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KingSpeed said:
18/6 in 17 minutes. I know it's just preseason but I think this guy is for real. Like All-Star for real. We're gonna be really good this year and even better next season as Nurk and Swanigan get more experience.
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You silly rabbit, allstar games are for non blazer players
 
I'm not sold on him being a sure thing All-Star just yet, but I did like what I saw. I'm encouraged that he's not a one-trick pony. He shoot the 3 with confidence. Hits the pick and role mid range jumper. He's active setting screens. He posts up with his back to the basket, while also looking to pass. And although he does look a bit slow on his feet, he always seems to be in the right place to pick up a rebound. And his defensive effort seems to be there - he challenged multiple shots last night.

At pick #26, I'm excited about his potential. Heck, forget the potential. I'm excited what I saw last night. 18 points and 6 rebounds in 17 minutes was fun to watch.
 
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Only two players in the last 25 years averaged at least 18.5 points, 12.5 points and 3.0 assists in a season. Tim Duncan was one. Swanigan was the other. He’s also the only player in 31 years to score at least 640 points, grab 430 boards and hand out 100 assists. Swanigan was the Big 10 Player of the Year, first-team all-conference and won six league player-of-the-week awards.
Key statistics: 18.5 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 3.0 apg, 3.3 tpg, 0.8 bpg, 32.6 mpg, .527 FG, .447 3PT, .781 FT
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No surprise he's great. He's not a great decision-maker on defense which is why he didn't go #1. That being said, by my eyesight, he's not as bad as some scouts have suggested.
 
An all star after one meaningless preseason game thread. And in another thread somebody said THIS guy posts actual content and I don't?
 
Collins is the PFOTF....

Biggie should start right away though. When Zach is ready to start Biggie should be the 6th man getting starters minutes backing up both C and PF.
 
Before going on about pre-season, sample size, etc, consider this: Noah Vonleh has played 162 regular season games for the Blazers. How many of those games has he looked as good as Swanigan did against Phoenix in his first game ever? I'll grant that the number is not zero, but it's certainly less than 10.

Last year Vonleh, with 41 starts and playing 72 games, never once scored more than 12 points in a game. Caleb beat that number after playing around 12 minutes, going on to get 18.

Noah had 9 games last year where he pulled down more than 9 rebounds. Caleb grabs 6 his first night. Noah pulled down 6 or more rebounds in just 24 games, or 1/3 of the games he played last year. Rebounding and hustle is supposed to be his calling card. .

Swanigan (age 19) is way, way ahead of a 3rd year vet (age 22) who was our starting PF for most of last year. It's just plain as day.

The big question in my mind is if you want a really young Zach Randolph-type at PF (Swanigan) or more of an Andre Kirelenko-type (Collins). Who fits this team better in the long-term? How do those piece line up with our Big 3? Aside from (hopefully) the emergence of Nurkic, I think this could be the big defining story of this season.
 
Fez Von Savage said:
Collins is the PFOTF....

Biggie should start right away though. When Zach is ready to start Biggie should be the 6th man getting starters minutes backing up both C and PF.
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mook said:
Before going on about pre-season, sample size, etc, consider this: Noah Vonleh has played 162 regular season games for the Blazers. How many of those games has he looked as good as Swanigan did against Phoenix in his first game ever? I'll grant that the number is not zero, but it's certainly less than 10.

Last year Vonleh, with 41 starts and playing 72 games, never once scored more than 12 points in a game. Caleb beat that number after playing around 12 minutes, going on to get 18.

Noah had 9 games last year where he pulled down more than 9 rebounds. Caleb grabs 6 his first night. Noah pulled down 6 or more rebounds in just 24 games, or 1/3 of the games he played last year. Rebounding and hustle is supposed to be his calling card. .

Swanigan (age 19) is way, way ahead of a 3rd year vet (age 22) who was our starting PF for most of last year. It's just plain as day.

The big question in my mind is if you want a really young Zach Randolph-type at PF (Swanigan) or more of an Andre Kirelenko-type (Collins). Who fits this team better in the long-term? How do those piece line up with our Big 3? Aside from (hopefully) the emergence of Nurkic, I think this could be the big defining story of this season.
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This is Vonleh's 4th year.
 
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I'm going to hold judgement on any bigs Portland has until I see them play against other quality NBA bigs.
The Suns do not have any sort of quality in their bigs. Chandler is their best big and he can only play 10 minutes a night.
Remember, last preseason everyone on this board after the Phoenix game thought Vonleh was going to make a jump.
Calm your tits.

http://www.nba.com/blazers/forwardcenter/vonlehs-sweat-equity-pays-versus-suns/
 
KingSpeed said:
Isn't

This is Vonleh's 4th year.
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Yes, and he played one season elsewhere and 2 seasons here. I was only counting completed seasons here (because it's what I've seen).

Learn the math then post. ;)
 
honkicracker said:
I'm going to hold judgement on any bigs Portland has until I see them play against other quality NBA bigs.
The Suns do not have any sort of quality in their bigs. Chandler is their best big and he can only play 10 minutes a night.
Remember, last preseason everyone on this board after the Phoenix game thought Vonleh was going to make a jump.
Calm your tits.

http://www.nba.com/blazers/forwardcenter/vonlehs-sweat-equity-pays-versus-suns/
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Great counterpoint. I completely forgot that game under the deluge of Vonleh sub-mediocrity.
 

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Fun Facts:
We traded a 2nd round pick and ate Anderson Varejao's contract (waiving and stretching) for a 2018 first rounder.
Then traded the 2018 1st for a 2017 1st.
We used that pick to draft Swanigan.

It's actually a lot to give up for a late 1st rounder (AV's contract is still on our books), but Neil turned it into gold.
 
mook said:
Before going on about pre-season, sample size, etc, consider this: Noah Vonleh has played 162 regular season games for the Blazers. How many of those games has he looked as good as Swanigan did against Phoenix in his first game ever? I'll grant that the number is not zero, but it's certainly less than 10.

Last year Vonleh, with 41 starts and playing 72 games, never once scored more than 12 points in a game. Caleb beat that number after playing around 12 minutes, going on to get 18.

Noah had 9 games last year where he pulled down more than 9 rebounds. Caleb grabs 6 his first night. Noah pulled down 6 or more rebounds in just 24 games, or 1/3 of the games he played last year. Rebounding and hustle is supposed to be his calling card. .

Swanigan (age 19) is way, way ahead of a 3rd year vet (age 22) who was our starting PF for most of last year. It's just plain as day.

The big question in my mind is if you want a really young Zach Randolph-type at PF (Swanigan) or more of an Andre Kirelenko-type (Collins). Who fits this team better in the long-term? How do those piece line up with our Big 3? Aside from (hopefully) the emergence of Nurkic, I think this could be the big defining story of this season.
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Noah had 14/14 in a preseason game vs PHX in just 20 mins last year.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400899186
 
honkicracker said:
I'm going to hold judgement on any bigs Portland has until I see them play against other quality NBA bigs.
The Suns do not have any sort of quality in their bigs. Chandler is their best big and he can only play 10 minutes a night.
Remember, last preseason everyone on this board after the Phoenix game thought Vonleh was going to make a jump.
Calm your tits.

http://www.nba.com/blazers/forwardcenter/vonlehs-sweat-equity-pays-versus-suns/
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Len is their best center. He will be starting soon enough.
 
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