Bynum's punishment?

[maxiep]

I think what will make it worse for Bynum is his complete lack of remorse and his bullshit "We were losing, I wanted out of there, so I fouled a guy" line.

My guess is 5 games and $100K.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The Lakers got swept, and to add insult to injury, they went out showing poor sportsmanship…Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum were both ejected for flagrant fouls, but Andrew Bynum had the cheap shot of the year on Mavericks shooting guard J.J. Barea…My source from the NBA front offices tell me Bynum will be fined in excess of $100,000 and will be suspended for the first 20 games of next season…Bynum could have really hurt Barea, but it’s not the end of the world…If you ever played street ball, you would know cheap shots happen all the time. Does the punishment fit the crime…I think so. -TO

http://www.terezowens.com/nba-to-levy-major-fine-and-suspension-on-bynum/#respond

 

[magnifier661]

The Lakers got swept, and to add insult to injury, they went out showing poor sportsmanship…Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum were both ejected for flagrant fouls, but Andrew Bynum had the cheap shot of the year on Mavericks shooting guard J.J. Barea…My source from the NBA front offices tell me Bynum will be fined in excess of $100,000 and will be suspended for the first 20 games of next season…Bynum could have really hurt Barea, but it’s not the end of the world…If you ever played street ball, you would know cheap shots happen all the time. Does the punishment fit the crime…I think so. -TO

http://www.terezowens.com/nba-to-levy-major-fine-and-suspension-on-bynum/#respond

Well according to his contract, he makes roughly 15 mil per season. The $100,000 is chump change to the amount of money he loses in salary. I did the math and he will lose about 3.65 mil. Pending the lock out, He may even lose more. That would be a great punishment. Sets the tone for the rest of the league.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I know I should be more outraged over what Bynum did.....but the Mavs flop so much, it is tough to care. I *hate* floppers!

 

[magnifier661]

I know I should be more outraged over what Bynum did.....but the Mavs flop so much, it is tough to care. I *hate* floppers!

I was giddy on Artest's cloths line, because it wasn't like he was in mid air, and his chances of permanent injury was slim. What Bynum did was try to intentionally injure the guard. Mid air, elbow right to the ribs, then pulls his shirt off like he was justified for doing it. That is why it's disgusting.

So I seriously hate floppers too. In fact, I wished one of the Blazers would have given JJ a hard foul. But I would never wish for a player to do something that could possibly cause permanent damage.

 

[Shapecity]

I guess Bynum also took exception to Barera elbowing Steve Blake in the face with a 30 point lead prior to driving to the basket and getting leveled by Bynum.

 

[glazeduck]

I guess Bynum also took exception to Barera elbowing Steve Blake in the face with a 30 point lead prior to driving to the basket and getting leveled by Bynum.

My perception of this incident is based on a few factors.

1. Even if this WAS in retaliation to something Barea did earlier, Barea is SMALLER than Blake. If Blake wants to settle things with Barea then that's his prerogative, not somebody who's 16 inches taller and probably 150 lbs heavier to do so.

2. Blake was not in mid-air when he got hit, Barea was. Elbows have no place in basketball, but they happen, as do hard fouls. Mid-air body checks have no place in ANY sport and I tend to agree with the people that are clamoring for assault charges. There was a deliberate attempt to hurt a much smaller player on Bynum's behalf.

3. The score. Not that Barea's elbow against Blake is all that much more excusable, being up 30 he should know better than that, but the Lakers were going home, Barea wasn't. On Barea's behalf, one could argue that he was playing hard and trying to maintain a physical mentality, since he'll need that in the next series. Again, by comparison, this only makes Bynum's act that much more reprehensible. The game, series, and their season was over. What's to argue on his behalf? It appears to me that he was simply trying to hurt Barea, and the NBA can't let that slide.

4. Finally, I think the league HAS to take his prior record into consideration. There are big-man hard fouls, and there are blatant cheap shots. This one, as were his others, was clearly the latter.

I don't necessarily think 20 games is the PERFECT punishment - I'd be more amenable to something like 15 - but I don't think it's absurd either. The league has tried multiple times to send Bynum a message and it clearly hasn't worked yet.

 

[DaRizzle]

He put Gerald Wallace in the hospital with a collapsed lung 2 years ago with the exact same hard elbow to the ribs like that. 20 games seems about right.

I was discussing this with my roommate, we watch the play again, and looked for stories about it.
I too was claiming that was a dirty play until I looked into it more

After that game Bynum apologized to Crash thru the media for hurting him, said he was late on the rotation and was trying to get back in time to not get grilled by the coaches. Said it was 100% unintentional.
Also, he waited at the Bobcats bus for Larry Brown and gave a heartfelt apology to him. Larry even said afterwards it was an accident

 

[RR7]

100% unintentional. Right. It's funny how in all three of those incidents, Wallace, Beasley and Barea, Bynum throws out his elbow and turns his head.
Just watched the video. He was definitey late. Initially looked like he might just go hard foul, but then tossed out the elbow and turned his head. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, three times....you can't fool me again. Same action each time.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I was discussing this with my roommate, we watch the play again, and looked for stories about it.
I too was claiming that was a dirty play until I looked into it more

After that game Bynum apologized to Crash thru the media for hurting him, said he was late on the rotation and was trying to get back in time to not get grilled by the coaches. Said it was 100% unintentional.
Also, he waited at the Bobcats bus for Larry Brown and gave a heartfelt apology to him. Larry even said afterwards it was an accident

You're right! If you watch the video backwards you can clearly see that Wallace intentionally fouls Bynum's elbow with his chest.

 

[Mamba]

I was discussing this with my roommate, we watch the play again, and looked for stories about it.
I too was claiming that was a dirty play until I looked into it more

After that game Bynum apologized to Crash thru the media for hurting him, said he was late on the rotation and was trying to get back in time to not get grilled by the coaches. Said it was 100% unintentional.
Also, he waited at the Bobcats bus for Larry Brown and gave a heartfelt apology to him. Larry even said afterwards it was an accident

You're one stubborn mother fucker. You really think you're going to convince these people that it was unintentional? In their eyes', Bynum murdered a 12 year old.

 

[magnifier661]

You're one stubborn mother fucker. You really think you're going to convince these people that it was unintentional? In their eyes', Bynum murdered a 12 year old.

So his foul on JJ was unintentional? Or are you talking about the foul on Wallace and Beasly?

 

[Mamba]

Wallace--I really don't think he intentionally did that.

Barea/Beasley were intentional.

The one on Beasley was dirty, but would've been fine if he didn't throw that elbow out. He needs to learn that. Hard fouls are fine...just do them right. I"m sure he felt vindicated by it after Kobe applauded the hard foul after the game.

It definitely is funny to see everybody's reaction to this. If this were the late 80's, it would just be another foul.

 

[magnifier661]

Wallace--I really don't think he intentionally did that.

Barea/Beasley were intentional.

The one on Beasley was dirty, but would've been fine if he didn't throw that elbow out. He needs to learn that. Hard fouls are fine...just do them right. I"m sure he felt vindicated by it after Kobe applauded the hard foul after the game.

It definitely is funny to see everybody's reaction to this. If this were the late 80's, it would just be another foul.

It's the Lakers and we are haters. What do you expect? I haven't witnessed either incident with Wallace and Beasly, so I can't put it into pespective. But it seems this happens when the Lakers are getting their asses handed to themselves. Minny was kicking the shit out of the Lakers and so was Charlotte during those fouls. And here we have JJ getting his when the Lakers were being embarrassed on the court.

Yeah Hard fouls are fine. Trying to intentionally hurt a player isn't. The NBA career is such a small window. And Bynum of all people should know about injuries. How would you feel if Bynum was going for a dunk and JJ ran underneith him and caused him to land on his head? How would you feel about it?

 

[Boob-No-More]

The one on Beasley was dirty, but would've been fine if he didn't throw that elbow out. He needs to learn that. Hard fouls are fine...just do them right.

Agreed. What you just described is the difference between a hard foul and a dirty foul. Hard fouls are fine and the intent is to send a message. There is no intent to injure anything more than the recipient's pride. Planting a guy on his ass is a good hard foul. I've never heard of anyone sustaining a career ending ass injury, or requiring microfracture surgery on their ass. A good, hard, slightly moving pick is also a hard foul that sends a message. It knocks the opponoent to the ground, but with very little chance of a serious injury.

Undercutting as player, hitting him in the exposed midsection while he is extended and in the air, or clotheslining are all exapmples of dirty fouls as they expose the recipient to a greater chance of severe injury. And, that's the problem with Bynum's fouls, they cross that line between hard fould and dirty foul. If he would have planted Barea on his ass, it would have been a hard foul. Nailing him in the ribs with an elbow while he was in flight and extended made it a dirty foul.

The problem is Bynum has now played five NBA seasons and still hasn't learned the difference. I suspect the league is about to teach him a very expensive lesson.

It definitely is funny to see everybody's reaction to this. If this were the late 80's, it would just be another foul.

Not really. Hard fouls were much more frequent, expected and tolerated back then, but a dirty foul has always been a dirty foul. The rules and penalties have changed, but players, fans and teammates have always been outraged by dirty fouls - like the McHale clothesline of Rambis and the Rodman shove of Pippen. The problem is, if these things go unchecked it can lead to escalation. That's why the rules have been changed. In the old days, the players were self-policing. If you dished it out, you damn well better be ready to take it.

These days, the league prefers to do the policing through fines and suspensions to avoid any escalation or retaliation. But, make no mistake, plenty of people were outraged by McHale and Rodman back in the day. The difference wasn't the reaction of the fans and players, it is the league's handling of these situations.

In some ways, the league has gone overboard, but given the potential consequences (potential for career ending injury), I think it's better to be safe than sorry and err on the side of caution.

BNM

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I could really care less about his "heart felt" apology. He feels bad afterwords but it still doesn't stop him from doing it as he's done the same exact cheap-shot 3-4 times.

His official apology today was obviously fueled by the threat of a huge fine and suspension.

 

[oldmangrouch]

You're one stubborn mother fucker. You really think you're going to convince these people that it was unintentional? In their eyes', Bynum murdered a 12 year old.

The extent of the injury may have been unexpected, but I seriously doubt the foul was unintentional.