Blazers TPE ($7,000,000)

[RipCityWarrior]

CJ would get a solid return most definitely but I just cannot see a move where Olshey would pull the trigger... I will continue to hold out hope though, if only he played better defense.

 

[Tince]

CJ would get a solid return most definitely but I just cannot see a move where Olshey would pull the trigger... I will continue to hold out hope though, if only he played better defense.

What makes you think a team would want to take on a guy with a 4 year All-NBA contract with zero All-Star appearance? I think we would almost certainly have to take back less talent if we traded him.

 

[blazerkor]

What makes you think a team would want to take on a guy with a 4 year All-NBA contract with zero All-Star appearance? I think we would almost certainly have to take back less talent if we traded him.

I think that CJ's value is still positive but we would either need to take very little back for him or a guy on a similar deal like Tobias Harris.

 

[RipCityWarrior]

I based my thoughts on CJ the player and not his contract. He would make a solid lead guard for many teams, and most likely an all star in the east. That being said I think his play next to Lillard doesn’t put them to the level necessary to be a solid contender.

 

[Tince]

I based my thoughts on CJ the player and not his contract. He would make a solid lead guard for many teams, and most likely an all star in the east. That being said I think his play next to Lillard doesn’t put them to the level necessary to be a solid contender.

Valid... but how much a guy makes and for how long is a big part of trades being made. Sometimes bigger than the talent itself.

 

[Tince]

I think that CJ's value is still positive but we would either need to take very little back for him or a guy on a similar deal like Tobias Harris.

Tobias Harris is one of the few players at the 3rd option tier who has a worse contract than CJ. So I suppose that trade is possible, but I'm not sure why Olshey would do it.

 

[blazerkor]

Tobias Harris is one of the few players at the 3rd option tier who has a worse contract than CJ. So I suppose that trade is possible, but I'm not sure why Olshey would do it.

I've said it a lot of times. Olshey has made it clear that he thinks the core of this roster if healthy is a championship roster, I think that is delusional but Olshey makes the moves. So we will not see CJ traded until it becomes clear to Olshey that the Dame/CJ back court is a huge mistake. In order to see that it seems pretty clear that we will have to waste a season pursuing the unattainable goal of a championship with this terminally flawed back court after we have a first or second round exit maybe then Olshey will wake up and we will see if Harris is the best option out there at that time to exchange CJ for. Harris is just the best option I can come up with now but a CJ trade is impossible now but maybe just maybe we'll see one before Olshey pisses Dame's whole career away on his ill conceived belief in an undersized back court with a superstar that is an average defender and a guy who thinks he's a superstar and is one of the worst starting defenders in the NBA.

 

[tykendo]

TPE (toilet paper exception). The way people are hoarding it again, makes me think those people think it will cost 7 mil. if they don't buy it now.

 

[Tince]

I've said it a lot of times. Olshey has made it clear that he thinks the core of this roster if healthy is a championship roster, I think that is delusional but Olshey makes the moves. So we will not see CJ traded until it becomes clear to Olshey that the Dame/CJ back court is a huge mistake. In order to see that it seems pretty clear that we will have to waste a season pursuing the unattainable goal of a championship with this terminally flawed back court after we have a first or second round exit maybe then Olshey will wake up and we will see if Harris is the best option out there at that time to exchange CJ for. Harris is just the best option I can come up with now but a CJ trade is impossible now but maybe just maybe we'll see one before Olshey pisses Dame's whole career away on his ill conceived belief in an undersized back court with a superstar that is an average defender and a guy who thinks he's a superstar and is one of the worst starting defenders in the NBA.

I think you're right that Harris is probably the most likely option since the 76ers would love to get out of Harris' contract, as it is probably worse than CJs. I also agree the Olshey will probably never make that move.

I don't think the Blazers will be a NBA championship contender unless CJ is the Blazers 4th best player. I think Nurk is probably more valuable than CJ, when healthy. Having said that, I don't want to just trade CJ away for chump change just to get rid of him. The contract Olshey gave him has put us in a horrible position to be real players in the free agent market and stay out of massive tax implications or have the option to move him for a player of value with a decent contract.

We need to draft an all-star that is ready to contribute soon with a late 1st or 2nd round pick to have a great chance at making that jump. That's a long shot, but I think it's our best hope.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The contract Olshey gave him has put us in a horrible position to be real players in the free-agent market and stay out of massive tax implications or have the option to move him for a player of value with a decent contract.

That kind of brings us back to the debate we have had here for a long time....are we ever a "real player" in the free-agent market,
even when we have cap space? I mean for legitimate all-star type players in their prime.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

That kind of brings us back to the debate we have had here for a long time....are we ever a "real player" in the free-agent market,
even when we have cap space? I mean for legitimate all-star type players in their prime.

Of course not.

I won't go into my usual small market diatribe, but of course we aren't.

 

[Blazinaway]

anyone know when the 7 mil TPE expires?

 

[illmatic99]

anyone know when the 7 mil TPE expires?

Jan 2021. We had a 2.3 mil exception that expires in Feb 2021. We cannot combine these per my understanding.



https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers//cap

Also, since we are out of the tax, our MLE is the full 9.3 mil one, not the 5.7 mil mentioned above.

 

[craigehlo]

I'll never, ever get excited about a TPE.

 

[MickZagger]

Elfred Payton!!

 

[illmatic99]

Elfred Payton!!

already waived. why do we need to use TPE with him?

 

[wizenheimer]

I based my thoughts on CJ the player and not his contract. He would make a solid lead guard for many teams, and most likely an all star in the east. That being said I think his play next to Lillard doesn’t put them to the level necessary to be a solid contender.

I see this said all the time...CJ would be an all-star in the East:

Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Jalen Brown
Kemba Walker
Jaysun Tatum
Malcolm Brogdon
Jimmy Butler
Ben Simmons
Kyrie Irving
Bradley Beal
Fred Van Vleet
Trae Young


Devonte' Graham
Zach Lavine
John Wall
Kyle Lowry
Goran Dragic
Luke Kenard
Colin Sexton

the first thing he'd have to do is for the first time in his career fact the defensive pressure opponents put on the lead guard and number 1 option. He's spent 7 years drafting off Dame. And no, subbing into Dame's role when Dame has been hurt isn't the same

the second thing he'd have to do is beat out all 7 guys on that 2nd list.

That leaves that top list of 12 guys. Maybe 1 or 2 of those guys would be considered forwards. That leaves 10 or 11 and I don't see a single one of them that CJ is clearly better than. He'd have to beat out 5 or 6 of those guys not labeled forwards. Odds are extremely long

 

[wizenheimer]

Jan 2021. We had a 2.3 mil exception that expires in Feb 2021. We cannot combine these per my understanding.

View attachment 35059

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers//cap

Also, since we are out of the tax, our MLE is the full 9.3 mil one, not the 5.7 mil mentioned above.

IIRC, teams that use any amount over the tax-payer MLE of 5.7M...the full MLE in other words, are hard-capped at the apron. I don't think that will be a problem once free agency is over. But the cap-holds of Whiteside and Hood may need to be renounced before they use all their exceptions

 

[MickZagger]

already waived. why do we need to use TPE with him?

Real talk.

 

[illmatic99]

IIRC, teams that use any amount over the tax-payer MLE of 5.7M...the full MLE in other words, are hard-capped at the apron. I don't think that will be a problem once free agency is over. But the cap-holds of Whiteside and Hood may need to be renounced before they use all their exceptions

maybe that's what triggered the Hood news earlier about him opting out.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Jabari would be a good Melo replacement without the obligation to start him. Love the Holmes idea too-- he was better than Hassan last year.

So those of us who hated Melo's game should also hate Parker...

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

"Zach Lowe identified the Kings and Magic as two teams that may be looking to get a little younger this offseason rather than being content with competing again for the No. 8 seed. Nemanja Bjelica was identified by Lowe as a possible trade candidate to watch in Sacramento"
I know Bonesjones has pushing for us to get him with the trade exception. I think he was willing to give a first round pick, but I could be wrong. Of course we don't have any now and not a 2nd rounder until 2022. It would be nice if it turned out we picked Elleby for them, or maybe they just happen to like him? Anything else we have?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

"Zach Lowe identified the Kings and Magic as two teams that may be looking to get a little younger this offseason rather than being content with competing again for the No. 8 seed. Nemanja Bjelica was identified by Lowe as a possible trade candidate to watch in Sacramento"
I know Bonesjones has pushing for us to get him with the trade exception. I think he was willing to give a first round pick, but I could be wrong. Of course we don't have any now and not a 2nd rounder until 2022. It would be nice if it turned out we picked Elleby for them, or maybe they just happen to like him? Anything else we have?

Do we still have the draft rights to Nedzad Sinnovich? Id consider giving them up.

 

[GoBlazersGo]

Do we still have the draft rights to Nedzad Sinnovich? Id consider giving them up.

That's crazy talk... I heard he's World Class with the bo staff nowadays!

 

[TBpup]

Do we still have the draft rights to Nedzad Sinnovich? Id consider giving them up.

The Famous Neddy Z.

 

[illmatic99]

@BonesJones had a great idea that we can use our TPE to absorb S&Ts.

This is a terrific option if we can do it.

Guys like Baynes/Millsap/Bradley would all be candidates. And we can then use our MLE on another guy

 

[RR7]

@BonesJones had a great idea that we can use our TPE to absorb S&Ts.

This is a terrific option if we can do it.

Guys like Baynes/Millsap/Bradley would all be candidates. And we can then use our MLE on another guy

The nice thing about that option is it allows us, if needed, to outbid the BAE and the tax payers MLE.

 

[illmatic99]

The nice thing about that option is it allows us, if needed, to outbid the BAE and the tax payers MLE.

Really hope it's under consideration. We can have a serious influx of talent that can actually play playoff minutes.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

If Olshey doesn’t use the TPE tomorrow, he’s not gonna use it imo.

Well, he didn't use it Wed despite all the wheeling and dealing that was going on. I'd say the odds are real good your prediction is correct.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It got used, and I am SHOCKED