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It's kind of moronic to think that black people don't want their neighborhoods policed. They just want them policed even handedly and fairly.

They want good schools, and strong families, and good jobs, too.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's kind of moronic to think that black people don't want their neighborhoods policed. They just want them policed even handedly and fairly.

They want good schools, and strong families, and good jobs, too.
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I would agree with you. I am just quoting what was written in the article, which if true, I find ironic. I mean after all, he was for the divestment of police in his area and around the country.
 
I wouldn't trust Fox News to fairly present the story.

Divestment of police doesn't mean no police. It means get rid of the current police. I've never seen BLM say they want no police.
 
http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

(Misconceptions)

1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial.

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3. The movement has no agenda. Many believe the Black Lives Matter movement has no agenda — other than yelling and protesting and disrupting the lives of white people. This is also false. Since the earliest days of the movement in Ferguson, groups like the Organization for Black Struggle, the Black Lives Matter network, and others have made both clear and public a list of demands. Those demands include swift and transparent legal investigation of all police shootings of black people; official governmental tracking of the number of citizens killed by police, disaggregated by race; the demilitarization of local police forces; and community accountability mechanisms for rogue police officers. Some proposals like the recently launched Campaign Zero by a group of Ferguson activists call for body cameras on every police officer.
 
For the good of the entire country, the police need to be demilitarized across the board, and demonetized. It seems to me that it's a HUGE conflict of interest when the police budget is directly affected by how many tickets they write or how many people they arrest. There shouldn't be an incentive to go out and arrest more people. This is what has led us to the predicament that we're currently in.
 
Denny Crane said:
I wouldn't trust Fox News to fairly present the story.

Divestment of police doesn't mean no police. It means get rid of the current police. I've never seen BLM say they want no police.
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Go to the link the story was taken from. its linked in the fox article.
 
Natebishop3 said:
For the good of the entire country, the police need to be demilitarized across the board, and demonetized. It seems to me that it's a HUGE conflict of interest when the police budget is directly affected by how many tickets they write or how many people they arrest. There shouldn't be an incentive to go out and arrest more people. This is what has led us to the predicament that we're currently in.
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I agree
 
Denny Crane said:
Still reported by Fox. I don't see Fox quoting BLM site and their proposals.
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Look man, I don't care. I am just pointing out what is reported by two different news outlets. The guy didn't want police and now all of the sudden does because he was affected by crime. It's typical story with these types of people.
 
blue32 said:
Look man, I don't care. I am just pointing out what is reported by two different news outlets. The guy didn't want police and now all of the sudden does because he was affected by crime. It's typical story with these types of people.
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I don't see where anyone can legitimately claim he didn't want police. That's why I commented as I did.

I find much of Fox reporting to be a farce. Some of it is fine, but this ain't it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
For the good of the entire country, the police need to be demilitarized across the board, and demonetized. It seems to me that it's a HUGE conflict of interest when the police budget is directly affected by how many tickets they write or how many people they arrest. There shouldn't be an incentive to go out and arrest more people. This is what has led us to the predicament that we're currently in.
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This would have to coincide with the cessation of the so-called "War on Drugs." Good luck with that. Also with the threat of terrorism looming large in people's minds, it's just not going to happen in any kind of meaningful way.
 
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Should be response by police
 
Case-in-mother-fucking-point.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/nypd-seizes-18-000-during-pocketknife-arrest-9106499

But this past week, the department made a cool $18,000 from a man in the South Bronx for the dire crime of having a pocket knife. In a tweet sent out Sunday by Police Service Area 7, a unit that patrols public housing in two Bronx precints, the department gloated that they “arrested a male for a gravity knife and vouchered $18,000 dollars cash for forfeiture.” (Adding insult to injury, whoever runs the Twitter account over as PSA 7 decided to include an image of the arrestee’s car registration in their trophy shot, thereby publicizing his name and address, down to the apartment number. Without a more official account, we’re not citing that information here.)
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They arrested this dude for having a pocket knife.... and took his $18k as well.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

(Misconceptions)

1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial.
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This is a flat out lie. Go to the FBI's website.

Violent crime in America between races is almost an anomaly, NOT COUNTING CRIMES BETWEEN CRIMINAL GANGS.

Could be partly/mostly because criminals commit crimes near home, but aside from gang warfare, around 90% of all violent crimes are committed against members of the criminal's own race.


Violent crime in America reduced to font size below:

BLACK ON BLACK CRIME
WHITE ON WHITE CRIME
BLACK ON WHITE CRIME
WHITE ON BLACK CRIME
 
Nikolokolus said:
What? Human beings?
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Sort of.

I was referring to these people that continue to cause division and hatred within their communities by supporting such acts as looting, rioting, and violence against police. Then all of the sudden when they are the victim it's "oh shit, I NEED the police".
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't see where anyone can legitimately claim he didn't want police. That's why I commented as I did.

I find much of Fox reporting to be a farce. Some of it is fine, but this ain't it.
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Maybe they found his website and or some of his past work online or what. I don't know, but both outlets said the same thing. You are correct they could be lying, but the numbers don't lie and typically BLM supporters aren't one to want police. You guys can claim all you want that they want reform and this and that, but when you actually watch video of real life demonstrations it's an entirely different tune.
 
MARIS61 said:
This is a flat out lie. Go to the FBI's website.

Violent crime in America between races is almost an anomaly, NOT COUNTING CRIMES BETWEEN CRIMINAL GANGS.

Could be partly/mostly because criminals commit crimes near home, but aside from gang warfare, around 90% of all violent crimes are committed against members of the criminal's own race.


Violent crime in America reduced to font size below:

BLACK ON BLACK CRIME
WHITE ON WHITE CRIME
BLACK ON WHITE CRIME
WHITE ON BLACK CRIME
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"However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial."

INTRARACIAL

MEANS BETWEEN PEOPLE OF THE SAME "RACE":

WHITE ON WHITE

BLACK ON BLACK

and so on.
 
blue32 said:
Maybe they found his website and or some of his past work online or what. I don't know, but both outlets said the same thing. You are correct they could be lying, but the numbers don't lie and typically BLM supporters aren't one to want police. You guys can claim all you want that they want reform and this and that, but when you actually watch video of real life demonstrations it's an entirely different tune.
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They don't want the police as they are.

The police need to change, not black people in their neighborhoods.

The police don't need to stop being police, they need to stop shooting people. They need to do their jobs, and the same way they would in any other neighborhood. And be held accountable for not doing so.
 
Denny Crane said:
They don't want the police as they are.

The police need to change, not black people in their neighborhoods.

The police don't need to stop being police, they need to stop shooting people. They need to do their jobs, and the same way they would in any other neighborhood. And be held accountable for not doing so.
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You wont see me disagreeing with this. We all agree that the militarization of police needs to stop, police brutality needs to stop. However, that is not what some of those people are protesting for. I've heard their shtick on multiple videos. Unfortunately those problem children have great influence over the masses.
 
blue32 said:
You wont see me disagreeing with this. We all agree that the militarization of police needs to stop, police brutality needs to stop. However, that is not what some of those people are protesting for. I've heard their shtick on multiple videos. Unfortunately those problem children have great influence over the masses.
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The problem as I see it is you mix militant cops with blacks in black neighborhoods and they kill people they likely wouldn't in other neighborhoods. The cops aren't put on trial in all but the most publicized and egregious circumstances.

It's on the police to mix well in those neighborhoods. If they take the view that they're a bunch of criminals and draw guns at the slightest provocation, they aren't going to effectively do their job. This is what BLM is opposed to and trying to fix.

And of course some of these shootings are just beyond acceptable. Like cops drawing guns against an unarmed man in a wheel chair and end up shooting him.

The police obviously need more members of the community as police officers policing those communities.

Even if I take the most optimistic POV on how things have been, the frequent images of white cops shooting unarmed black men (and women) is nothing less than embarrassment of the highest order. It is not the police's proper role to serve and PROTECT.
 
Denny Crane said:
The problem as I see it is you mix militant cops with blacks in black neighborhoods and they kill people they likely wouldn't in other neighborhoods. The cops aren't put on trial in all but the most publicized and egregious circumstances.

It's on the police to mix well in those neighborhoods. If they take the view that they're a bunch of criminals and draw guns at the slightest provocation, they aren't going to effectively do their job. This is what BLM is opposed to and trying to fix.

And of course some of these shootings are just beyond acceptable. Like cops drawing guns against an unarmed man in a wheel chair and end up shooting him.

The police obviously need more members of the community as police officers policing those communities.

Even if I take the most optimistic POV on how things have been, the frequent images of white cops shooting unarmed black men (and women) is nothing less than embarrassment of the highest order. It is not the police's proper role to serve and PROTECT.
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The part that I don't understand is how nobody seems to holy politicians accountable. In Portland, the Chief of Police has historically reported directly to the Mayor. The Mayor is the boss. Vote that sucker out. Put someone in power that will actually wield some power with the cops.
 
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