian or Kanter ever pass to Nas so it's not surprising.

 

[bobf]

I will say, though, there seems to be an awful lot of "noise" in that stat. I'm going off of BBRef, and their #s and NBA.com seem to differ slightly in net rating stuff, but regardless, Little, Lillard, Kanter is a net negative 3 man lineup, but Little, Kanter, Anthony is a net positive. By a larger margin. Which seems...unexpected. 3 man samples maybe not a great view.
Stretching it to 4 man samples, Lillard, Little, Kanter, Anthony has a net positive rating, but Little, Lillard, Kanter, Trent was negative.

Nothing much is unexpected with a 160 minute sample.

 

[wizenheimer]

I will say, though, there seems to be an awful lot of "noise" in that stat. I'm going off of BBRef, and their #s and NBA.com seem to differ slightly in net rating stuff, but regardless, Little, Lillard, Kanter is a net negative 3 man lineup, but Little, Kanter, Anthony is a net positive. By a larger margin. Which seems...unexpected. 3 man samples maybe not a great view.
Stretching it to 4 man samples, Lillard, Little, Kanter, Anthony has a net positive rating, but Little, Lillard, Kanter, Trent was negative.

I'm looking at bbref and I don't see Little in any of the three man lineup, but all I see is the top-20. Is there a way to expand that?

and yeah, I think there's some noise in there. Pretty small sample size and too many varaiables

 

[RR7]

I'm looking at bbref and I don't see Little in any of the three man lineup, but all I see is the top-20. Is there a way to expand that?

and yeah, I think there's some noise in there. Pretty small sample size and too many varaiables

go by individual player, and look at their lineup pages.

 

[Tince]

How many days during this season have the Blazers actually been last in defense?

 

[wizenheimer]

go by individual player, and look at their lineup pages.

thanks

 

[JDC]

In 1,316 non-garbage time possessions with Nurk on the floor...

108.9 defensive rating (82nd percentile / 3.8 points above league avg.)

Not a ton of opponent shooting luck involved either (35th percentile mid range / 46th from 3)

Fouling more with Nurk vs Kanter, but forcing more turnovers (86th percentile vs 12th) and defense rebounding at a better rate (86th vs 71st) *with Cov ON for both

Shot mix defensively is similar but doing a much better job defending the rim (74th percentile w/Nurk ON / 37th OFF)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

According to this, despite being 5-10 in the last 15, we are still on the "good teams" side of the line. So we've actually gotten better, even though our record doesn't reflect it. I believe it - we were winning games we deserved to lose before, and we lost a few games we deserved to win in the last 15 games.

 

[wizenheimer]

Portland was a -0.4 before those two last blowouts, so they are getting a lot of bump out of just those two games. They are still +3 wins above their expected record based upon their net

 

[Tince]

Stotts mentioned in his post game interview that someone had pointed out that statistically, we've been a top half of the league defense with Nurk on the floor this year. Can anyone confirm if that stat is true?

 

[JDC]

Stotts mentioned in his post game interview that someone had pointed out that statistically, we've been a top half of the league defense with Nurk on the floor this year. Can anyone confirm if that stat is true?

82nd percentile in 1,316 on garbage time possessions per Cleaning the Glass.

 

[Mr. Robot]

Stotts mentioned in his post game interview that someone had pointed out that statistically, we've been a top half of the league defense with Nurk on the floor this year. Can anyone confirm if that stat is true?

with nurk on the floor i dont know, im not that good with statistics

but since nurk returned (two games before april), blazers have 22nd ranked defense, but in the last three games (3-0), blazers have 7th ranked defense and in the last five games (3-2), blazers have 11th ranked defense

obviously, in the last three games blazers are playing with effort defensively, so nurk finally got some help and therefore our defense looks much better and reminds me when we had top 10 defense with amimu and harkless, so as good as nurk is defensively, if the team doesnt put an effort in order to help him, it wont change anything... keep playing like these past three games and nurks defense will be a game changer

 

[Scalma]

In 1,316 non-garbage time possessions with Nurk on the floor...

108.9 defensive rating (82nd percentile / 3.8 points above league avg.)

Not a ton of opponent shooting luck involved either (35th percentile mid range / 46th from 3)

Fouling more with Nurk vs Kanter, but forcing more turnovers (86th percentile vs 12th) and defense rebounding at a better rate (86th vs 71st) *with Cov ON for both

Shot mix defensively is similar but doing a much better job defending the rim (74th percentile w/Nurk ON / 37th OFF)

sTaRt KanTeR

I swear nothing triggers my ass more than when I hear Nurk slander. One of the most underrated bigs in the game and completely underpaid. Along with Dame, the only foundational piece on the roster imo.