Cano v Ellsbury: Homers Exposed

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Robinson Cano: Homegrown Yankee, Perennial All Star, Future Hall of Famer, Plays 160 games a Year

Jacoby Ellsbury: Homegrown Red Sock, 1 time PED aided All Star, Misses Games Every Year

Here we sit in December, 2013

Let's take it back to September 2013 and say this question was posed on here:

Hey guys, Ellsbury and Cano are Free Agents, should we offer Ellsbury 7 years $153 million or Cano 9 years $220 million?

We'd have gotten an array of responses(none would be sign Ellsbury)

# 1 response - Pay Cano
# 2 response - LOL @ $153 million for Ellsbury, hahahahahaha, he'll be lucky to get half that

Now, with Ellsbury here I see people on here loving this contract and better yet daring Cano to go elsewhere. Hy Po Crites & Ho Mers

Robinson Cano is SEVERAL levels above Jacoby Ellsbury as a player.

If Cano walks here are the likely candidates to bat 3-4-5:

1) Mark Teixeira - OPS was in steady decline from 2009-2012 bottoming at about .800 in 2012, this was prior to his wrist injury, smart money is on his OPS being in the upper .700s this season

2) Brian McCann - .270/20 homer type bat who will miss 30+ games due to his position & that's assuming he stays healthy

3) FA signing Carlos Beltran or Nelson Cruz - If they let Cano walk they pretty much have to sign 1 of these 2

4) Alfonso Soriano - If they somehow bypass # 3 as well then Soriano who aside from a tremendous hot streak upon his arrive has been an average offensive player for several years running

Good stuff homers, keep pretending anyone who can be realistic is a troll while you sip the Kool-Aid
 
You are so insulting. I tried to be patient with you, nobody here has said they don't want Cano. So you would pay him the 9 and 240. It's not the Yankees saying no, Hal said today, "I hope Cano gives us a chance to respond" Have you ever been in a negotiation other than for bubble gum. Grow a pair and let it play out, then run back to the other board and pretend to be an expert.
 
Majorball said:
You are so insulting. I tried to be patient with you, nobody here has said they don't want Cano. So you would pay him the 9 and 240. It's not the Yankees saying no, Hal said today, "I hope Cano gives us a chance to respond" Have you ever been in a negotiation other than for bubble gum. Grow a pair and let it play out, then run back to the other board and pretend to be an expert.
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...fortunately for BB, stupidity is not also painful.
 
Majorball said:
You are so insulting. I tried to be patient with you, nobody here has said they don't want Cano. So you would pay him the 9 and 240. It's not the Yankees saying no, Hal said today, "I hope Cano gives us a chance to respond" Have you ever been in a negotiation other than for bubble gum. Grow a pair and let it play out, then run back to the other board and pretend to be an expert.
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This is not insulting, I see where peoples opinions are headed in the Cano to Seattle Thread. People are already typing things like he'd be stupid to go to Seattle over NY even if there is $20+ million extra on the table there(right now its $50 million based on Heyman's report).

Any Yankee fan should be on Cano's side no managements side. I hope he milks them for every penny and they better pay him every penny. They gave Juicy Juice $275 million on his re-do and they gave Fat Bay huge money with an opt out, then huge money again after he opted out.

Now they just gave a solid outfielder $153 million, should our HOF 2B not want and EXPECT much more? If the Seattle offer his legit his agents will make a very simple phone call telling the Yankees what they need to do to keep Robbie and our boneheads better handle it however they need to handle it and end it with Cano re-signing. That is the ONLY way to justify paying Ellsbury is paying Cano whatever it takes. If Cano signs in Seattle or anywhere else we failed. And it's not about how much Robbie gets, Robbie will get overpaid. The point is NO ONE will overpay Cano as much as we just overpaid Ellsbury. So there is no contract offer we cant match on Cano that will be a worse value than the Ellsbury deal. That is my point here and I will be happy to debate it with statistical consistency for both player per $.
 
How do you want to debate this. So everyone agrees that the Yankees were aggressive with years and money with Ellsbury. But not everything is comparable when building a team. So just answer this, you would be ok paying Cano 30 million at age 41? Cause losing Cano at any cost would be a failure?
 
Majorball said:
How do you want to debate this. So everyone agrees that the Yankees were aggressive with years and money with Ellsbury. But not everything is comparable when building a team. So just answer this, you would be ok paying Cano 30 million at age 41? Cause losing Cano at any cost would be a failure?
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I'm saying no one will offer Cano enough for him to be a worse value than Ellsbury. No one is going to offer him 10/300. Whatever he signs for will be less shitty than 7/153 for jacoby so we better be the ones paying
 
...what would be worse, Elsbury's last year at age 37 or Cano's last year at age 40?
 
yankeesince59 said:
...what would be worse, Elsbury's last year at age 37 or Cano's last year at age 40?
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What will be much worse is the first 7 years of Ellsburys contract v the first 7 of Canos. Lol @ you trying to argue contracts based on next year or the last year. You look at the contract in totality. And I'll repeat one more time no one in this market will price Cano high enough for us matching to not be a better contract than the one for Ellsbury. We paid him 22 a year when he's not an all star type player. Paying Cano who is a HOF type player 25 a year for 2 additional years is a no brainier by comparison. If we were going to overpay a guy cano needed to be the guy. Now that we severely overpaid Ellsbury...cano must be next. And if we don't all we have done is spend big to weaken the team which was already weak. We need to get MUCH better this offseason
 
..,uhhh, I'm not arguing anything...it was a simple and direct question designed to evoke people's opinions...if the question was too complicated you do know you have the option of not responding, don't you?...or was the question "poorly worded"?
 
yankeesince59 said:
..,uhhh, I'm not arguing anything...it was a simple and direct question designed to evoke people's opinions...if the question was too complicated you do know you have the option of not responding, don't you?...or was the question "poorly worded"?
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Id rather pay cano $30 million a year for 7 years than Ellsbury 22 million a year for 7 years. That would be 210 million right there. So if it takes 225 over 9? That's like 2/15 at the end is pay that for Cano to DH as well. Ellsbury will be severely overpaid from Day 1 of his contract. 22 million is an AS salary. Ellsbury isn't an All Star type player.
 
......wait, you were implying earlier that 9-10 years would be OK...but know you're finally coming back to reality?
 
My point was I would give Cano 9/225

I said I'd rather give him 7 years @ $30 million over 7 @ 22 for Ellsbury. That comes to 7/210. The proposed offer of 9/225 is an additional 2 years/15 and I said I'd have no problem signing Cano to DH in his elderly years at a deal like that. Hence 7/210 + 2/15 = 9/225 and I am fine with that in comparison to 7/153 for Ellsbury.

Cano is a .300/30/100 guy from 2B, Hall of Famer in his prime, Ellsbury is simply a run of the mill good outfielder. No player with his resume has even gotten anywhere near $22 million a year. He's the most overpaid player in MLB history by a country mile at the time of signing.
 
yankeesince59 said:
......wait, you were implying earlier that 9-10 years would be OK...but know you're finally coming back to reality?
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Which do you feel would be a better value? Ellsbury 7/153 or Cano 9/225? I'm not asking about any specific year, I'm talking about contract in totality. Which deal do you think would give you more bang for the buck?
 
...oh, well, that's different. (rolls eyes)

...so 9 years/$225 Mil is a good smart deal but 7 years/$154 is a bad deal........check.
 
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