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He was a great hitter so no I'm not surprised.
 
Special instructor for hitting (the needle). How much do you wanna bet he bought this job, some vain attempt to improve his HOF chances.

What's next, Clemens the pitching coach? Maybe Sammy Sosa can work with Dominican kids with big Papi. McGwire the coach....nevermind StL has already done that...
 
totus44 said:
Special instructor for hitting (the needle). How much do you wanna bet he bought this job, some vain attempt to improve his HOF chances.

What's next, Clemens the pitching coach? Maybe Sammy Sosa can work with Dominican kids with big Papi. McGwire the coach....nevermind StL has already done that...
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The McGwire thing really surprised me & really not so much because of the roids. But because you hire a career 260 hitter to teach hitting?
 
This proverb applies: Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
 
Hoooooooooooooooooo! (Ed McMahon)

If MLB is trying to distance players from the PED era, why bring the posterboy's into camps? Or is this going to be a new commercial:

Barry Bonds....greatest hitter of his generation
Barry got jealous of Mark & Sammy's attention
Barry loses confidence in himself turns to drugs
Barry let's PEDs rule his life, becomes a freak, liar and cheat
Barry career ends in disgrace, lucky to be a special instructor in ST

Don't waste your talent like Barry did.


Now if they do something like that, get them all on a roadshow.
 
totus44 said:
Hoooooooooooooooooo! (Ed McMahon)

If MLB is trying to distance players from the PED era, why bring the posterboy's into camps? Or is this going to be a new commercial:

Barry Bonds....greatest hitter of his generation
Barry got jealous of Mark & Sammy's attention
Barry loses confidence in himself turns to drugs
Barry let's PEDs rule his life, becomes a freak, liar and cheat
Barry career ends in disgrace, lucky to be a special instructor in ST

Don't waste your talent like Barry did.


Now if they do something like that, get them all on a roadshow.
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My thing here is that its only ST for Bonds. McGwire should not have been allowed to work on a regular basis in the sport.
 
Rick, I don't really see the distinction being that fine. Either these guys are allowed baseball or not. Assuming the MLBPA will defend against the latter, we have what we have now. Having spent time in StL on business, Mac is loved and revered in that town, regardless.

Bonds on the other hand is a very different story.
 
totus44 said:
Rick, I don't really see the distinction being that fine. Either these guys are allowed baseball or not. Assuming the MLBPA will defend against the latter, we have what we have now. Having spent time in StL on business, Mac is loved and revered in that town, regardless.

Bonds on the other hand is a very different story.
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The distinction as I see it is that Bonds was invited back as a TEMPORARY guest while McGwire has been rewarded for his part in the scandel with a full time job in the sport that he helped disgrace.
 
Maybe I'm reading the tea leaves, I see the Bond thing as trial balloon. If it doesn't spark a major protest or negative media blitz, the team would likely expand his role. No one wants to deal with a prospect of collusion to keep him out of baseball, that has massive legal issues for MLB. And frankly this is a way for the Giants to address the 800 lb. Gorilla in the room, the one they knew about all along and continued to profit off of the circus act.

Maybe the way we get past this era is not by putting it in exile, but rather including it to a level that can be better controlled. I for one always felt a path to reconciliation with Pete Rose would have served baseball better than his exile. Of course, complete transparency with these players needs to happen.

Braun and Arod were not deterred by the treatment of their predecessors. MLB needs a new vehicle to entice players to walk the straight and narrow. A constant reminder of seeing those that squandered talent could be the approach. And if these guys work under contract, they are much less the lose cannons they could be otherwise....Canseco ring any bells?
 
totus44 said:
Maybe I'm reading the tea leaves, I see the Bond thing as trial balloon. If it doesn't spark a major protest or negative media blitz, the team would likely expand his role. No one wants to deal with a prospect of collusion to keep him out of baseball, that has massive legal issues for MLB. And frankly this is a way for the Giants to address the 800 lb. Gorilla in the room, the one they knew about all along and continued to profit off of the circus act.

Maybe the way we get past this era is not by putting it in exile, but rather including it to a level that can be better controlled. I for one always felt a path to reconciliation with Pete Rose would have served baseball better than his exile. Of course, complete transparency with these players needs to happen.

Braun and Arod were not deterred by the treatment of their predecessors. MLB needs a new vehicle to entice players to walk the straight and narrow. A constant reminder of seeing those that squandered talent could be the approach. And if these guys work under contract, they are much less the lose cannons they could be otherwise....Canseco ring any bells?
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Yep. Baseball accepting steroid cheats back and giving them jobs around young corruptible players, steroid cheats being rewarded with high multi year contracts. Pretty soon the writers will get the word that its ok to put these cheats in the hall of fame. The foundations of baseball purism is cracking and sort of like our society in general. But I hope they put Pete Rose in the hall before all these steroid cheats.
 
totus44 said:
Maybe I'm reading the tea leaves, I see the Bond thing as trial balloon. If it doesn't spark a major protest or negative media blitz, the team would likely expand his role. No one wants to deal with a prospect of collusion to keep him out of baseball, that has massive legal issues for MLB. And frankly this is a way for the Giants to address the 800 lb. Gorilla in the room, the one they knew about all along and continued to profit off of the circus act.

Maybe the way we get past this era is not by putting it in exile, but rather including it to a level that can be better controlled. I for one always felt a path to reconciliation with Pete Rose would have served baseball better than his exile. Of course, complete transparency with these players needs to happen.

Braun and Arod were not deterred by the treatment of their predecessors. MLB needs a new vehicle to entice players to walk the straight and narrow. A constant reminder of seeing those that squandered talent could be the approach. And if these guys work under contract, they are much less the lose cannons they could be otherwise....Canseco ring any bells?
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This is 100% an MLB issue IMO. They tolerated (encouraged?) steroids and the teams just followed their lead. Bonds is the poster boy for steroids and apparently is still the martyr (judging by this thread), but why is he attacked so much more than McGuire, Sosa, ARod, Braun, etc. Those guys all get their licks but ARod and Braun were caught cheating multiple times and were still allowed to play. Bonds was "cheating" when it wasn't against the rules. Plenty of other guys juiced and shat on the game before, during, and after he did. He was just the best and a variety of factors made him a target. I get why hes a target, but its frustrating to even read this thread and see how much resentment people have for this guy compared to other known cheaters.

If the MLB wants to end this shit or deal with the steroid issue, its up to them to do so. They don't want to acknowledge the problem and acknowledge their passive approval of steroids and steroids continue to be a problem in the sport. They could try to ban everyone and go for a full on clean-up of the game. They could acknowledge that its a part of the history of the sport and that they didn't do enough to stop steroids (and that would be a political way of saying it). Instead they pretend like they're disgusted with the steroids and that they're policing the players and they try to downplay the steroid era and make it seem like this is a new era of baseball.
 
...actually it's up to the MLBPA just as much...afterall, Selig approached the union in 2000 about addressing the growing problem but was shot down...2 years later the MLBPA finally admitted there was a problem and they are actually the ones who pushed the current program through...but I know what you mean.
 
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Run BJM said:
This is 100% an MLB issue IMO. They tolerated (encouraged?) steroids and the teams just followed their lead. Bonds is the poster boy for steroids and apparently is still the martyr (judging by this thread), but why is he attacked so much more than McGuire, Sosa, ARod, Braun, etc. Those guys all get their licks but ARod and Braun were caught cheating multiple times and were still allowed to play. Bonds was "cheating" when it wasn't against the rules. Plenty of other guys juiced and shat on the game before, during, and after he did. He was just the best and a variety of factors made him a target. I get why hes a target, but its frustrating to even read this thread and see how much resentment people have for this guy compared to other known cheaters.

If the MLB wants to end this shit or deal with the steroid issue, its up to them to do so. They don't want to acknowledge the problem and acknowledge their passive approval of steroids and steroids continue to be a problem in the sport. They could try to ban everyone and go for a full on clean-up of the game. They could acknowledge that its a part of the history of the sport and that they didn't do enough to stop steroids (and that would be a political way of saying it). Instead they pretend like they're disgusted with the steroids and that they're policing the players and they try to downplay the steroid era and make it seem like this is a new era of baseball.
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That's what pissed me off so much about Selig, this hypocrite turned his back to this shit when the chase of 98 was going on (McGwire & Sosa) and even at one point credited them with saving the game & bringing back the fans. And now he's all holyier then though trying put an an end to something that he for many years turned a blind eye to.

Remember all the commercials, "CHICKS DIG THE LONG BALL" it wouldn't surprise me at all if he directed & produced most of those.
 
If Bonds came up short of Aaron he wouldn't have been given such grief as he does now. IMO
 
...rick, to be fair, back in 1998 there were only whispers about PEDs (how many of us were talking about it back then?) and Baseball was still trying to overcome the damage done by the strike of '94...Selig did try to do something but the union would not acknowledge the problem at the time and quickly rebuffed him...and he was not formally told of the problem till 2000 when he was approached by some concerned medical experts...is Selig accountable?...of course he is, he's the Commish...but the MLBPA and the BBWAA should also share the blame.

...I know you weren't serious but the "Chicks dig the long ball" thing was a Nike commercial...so I doubt Selig had much input...but it was a very funny commercial;

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BigDaddyAl1973 said:
If Bonds came up short of Aaron he wouldn't have been given such grief as he does now. IMO
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...possible, but I think Bonds got the most grief because because he was also a total dick and very unpopular with the press...he was very polarizing and very "hatable", much like ARod.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...possible, but I think Bonds got the most grief because because he was also a total dick and very unpopular with the press...he was very polarizing and very "hatable", much like ARod.
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Very True as much of a fan I was of both he & his dad Bobby, Barry was his own worst enemy.
 
Hey in 1998, I would walk into the gym (24hour Fitness) and a life size cardboard cutout of McGwire hawking Andro and pro-Test Supplements. GNC in the same mall had similar ads and products.

As for Bonds, he stands out due to the federal charges and conviction, and the larger sin of 756.
 
...the problem for baseball and the union as far as testing goes, is how in the hell can they somehow keep pace with the chemists that make new versions of the stuff as well as masking agents?
 
Look there's always going to be something, Hey I remember people scratching there heads over Kirby Puckett when he jumped from 4 HRs to 31 HRs in the almost the same # of ABs. I think it was 1985 to 1986. Thats a 27 HR difference. Hell Bonds increase was only 24 & he was already known as a HR hitter. Which is the real shame in itself, he didn't even need the shit. What a waste.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...the problem for baseball and the union as far as testing goes, is how in the hell can they somehow keep pace with the chemists that make new versions of the stuff as well as masking agents?
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there will always be snitches too leading to investigations of "clinics" that will hopefully keep bringing down cheaters
 
...^^^if they want to cheat and take the risk, they will....I'm talking about the chemists who keep making the stuff...by the time the testing program is updated to the newest masking agents, these chemists are one step ahead with a new formula that won't show up in a drug test...or how about the "lozenges" ARod and Braun and others were taking? You pop one in your mouth an hour before the game and by the time the game is over all trace of it is gone from your system.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...^^^if they want to cheat and take the risk, they will....I'm talking about the chemists who keep making the stuff...by the time the testing program is updated to the newest masking agents, these chemists are one step ahead with a new formula that won't show up in a drug test...or how about the "lozenges" ARod and Braun and others were taking? You pop one in your mouth an hour before the game and by the time the game is over all trace of it is gone from your system.
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oh I am aware of that, but for the most part these guys are idiots and eventually they get will tell the wrong person and another ring gets taken down. Will it ever go away? No. As you said the guys creating masking agents will always been one step ahead, one year ahead, one generation ahead, you just would hope that anyone who sees or hears of a fellow player cheating will drop a dime and expose the cheat.
 
Yup, never going to get ahead of the chemists, the demand is way too high. And not just from athletes. I have one compound that was just licensed to a biotech that turned around and did a deal worth up to 3/4 Billion dollars. Why? Because this compound transforms adipose tissue into lean muscle and promotes lean muscle growth without exercise. This is a big deal for the obese, MD patients, people with ALS, or the crippled/paralyzed. But you can bet your paycheck this will also be used as a PED. Mechanism of action is a natural pathway, WADA asked us to devise a test and we said its impossible.

Time to embrace modern chemistry and supplement all players to a biochemically level playing field.
 
With the home run number WAY down compared to 6-7 years ago, they must be doing something right. And I'll bet anything that it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone starts hitting 60+ HRs again. Low maybe mid 50s yes but the bullshit years that guys like Sosa & McGwire were putting up year after year we'll never see again.
 
Depends on what is hitting in the low 50's....Brady Anderson?
 
totus44 said:
Yup, never going to get ahead of the chemists, the demand is way too high. And not just from athletes. I have one compound that was just licensed to a biotech that turned around and did a deal worth up to 3/4 Billion dollars. Why? Because this compound transforms adipose tissue into lean muscle and promotes lean muscle growth without exercise. This is a big deal for the obese, MD patients, people with ALS, or the crippled/paralyzed. But you can bet your paycheck this will also be used as a PED. Mechanism of action is a natural pathway, WADA asked us to devise a test and we said its impossible.

Time to embrace modern chemistry and supplement all players to a biochemically level playing field.
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There is hope for me!

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