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I could see Avery landing in Chicago.

I wonder if Karl is going to get the boot? Denver seems a bit dysfunctional and I don't see him lasting in there either.
 
Do you want him in NJ or something? Cause I sure as hell don't
 
wow, that was quick.

well, he had it coming to him. Firstly because of the two years in a row first round elimination, and secondly, well, with Kidd coming in, did he REALLY expect to keep his job for a while?
 
Mark Stein reported that Chicago has had internal discussions over Avery. I think he'll end up being the Bulls coach. Pretty good hire if Paxson can seal the deal. It'll make suffering through assclown Boylan worth the wait of not hiring a coach midseason.

Avery just got screwed by the Kidd trade.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 30 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you want him in NJ or something? Cause I sure as hell don't</div>


Hell Nah. I don't want him in Jersey. I was just surprised at how fast he got canned...lol.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Apr 30 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mark Stein reported that Chicago has had internal discussions over Avery. I think he'll end up being the Bulls coach. Pretty good hire if Paxson can seal the deal. It'll make suffering through assclown Boylan worth the wait of not hiring a coach midseason.

Avery just got screwed by the Kidd trade.</div>
You said the same thing about Thibo...
 
Avery should wait out for the Pistons, I get the feeling if Detroit doesn't advance to the Finals, Flip is a goner.
 
It's obvious that Cuban trying to cover up his mistake by making it look like it was Avery's fault.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Apr 30 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mark Stein reported that Chicago has had internal discussions over Avery. I think he'll end up being the Bulls coach. Pretty good hire if Paxson can seal the deal. It'll make suffering through assclown Boylan worth the wait of not hiring a coach midseason.

Avery just got screwed by the Kidd trade.</div>

damn i didnt know avril lavigne had an a$$ like THAT ?! it totally changes my views on her.
anyway......i always thought avery was a great coach. i dont know what happened.
 
It was only last August that Donnie Nelson called Harris, Diop, Ager and Howard the "future cornerstone of the franchise".

--Now, they have lost three of the four players to the Nets, along with two draft picks that would have added to the "future cornerstone" and seen the fourth player admit to illegal drug use, look awful in the playoffs and be criticized for having a party after the most critical loss in the series.

--They lost to a division rival that is younger, more athletic and likely to get better while they get older. Their roster includes ELEVEN players who will be age 30 or older by July 1: Jason Kidd, Erick Dampier, Jason Terry, Dirk Nowitzki, Malik Allen, Devean George, Tyrone Lue, Eddie Jones, Jerry Stackhouse, Jamal Magloire and Juwan Howard. The only players under 30 are Josh Howard, Brandon Bass, Juan Jose Barea and Antoine Wright.

--They now have the biggest payroll in the NBA, bigger than the Knicks. Their free agents are all minimum salary type guys. They owe $100 million to Kidd, Dampier, Stackhouse, Terry and Jones...

--They took on $11 million in extra salary and luxury taxes as a result of the Kidd trade, for which they got nothing.

--They now have to make a decision on extending Kidd, who looked every day of 35 years old. Reports just before the trade had the Mavs giving Kidd a gentlemens agreement to extend him for two years and $20 million. Kidd has said recently he wants to play til he is 38 and retire as a Mav. Do the math...that means he wants a two year extension.

--They wound up firing the NBA coach with the highest winning percentage of active coaches.

WOW.
 
Avery Johnson is the fastest head coach to 150 wins ever. In my mind, if guys like Byron Scott and Doc Rivers can get canned and land on their feet just fine, Avery Johnson would be a great pickup.

But like ToddMac said, Flip Saunders could also get fired. Think about this, Avery, D'Antoni, and Flip could all be on the coaching market this summer. Three of the winningest coaches in the NBA this decade.
 
Imagine if the Celtics lost the series and Doc was fired. Then every jobless coach would want to come to Beantown. (d'antoni, avery, etc)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Apr 30 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Imagine if the Celtics lost the series and Doc was fired. Then every jobless coach would want to come to Beantown. (d'antoni, avery, etc)</div>

If Rivers got canned, I could see Avery going to Boston (out of the 3 other possibly canned coaches) and being the most successful.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 30 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you want him in NJ or something? Cause I sure as hell don't</div>
I concur. Between him and Frank I chose Frank.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 30 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Apr 30 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Imagine if the Celtics lost the series and Doc was fired. Then every jobless coach would want to come to Beantown. (d'antoni, avery, etc)</div>

If Rivers got canned, I could see Avery going to Boston (out of the 3 other possibly canned coaches) and being the most successful.
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You think he would be more successful with the current Celtics team than Doc has been?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Apr 30 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 30 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Apr 30 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Imagine if the Celtics lost the series and Doc was fired. Then every jobless coach would want to come to Beantown. (d'antoni, avery, etc)</div>

If Rivers got canned, I could see Avery going to Boston (out of the 3 other possibly canned coaches) and being the most successful.
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You think he would be more successful with the current Celtics team than Doc has been?
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Eh, he'd probably be just as successful in the regular season...but I'd expect him to become more successful in the playoffs, especially with the presence of a true post scorer in Garnett and with a point guard that would be seemingly (in my opinion, at least) more to his liking.
 
Im just wondering if what thorn said about frank being here next season is real, or he might change his mind? Because there will be at least 3 or 4 very good coaches on the market. I dont want to lose out on the opportunity to get a good coach.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 30 2008, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Apr 30 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 30 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Apr 30 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Imagine if the Celtics lost the series and Doc was fired. Then every jobless coach would want to come to Beantown. (d'antoni, avery, etc)</div>

If Rivers got canned, I could see Avery going to Boston (out of the 3 other possibly canned coaches) and being the most successful.
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You think he would be more successful with the current Celtics team than Doc has been?
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Eh, he'd probably be just as successful in the regular season...but I'd expect him to become more successful in the playoffs, especially with the presence of a true post scorer in Garnett and with a point guard that would be seemingly (in my opinion, at least) more to his liking.
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He preaches more defense that's for sure. Imagine him and Thibedau together. lol
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 30 2008, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im just wondering if what thorn said about frank being here next season is real, or he might change his mind? Because there will be at least 3 or 4 very good coaches on the market. I dont want to lose out on the opportunity to get a good coach.</div>
I think the only coach Thorn would consider making a change for is Eddie Jordan, and he would probably try and get him as an assistant first.

He would never hire Avery. I think Devin's head would explode if that happened.
 
The NBA. Where...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 30 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It was only last August that Donnie Nelson called Harris, Diop, Ager and Howard the "future cornerstone of the franchise".

--Now, they have lost three of the four players to the Nets, along with two draft picks that would have added to the "future cornerstone" and seen the fourth player admit to illegal drug use, look awful in the playoffs and be criticized for having a party after the most critical loss in the series.

--They lost to a division rival that is younger, more athletic and likely to get better while they get older. Their roster includes ELEVEN players who will be age 30 or older by July 1: Jason Kidd, Erick Dampier, Jason Terry, Dirk Nowitzki, Malik Allen, Devean George, Tyrone Lue, Eddie Jones, Jerry Stackhouse, Jamal Magloire and Juwan Howard. The only players under 30 are Josh Howard, Brandon Bass, Juan Jose Barea and Antoine Wright.

--They now have the biggest payroll in the NBA, bigger than the Knicks. Their free agents are all minimum salary type guys. They owe $100 million to Kidd, Dampier, Stackhouse, Terry and Jones...

--They took on $11 million in extra salary and luxury taxes as a result of the Kidd trade, for which they got nothing.

--They now have to make a decision on extending Kidd, who looked every day of 35 years old. Reports just before the trade had the Mavs giving Kidd a gentlemens agreement to extend him for two years and $20 million. Kidd has said recently he wants to play til he is 38 and retire as a Mav. Do the math...that means he wants a two year extension.

--They wound up firing the NBA coach with the highest winning percentage of active coaches.

WOW.</div>

happens.
 
In regards to D'Antoni.... IMO if he leaves PHX he will probably end up in Toronto. Where he has contacts and friends and also players that fit his style. im 100% sure collangelo will ask him if he wants to join his team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 30 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It was only last August that Donnie Nelson called Harris, Diop, Ager and Howard the "future cornerstone of the franchise".

--Now, they have lost three of the four players to the Nets, along with two draft picks that would have added to the "future cornerstone" and seen the fourth player admit to illegal drug use, look awful in the playoffs and be criticized for having a party after the most critical loss in the series.

--They lost to a division rival that is younger, more athletic and likely to get better while they get older. Their roster includes ELEVEN players who will be age 30 or older by July 1: Jason Kidd, Erick Dampier, Jason Terry, Dirk Nowitzki, Malik Allen, Devean George, Tyrone Lue, Eddie Jones, Jerry Stackhouse, Jamal Magloire and Juwan Howard. The only players under 30 are Josh Howard, Brandon Bass, Juan Jose Barea and Antoine Wright.

--They now have the biggest payroll in the NBA, bigger than the Knicks. Their free agents are all minimum salary type guys. They owe $100 million to Kidd, Dampier, Stackhouse, Terry and Jones...

--They took on $11 million in extra salary and luxury taxes as a result of the Kidd trade, for which they got nothing.

--They now have to make a decision on extending Kidd, who looked every day of 35 years old. Reports just before the trade had the Mavs giving Kidd a gentlemens agreement to extend him for two years and $20 million. Kidd has said recently he wants to play til he is 38 and retire as a Mav. Do the math...that means he wants a two year extension.

--They wound up firing the NBA coach with the highest winning percentage of active coaches.

WOW.</div>

wow epic post, that's going in my sig. I'd be baffled if anyone could defend the Kidd trade for the Mavs at this point, and especially to how the season has unfolded and how the following years will progress.

In THRON we trust.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 30 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 30 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It was only last August that Donnie Nelson called Harris, Diop, Ager and Howard the "future cornerstone of the franchise".

--Now, they have lost three of the four players to the Nets, along with two draft picks that would have added to the "future cornerstone" and seen the fourth player admit to illegal drug use, look awful in the playoffs and be criticized for having a party after the most critical loss in the series.

--They lost to a division rival that is younger, more athletic and likely to get better while they get older. Their roster includes ELEVEN players who will be age 30 or older by July 1: Jason Kidd, Erick Dampier, Jason Terry, Dirk Nowitzki, Malik Allen, Devean George, Tyrone Lue, Eddie Jones, Jerry Stackhouse, Jamal Magloire and Juwan Howard. The only players under 30 are Josh Howard, Brandon Bass, Juan Jose Barea and Antoine Wright.

--They now have the biggest payroll in the NBA, bigger than the Knicks. Their free agents are all minimum salary type guys. They owe $100 million to Kidd, Dampier, Stackhouse, Terry and Jones...

--They took on $11 million in extra salary and luxury taxes as a result of the Kidd trade, for which they got nothing.

--They now have to make a decision on extending Kidd, who looked every day of 35 years old. Reports just before the trade had the Mavs giving Kidd a gentlemens agreement to extend him for two years and $20 million. Kidd has said recently he wants to play til he is 38 and retire as a Mav. Do the math...that means he wants a two year extension.

--They wound up firing the NBA coach with the highest winning percentage of active coaches.

WOW.</div>

wow epic post, that's going in my sig. I'd be baffled if anyone could defend the Kidd trade for the Mavs at this point, and especially to how the season has unfolded and how the following years will progress.

In THRON we trust.
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CHEERS!
 
Randy Galloway, ESPN Radio: "What would you have done differently?"

Avery Johnson: "Maybe give Devin Harris the ball a little bit earlier, maybe started developing him a little bit earlier."

Avery wouldn’t answer whether he approved J-Kidd trade directly, but in doing so, communicated that he was not in favor of the trade (as almost everybody already knew). His answer was basically that he didn’t want to throw Jason Kidd, Mark Cuban under the bus by saying what his thoughts were.

http://sportsblog.ws/avery-johnson-radio-i...script-summary/
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 30 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Randy Galloway, ESPN Radio: "What would you have done differently?"

Avery Johnson: "Maybe give Devin Harris the ball a little bit earlier, maybe started developing him a little bit earlier."

Avery wouldn’t answer whether he approved J-Kidd trade directly, but in doing so, communicated that he was not in favor of the trade (as almost everybody already knew). His answer was basically that he didn’t want to throw Jason Kidd, Mark Cuban under the bus by saying what his thoughts were.

http://sportsblog.ws/avery-johnson-radio-i...script-summary/</div>

Exactly right.

Devin Harris setting all those career highs with the Nets got Avery fired.

Now the players all think he is costing them money.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 30 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Randy Galloway, ESPN Radio: "What would you have done differently?"

Avery Johnson: "Maybe give Devin Harris the ball a little bit earlier, maybe started developing him a little bit earlier."

Avery wouldn’t answer whether he approved J-Kidd trade directly, but in doing so, communicated that he was not in favor of the trade (as almost everybody already knew). His answer was basically that he didn’t want to throw Jason Kidd, Mark Cuban under the bus by saying what his thoughts were.

http://sportsblog.ws/avery-johnson-radio-i...script-summary/</div>

Exactly right.

Devin Harris setting all those career highs with the Nets got Avery fired.

Now the players all think he is costing them money.
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Listening to ESPN Radio in Dallas via XM tonight, I found out a number of things regarding the trade:

1. Nowitzki pushed it hard, from beginning to end.

2. Cuban handled everything about the deal. Neither Donn Nelson nor Avery Johnson were involved in the deal making.

3. Johnson didn't like the deal...said so.

4. With few exceptions in the Dallas media, they all loved the deal. Lots of sour grapes now, with guys saying Harris wasn't getting them there either. (Mavs were 30-13 when Harris went down 01/24, 21-22 through rest of the regular season and playoffs.)
 
Firstly, that has to be the fastest Kidd's ever canned a coach. Impressive even by his standards.

Secondly, I can't think of a good place for Avery right now. He's got his issues as a coach, and probably needs a season off to reflect on them. Kind of reminds me of Byron after he got fired. I don't want him on the Nets - he seems to have all of the same problems as Frank, and I'd prefer to try and get D'Antoni anyway.
 
I'm wondering what Diop's relationship was like with Avery.

Anyone think this will effect Diop's returning to either New Jersey or Dallas, or going to another team (possibly a team that hires Avery)?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 1 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm wondering what Diop's relationship was like with Avery.

Anyone think this will effect Diop's returning to either New Jersey or Dallas, or going to another team (possibly a team that hires Avery)?</div>
I think Avery yanked him in and out the lineup a lot. Not sure there is any great feelings there.
 
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