Bye Bye Brandon Clause in New CBA?

[e_blazer]

From Blazersedge:

Zach Lowe of SI.com reports that the ongoing labor negotiations between NBA owners and the Players Association taking place in Dallas include talks regarding a strengthened version of the Amnesty Clause.
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Two sides both like amnesty clause, and would apply to cap AND tax. [Two sides] have discussed a recurring amnesty style-clause teams could use every X years.
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In theory, this type of proposal would allow the Blazers to completely wipe the contract of guard Brandon Roy from their books if they so desired.

If that happens, then I would think it would be pretty unlikely we see Brandon in a Blazers uniform again.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

yes, he'll probably be in a L*kers uniform for minimum salary.

 

[RoyToy]

The Blazers wouldn't use it for at least a year imo. Not convinced PA is ready to give up on him. He did give him that contract when he already knew the condition of his knees after all.

 

[RoyToy]

Then again I wonder if Roy could just restructure his contract? Blazers might try and do that instead if possible. Just don't think PA wants to give up on him.

Also, as someone pointed out on BE, the Blazers could potentially use this on Oden. Sign him to a nice contract and if he doesn't stat healthy....cut his ass.

 

[PapaG]

Then again I wonder if Roy could just restructure his contract? Blazers might try and do that instead if possible. Just don't think PA wants to give up on him.

Also, as someone pointed out on BE, the Blazers could potentially use this on Oden. Sign him to a nice contract and if he doesn't stat healthy....cut his ass.

Hey, I posted that here a few weeks ago on the Amnesty thread! Those BE plagiarizers! Why I oughta...

 

[Further]

Then again I wonder if Roy could just restructure his contract? Blazers might try and do that instead if possible. Just don't think PA wants to give up on him.

Also, as someone pointed out on BE, the Blazers could potentially use this on Oden. Sign him to a nice contract and if he doesn't stat healthy....cut his ass.

There is no reason for Roy to restructure his contract since it sounds like cutting the player takes money off the cap/tax, but if the players are also in favor of it, then most likely the player still gets their full contract. So Roy will get all his money if he gets cut, plus potentially more depending on signing elsewhere.

As far as signing Oden, too late. The Blazers don't have rights anymore. Then can match IF someone else offers a contract, otherwise, they can just offer the qualifying and after that single year, Oden is on the open market.

 

[Draco]

As far as signing Oden, too late. The Blazers don't have rights anymore. Then can match IF someone else offers a contract, otherwise, they can just offer the qualifying and after that single year, Oden is on the open market.

You're wrong. Blazers can sign him to multi year deal. That's what we did with Outlaw.

 

[Further]

oh, dumb me, I knew that. long day. Thanks

 

[Blazinaway]

If the owners/mgmt believe this amnesty will happen in a new CBA it does make planning a teams salary and future very important and interesting for teams like the Blazers who have a huge contract that might be able to come off the cap and lux tax books.

After next season ends we'd only have 7 or 8 guys committed at a little less than 35 mil if Roy's contract is off the books. That includes Qualifying offers for Nic and Rudy at over 3 mil each and it includes Wallace's option (his choice at 10 mil). Interesting

 

[Mediocre Man]

No way the Blazers have the balls to do the right thing for the franchise and waive Brandion. Instead they will deal with the handcuffed salary, and thrive in their first round exits

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Small market teams have got to be opposed to this being a regular thing: rich owners could keep making mistakes and then wiping them out to sign away other teams' best players.

 

[Nikolokolus]

No way the Blazers have the balls to do the right thing for the franchise and waive Brandion. Instead they will deal with the handcuffed salary, and thrive in their first round exits

Well if the past is any kind of indicator of future behavior ...


FML.

 

[Natebishop3]

No way the Blazers have the balls to do the right thing for the franchise and waive Brandion. Instead they will deal with the handcuffed salary, and thrive in their first round exits

 

[Nikolokolus]

Small market teams have got to be opposed to this being a regular thing: rich owners could keep making mistakes and then wiping them out to sign away other teams' best players.

Well, I think the main point is that it appeals to the NBAPA and at least some of the owners. If you have an issue that two sides agree on in a negotiation where they don't agree on much else ... well, you can figure the rest out on your own.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sighing because you agree with me, or think I am "just being negative"?

There are just too many myopic fans out there that think Brandon is still "the man". He is the savior of the franchise, and to waive him would be cold. What they don't realize is that if they keep Brandon in this new CBA era, Portland will likely be cap strapped and have to make some harder decisions on players who are more productive, or will be more productive going forward.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Small market teams have got to be opposed to this being a regular thing: rich owners could keep making mistakes and then wiping them out to sign away other teams' best players.

You'd think they would be, but if in the end, it helps those small market teams turn a bigger profit, or just make a profit in general by getting something back in return from the NBAPA in negotiations, they might be more open to it.

 

[HailBlazers]

The Blazers wouldn't use it for at least a year imo. Not convinced PA is ready to give up on him. He did give him that contract when he already knew the condition of his knees after all.

Agreed. Hopefully it will be leverage though for Brandon Realizing he needs to transform his game, to go back to his roots of being Team first, and get his ego out of the way. It's obvious he can still play a vital role on this team, there's just some stuff in the way of him accepting a role that is different from the past.

Well if the past is any kind of indicator of future behavior ...


FML.

Sucks living in the past huh, doesn't leave you with much room for possibility for the future. Hopefully Brandon can get some help in putting his past where it belongs, so he can create something new with the Blazers. After all, he is the Rip City reviver.

 

[Blazinaway]

Agreed. Hopefully it will be leverage though for Brandon Realizing he needs to transform his game, to go back to his roots of being Team first, and get his ego out of the way. It's obvious he can still play a vital role on this team, there's just some stuff in the way of him accepting a role that is different from the past.



Sucks living in the past huh, doesn't leave you with much room for possibility for the future. Hopefully Brandon can get some help in putting his past where it belongs, so he can create something new with the Blazers.

lets be real, the owners will likely get some type of hard cap, Roy is simply way too expensive even if he can adjust his game and be somewhat productive, he should and will be let go if an amnesty clause becomes available. No emotion, no dislike of Roy, just simple common sense. He'll still get all his money.

 

[e_blazer]

After thinking about it, I'm not sure that it's necessarily in the Blazers' best interests from a cap standpoint to simply waive Brandon even if this new amnesty provision is adopted. Regardless of whether they keep or waive Brandon, they won't have any cap room next season. The following year, they're committed to around $39 million even without Brandon's salary. Assuming the salary cap comes in somewhere in the range of $45-$50 mil, if the Blazers re-sign Oden and do a couple of other moves this summer, they likely won't have any cap space the following year even if Brandon is waived. It would only really help by 2013-14 if the Blazers purposefully choose to keep salaries low so that they can play the FA market that year. I'm not sure that approach is consistent with the win-now attitude that PA is said to be pushing. Unless the Blazers can get a better player for free at the SG spot, I don't really see that waiving Brandon accomplishes much...other than placating his detractors, of course.

 

[Blazinaway]

After thinking about it, I'm not sure that it's necessarily in the Blazers' best interests from a cap standpoint to simply waive Brandon even if this new amnesty provision is adopted. Regardless of whether they keep or waive Brandon, they won't have any cap room next season. The following year, they're committed to around $39 million even without Brandon's salary. Assuming the salary cap comes in somewhere in the range of $45-$50 mil, if the Blazers re-sign Oden and do a couple of other moves this summer, they likely won't have any cap space the following year even if Brandon is waived. It would only really help by 2013-14 if the Blazers purposefully choose to keep salaries low so that they can play the FA market that year. I'm not sure that approach is consistent with the win-now attitude that PA is said to be pushing. Unless the Blazers can get a better player for free at the SG spot, I don't really see that waiving Brandon accomplishes much...other than placating his detractors, of course.

If there is a hard cap it gives us a lot more room, there will be a lot of vets like Roy available for very cheap as owners cut their overpaid players. It's a no brainer, Roy will be cut if that amnesty option is available.

 

[HailBlazers]

lets be real, the owners will likely get some type of hard cap, Roy is simply way too expensive even if he can adjust his game and be somewhat productive, he should and will be let go if an amnesty clause becomes available. No emotion, no dislike of Roy, just simple common sense. He'll still get all his money.

Let's be REAL?!? Were dealing with Paul Allen here, real goes out the window.

 

[Mediocre Man]

After thinking about it, I'm not sure that it's necessarily in the Blazers' best interests from a cap standpoint to simply waive Brandon even if this new amnesty provision is adopted. Regardless of whether they keep or waive Brandon, they won't have any cap room next season. The following year, they're committed to around $39 million even without Brandon's salary. Assuming the salary cap comes in somewhere in the range of $45-$50 mil, if the Blazers re-sign Oden and do a couple of other moves this summer, they likely won't have any cap space the following year even if Brandon is waived. It would only really help by 2013-14 if the Blazers purposefully choose to keep salaries low so that they can play the FA market that year. I'm not sure that approach is consistent with the win-now attitude that PA is said to be pushing. Unless the Blazers can get a better player for free at the SG spot, I don't really see that waiving Brandon accomplishes much...other than placating his detractors, of course.

If there is a hard cap it makes 100% sense. Even if not, it would save our owner a ton of money, and he might be more willing to sign or re-sign a player to put him into the luxury tax that could produce more consistently. It also helps with trades if there is a bit of cap flexability. I thought I read somewhere that the new CBA would have a lot more restrictions on player movement. Being tied down even more by a crappy contract would be bad

 

[Blazinaway]

Let's be REAL?!? Were dealing with Paul Allen here, real goes out the window.

Yes, Paul wants to win above all else, Roy being gone with an amnesty clause increases the team's winning chances by allowing some flexibility to acquire other players and not being hampered by his huge contract, and that therefore "pleases PA", see its not that difficult.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Sucks living in the past huh, doesn't leave you with much room for possibility for the future. Hopefully Brandon can get some help in putting his past where it belongs, so he can create something new with the Blazers. After all, he is the Rip City reviver.

I'll bet this "sounded" a lot smarter in your head before you typed it out.

 

[HailBlazers]

Yes, Paul wants to win above all else, Roy being gone with an amnesty clause increases the team's winning chances by allowing some flexibility to acquire other players and not being hampered by his huge contract, and that therefore "pleases PA", see its not that difficult.

Since it's so easy to acquire other high caliber players. Fact is PA loves his players, and believes in them. I highly doubt he'll give up on his Seattle boy.

I'll bet this "sounded" a lot smarter in your head before you typed it out.

actually it's how I live my life, baggage free, Imagine how much happier people would be if they didn't lug around all their heavy baggage of the past. Look at Lebron, obvious he's got some $hit weighing on his mind that's not serving him well

 

[Blazinaway]

Since it's so easy to acquire other high caliber players. Fact is PA loves his players, and believes in them. I highly doubt he'll give up on his Seattle boy.



actually it's how I live my life, baggage free, Imagine how much happier people would be if they didn't lug around all their heavy baggage of the past. Look at Lebron, obvious he's got some $hit weighing on his mind that's not serving him well

I think you will have a reality check coming, time will tell

 

[e_blazer]

If there is a hard cap it makes 100% sense. Even if not, it would save our owner a ton of money, and he might be more willing to sign or re-sign a player to put him into the luxury tax that could produce more consistently. It also helps with trades if there is a bit of cap flexability. I thought I read somewhere that the new CBA would have a lot more restrictions on player movement. Being tied down even more by a crappy contract would be bad

Everything I've read says that there would be a phase-in of the hard cap. I guess until we know the terms of the new CBA, it's pretty hard to say for sure whether waiving Brandon would make sense.

 

[HailBlazers]

I think you will have a reality check coming, time will tell

If it wasn't for vintage Brandon Roy in game 4 of the playoffs I would say your probably right, but with PA sitting on the floor watching it all go down, I find it hard to believe he's not going to do everything in his power to keep B and make it work. Time will tell indeed.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If it wasn't for vintage Brandon Roy in game 4 of the playoffs I would say your probably right, but with PA sitting on the floor watching it all go down, I find it hard to believe he's not going to do everything in his power to keep B and make it work. Time will tell indeed.

I hate doing this (comparing my own medical history to a pro athlete's, because it's not the same thing) but if you've ever had multiple major injuries and surgeries on the same body part -- in this case a knee -- you'd know that the condition of that knee is going nowhere but downhill with continued high impact activity.

I used to be a pretty serious climber and mountaineer and I did a lot of long distance trail running to train for my climbs and after a torn meniscus, a torn ACL and a torn MCL (football in high-school) I can say with a great deal of confidence that the only thing "time will tell" in Roy's case is that he's going to be needing a knee replacement in ten years if he tries to play NBA basketball for another 4 or 5 years. With no menisci left in either knee, his condition is going to get worse and the rate at which it gets worse is going to accelerate. There's no amount of "hope" or "belief" that is going to reverse that barring a major medical breakthrough.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I hate doing this (comparing my own medical history to a pro athlete's, because it's not the same thing) but if you've ever had multiple major injuries and surgeries on the same body part -- in this case a knee -- you'd know that the condition of that knee is going nowhere but downhill with continued high impact activity.

I used to be a pretty serious climber and mountaineer and I did a lot of long distance trail running to train for my climbs and after a torn meniscus, a torn ACL and a torn MCL (football in high-school) I can say with a great deal of confidence that the only thing "time will tell" in Roy's case is that he's going to be needing a knee replacement in ten years if he tries to play NBA basketball for another 4 or 5 years. With no menisci left in either knee, his condition is going to get worse and the rate at which it gets worse is going to accelerate. There's no amount of "hope" or "belief" that is going to reverse that barring a major medical breakthrough.

Mike Rice just had double knee replacement surgery 2 weeks ago and he's already back working in basketball.