Carlos Zambrano deal put on Back Burner

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dec 8 - The Cubs' decision to put Carlos Zambrano's extension on the backburner could prove costly down the road, the Daily Herald reports. Thanks to the skyrocketing price of starting pitching, Zambrano stands to cash in big-time if he hits the open market next November, and he'll be at the head of the free-agent class of pitchers for 2008.Talks have yet to begin on Zambrano's extension, and probably won't get serious until the start of spring training. GM Jim Hendry has allotted more than $270 million this offseason, and at the going rate, he may have to add another $100 million to keep Zambrano a Cub.</div>

 

[DevinHester23]

That was in the Trib a few days ago, and Z canned Boras last year

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 9 2006, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That was in the Trib a few days ago, and Z canned Boras last year</div>Boras is the Drew Rosenhaus (sp?) of the MLB world. You sign with Boras for 1 reason: to make the most money. If you want to take anything else into consideration, then he's not the agent for you.I still HOPE my boy CZ signs with the Yankees.

 

[DevinHester23]

VILMA: FOR THE LAST TIME: HE IS NOT GOING TO SIGN WITH THE YANKEES!! :nuttkick:

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 10 2006, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>VILMA: FOR THE LAST TIME: HE IS NOT GOING TO SIGN WITH THE YANKEES!! :nuttkick:</div>Until there is a new contract with the Cubs, I'll be here, holding out hope that the 7th best pitcher in the MLB will come be the Yankees number 2.

 

[DevinHester23]

1. Z canned Bora$$2. He has said he wants to stay with the Cubs3. People said this same crap about Aramis Ramirez in 2005, and about Derrek Lee in 2006, and the Cubs locked them4. The Cubs have thrown out cash like crazy this winter, so I am fully confident they will pony up the dough to lock him

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 10 2006, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Z canned Bora$$2. He has said he wants to stay with the Cubs3. People said this same crap about Aramis Ramirez in 2005, and about Derrek Lee in 2006, and the Cubs locked them4. The Cubs have thrown out cash like crazy this winter, so I am fully confident they will pony up the dough to lock him</div>1. Boras is far from the only agent who has guys sign with the Yankees.2. Pettitte said he wanted to retire an Astro, before his contract was up.3. Aramis Ramirez wouldn't have stayed if they didn't give him the huge contract.4. How long can it last? Even the Cubs have spending limits.

 

[DevinHester23]

forget about what happened w/ A-Ram this winter. I'm talking about what happened in 2004-05. Z will be a Cub. He's said it many times. And he has mentioned his dislike for the Yuckies a few times

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 10 2006, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>forget about what happened w/ A-Ram this winter. I'm talking about what happened in 2004-05. Z will be a Cub. He's said it many times. And he has mentioned his dislike for the Yuckies a few times</div>Didn't that Randy Johnson guy once talk about how he'd never play for a team like the Yankees... they love to play that soundbite on Baseball tonight. "I'll never play for a team like the Yankees"Things change. Especially when we offer 3 mil more per year than the Cubs do.

 

[DevinHester23]

Z will not bolt to the Evil Empire over 3M. He is not that kind of guy. And I know you're going to bring up Johnny Damon next, but Damon said he left b/c of uncertiaty regarding Manny, as mind you Theo Epstein had left as GM.

 

[DevinHester23]

Oh, and another thing Vilma: Only the Cubs can talk w/ Z for the next year. :nuttkick:If he wanted to go on the market, he would have kept Bora$$ as his agent

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 11 2006, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Z will not bolt to the Evil Empire over 3M. He is not that kind of guy. And I know you're going to bring up Johnny Damon next, but Damon said he left b/c of uncertiaty regarding Manny, as mind you Theo Epstein had left as GM.</div>Actually I was going to go back to "I want to retire in Houston" Andy Pettitte, but whatev. If the Cubs offer a 6 year, 108 million dollar deal (18 per year), and the Yankees offer a 6 year 126 million dollar deal (21 per year), which do you think he would take? Which would any reasonable person take?

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 11 2006, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, and another thing Vilma: Only the Cubs can talk w/ Z for the next year. :nuttkick:If he wanted to go on the market, he would have kept Bora$$ as his agent</div>Houston had last year to talk to Pettitte... yet the concentrated on other people (Roy Oswalt and Carlos Lee) and AP went packing for NY. :bigfinger:

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 11 2006, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 11 2006, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Z will not bolt to the Evil Empire over 3M. He is not that kind of guy. And I know you're going to bring up Johnny Damon next, but Damon said he left b/c of uncertiaty regarding Manny, as mind you Theo Epstein had left as GM.</div>Actually I was going to go back to "I want to retire in Houston" Andy Pettitte, but whatev. If the Cubs offer a 6 year, 108 million dollar deal (18 per year), and the Yankees offer a 6 year 126 million dollar deal (21 per year), which do you think he would take? Which would any reasonable person take?</div>I'd take the 18 per year. Who gives a shit about 3 mil. You're still set for life after 1 season. And I wouldn't ever want to play for the Yankees. I'd rather dump gas on myself, throw a match on myself, and jump of the Empire State Building.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 11 2006, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 11 2006, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 11 2006, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Z will not bolt to the Evil Empire over 3M. He is not that kind of guy. And I know you're going to bring up Johnny Damon next, but Damon said he left b/c of uncertiaty regarding Manny, as mind you Theo Epstein had left as GM.</div>Actually I was going to go back to "I want to retire in Houston" Andy Pettitte, but whatev. If the Cubs offer a 6 year, 108 million dollar deal (18 per year), and the Yankees offer a 6 year 126 million dollar deal (21 per year), which do you think he would take? Which would any reasonable person take?</div>I'd take the 18 per year. Who gives a shit about 3 mil. You're still set for life after 1 season. And I wouldn't ever want to play for the Yankees. I'd rather dump gas on myself, throw a match on myself, and jump of the Empire State Building.</div>You're a liar or insane.

 

[Brooksie5]

Or I'm right!

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 11 2006, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Or I'm right!</div>

 

[DevinHester23]

You know what, Vilma. You ought to bookmark this thread so we can see who will be right when Z signs his big deal. We shall find the appropriate punishment for the loser

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 12 2006, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know what, Vilma. You ought to bookmark this thread so we can see who will be right when Z signs his big deal. We shall find the appropriate punishment for the loser</div>I'm sure yall will take care of that for me. Plus, I'm a nice guy and won't kick you while you're down when he signs with the Yankees.

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 11 2006, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're a liar or insane.</div>Not everybody is greedy. I know if I was in that situation and we were talking about offers of 120 million from the Cubs or 130 million from the Yankees that the money would be one of the last few things I would be considering because 120 million is plenty enough to live off of.....other things are simply more important like playing somewhere where one could be happy and their family would be happy.

 

[DevinHester23]

Yeah for real. Big Z likes it in Chicago, even though he lives in Venezuela during the winter. And I doubt he would go to the AL, he wants to swing the stick. Did anyone see the tantrum he threw after striking out once?? Freaking awesome. He smashed a bat on the dugout railing. He even shut up Tetrahydrogestrinone once.And Vilma, about the Astros having a year to get a deal w/ Pettitte and doing jack squat, getting Z an extension in ST will be Hendry's 1st priority. He will allow negotiations to go overtime if needed. He did in 2005 w/ A-Ram and in 2006 w/ D-Lee