Buying low - Spencer Hawes

[Charcoal Filtered]

Just looking at the numbers and without seeing him play on a regular basis, he has not played well for the Clippers. I think a more half court oriented team like ours would be beneficial to him. We also have a player that could use his tools better in Thomas Robinson while getting the Clippers closer to avoiding the luxury tax. I have no doubts Ballmer has no problems paying but the repeat tax makes getting below smart.

 

[Natebishop3]

Too expensive. Neil wouldn't waste our cap space on him.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I still think he's a good, young-ish, smart, skilled player. I think he could easily replicate what Kaman's doing. And he's MLE.

about as interestingly, is it the time to sell high on Chris Kaman? Have you looked at his numbers in the last 2 weeks?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Too expensive. Neil wouldn't waste our cap space on him.

It's happened before, but I would be shocked if our top 5 guys this season weren't our top 5 guys next season. Add in MLE, BAE? & first rounder, repeat. No cap space, no cap space issues.

 

[magnifier661]

I think Hawes would have fit in fine here, but I absolutely love Kaman. His ability to post and defend is more appreciated than a stretch 4

 

[PDXFonz]

Kaman > Hawes

Pass. I understand the desire to trade, but this is one of those years where it's probably better not to.

 

[magnifier661]

I still think he's a good, young-ish, smart, skilled player. I think he could easily replicate what Kaman's doing. And he's MLE.

about as interestingly, is it the time to sell high on Chris Kaman? Have you looked at his numbers in the last 2 weeks?

He will come back. At least he's still rebounding and defending

 

[BrianFromWA]

in his last 8 games, Kaman is 31-78 (39%), for 80 points (1.02 pps, 10.0ppg) and 54 rebounds (6.8/g). It's kept his season averages at 10.4ppg and 6.8rpg, but on more shots (at a lower, now 49% FG for the season) in fewer minutes (more "black-hol-ish", which might be the point).

 

[BrianFromWA]

He will come back. At least he's still rebounding and defending

Fair enough.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I still think he's a good, young-ish, smart, skilled player. I think he could easily replicate what Kaman's doing. And he's MLE.

about as interestingly, is it the time to sell high on Chris Kaman? Have you looked at his numbers in the last 2 weeks?

And he has deep shooting range suited to Stotts' offense.

 

[riverman]

I wouldn't trade Kaman for Hawes if you actually want defense and a playoff savvy big guy. Come playoff time you'll regret having Hawes coming off the bench instead of Kaman. Kaman has played well. Why just break down the last 8 games since we've played 19?

 

[riverman]

I would trade Kaman to Orlando for Vucevic though..even add TRob. I really like that young guy's game.

 

[Strenuus]

I would trade Kaman to Orlando for Vucevic though..even add TRob. I really like that young guy's game.

I love vuc a ton. but he'll take a ton. the dude can play. kaman and trob wouldn't come close... they are rebuilding and he's a cornerstone.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

I would not want to trade Kaman but have Hawes play along side him with the second unit. Stotts already tried playing Leonard in the stretch 4 with him.

 

[kjironman1]

I would not want to trade Kaman but have Hawes play along side him with the second unit. Stotts already tried playing Leonard in the stretch 4 with him.

A better look right now has been Freeland and Kaman. Those two are starting to look good together.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Doesn't seem like a need at all.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Doesn't seem like a need at all.

Despite the improvement this year, the Blazers are still #29 in bench minutes. Teams are starting to key on Kaman in the second unit because Freeland does not keep them honest.

A better look right now has been Freeland and Kaman. Those two are starting to look good together.

Kaman is shooting 41% in his last ten games. Coincidence that Joel started getting minutes 12 games ago?

 

[julius]

And Hawes is shooting 41% from the floor in his last 10 games.

I'm continually amazed at how much love Hawes gets from some fans.

 

[craigehlo]

No thanks. Hawes' game has already drifted to the 3-point line. One reason I love Kaman is that he keeps the pressure on the opposing teams to defend the paint when Rolo is on the bench.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Despite the improvement this year, the Blazers are still #29 in bench minutes. Teams are starting to key on Kaman in the second unit because Freeland does not keep them honest.



Kaman is shooting 41% in his last ten games. Coincidence that Joel started getting minutes 12 games ago?

It's the wing guys we need to improve, not the interior guys Keying on Kaman because no one else can score

 

[magnifier661]

It's the wing guys we need to improve, not the interior guys Keying on Kaman because no one else can score

What's your opinion on Crabbe? Do you think he can make a jump with scoring with more burn?

Also, CJ can score and I'm a little hesitant to bring anyone that may take away from Crabbe and CJ's development.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No thanks. Hawes' game has already drifted to the 3-point line. One reason I love Kaman is that he keeps the pressure on the opposing teams to defend the paint when Rolo is on the bench.

I don't understand why you're contrasting Kaman with Hawes. The premise of the thread is using other assets to get Hawes to play alongside Kaman, not in place of him.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't understand why you're contrasting Kaman with Hawes. The premise of the thread is using other assets to get Hawes to play alongside Kaman, not in place of him.

How does this happen? Like who would the Blazers give up?

 

[illmatic99]

Doesn't Kaman have a no-trade clause?

 

[magnifier661]

Doesn't Kaman have a no-trade clause?

Yeah it's called "Olshey ain't stupid provision"

Section 10, provision 4b: "Prohibit to make deals in which the GM shall but not limited to express interest, trades, or release said player(s) or coaching staff that will completely fuck up chemistry, strength or the damn fucking team itself"

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How does this happen? Like who would the Blazers give up?

The OP suggested Robinson as a starting point, thinking that his game would be a better fit in "Lob City" than it is here.

What would you suggest?

 

[Mediocre Man]

What's your opinion on Crabbe? Do you think he can make a jump with scoring with more burn?

Also, CJ can score and I'm a little hesitant to bring anyone that may take away from Crabbe and CJ's development.

My opinion on Crabbe is that he needs to improve dramatically on his handle to be able to create his own shot, which is what we need. For example, having scoring is is great, but if all your scorers are spot up 3 point shooters, then no one will score.

CJ has better handles, but if you think the Blazers have any kind of real shot to compete for a title, then developing players should be a mute point.

 

[magnifier661]

The OP suggested Robinson as a starting point, thinking that his game would be a better fit in "Lob City" than it is here.

What would you suggest?

I don't think we have the players, which we would be willing to give up, that Clippers would want.

Most likely the Clipps would want Robinson, as the starting point you mentioned, plus CJ or Leonard. I don't know if Olshey would even consider that.

 

[magnifier661]

My opinion on Crabbe is that he needs to improve dramatically on his handle to be able to create his own shot, which is what we need. For example, having scoring is is great, but if all your scorers are spot up 3 point shooters, then no one will score.

CJ has better handles, but if you think the Blazers have any kind of real shot to compete for a title, then developing players should be a mute point.

I agree about Crabbe, but I think he's a solid bench player. Of course he won't be a "go to scorer", but I could see him on the leak outs and wide open Threes.

I see CJ being that bench scorer that can create their own shot. Only time will help him in this regard.

As for development... I know all of us are talking championship. But we gotta realize we are playing with "house money". Olshey says we are a year ahead of schedule, which I believe means, we are supposed to be contenders in a year or two. With that said, I think CJ will be that guy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree about Crabbe, but I think he's a solid bench player. Of course he won't be a "go to scorer", but I could see him on the leak outs and wide open Threes.

I see CJ being that bench scorer that can create their own shot. Only time will help him in this regard.

As for development... I know all of us are talking championship. But we gotta realize we are playing with "house money". Olshey says we are a year ahead of schedule, which I believe means, we are supposed to be contenders in a year or two. With that said, I think CJ will be that guy.

If he will be that guy, then great. However, if you think you have a shot now, then try to win now. Who knows what will happen next year