Carter 5-15 (33%) Jefferson 8-14 (57%) @ Bobcats

[furnace]

Yeah I know what you're thinking. Furnace is gonna bust on Vince Carter again.

But I keep telling you people, like Mark Jackson says, "I'm fair but I'm firm."

You have to take box scores with a grain of salt. Statistically, Jefferson had a great game and Carter had a crappy game. But if you watched the game yesterday, and watched it carefully, you will see why I put this loss on Jefferson.

Now, offensively, Jefferson played the right way, the usual way - attack the basket, get to the foul line. Done and done.

Carter, offensively, seemed like he had a bad game. But if you watched carefully, he rarely took bad shots. Not many fade aways. Not many loop dee loops. Most of his shots were going towards the basket from the paint.

But the biggest difference came on the defensive end. You could see in replay after replay of Jason Richardson scoring that Jefferson just did not put in the effort. He was late on his rotations, late on contesting shots. Jefferson has proven over time that he can score 25 pts on only 14 shots. That is great, that is awesome. But the Nets need him to be the defensive stopper. Everyone knows that Carter rarely, if ever, makes that type of defensive commitment. Therefore, Jefferson has to pick up the slack. When he takes a night of at the defensive end, this is what happens.

Life is not fair. Yes, there is a double standard (Jefferson is expected to play D while Carter is not). But the bottom line is the bottom line. Jefferson needs to guard the opponents' best player every game and he needs to slow them down.

Hopefully Jefferson will realize this and make a commitment to defend every single night.

 

[Netsfan318]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Jan 9 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah I know what you're thinking. Furnace is gonna bust on Vince Carter again.

But I keep telling you people, like Mark Jackson says, "I'm fair but I'm firm."

You have to take box scores with a grain of salt. Statistically, Jefferson had a great game and Carter had a crappy game. But if you watched the game yesterday, and watched it carefully, you will see why I put this loss on Jefferson.

Now, offensively, Jefferson played the right way, the usual way - attack the basket, get to the foul line. Done and done.

Carter, offensively, seemed like he had a bad game. But if you watched carefully, he rarely took bad shots. Not many fade aways. Not many loop dee loops. Most of his shots were going towards the basket from the paint.

But the biggest difference came on the defensive end. You could see in replay after replay of Jason Richardson scoring that Jefferson just did not put in the effort. He was late on his rotations, late on contesting shots. Jefferson has proven over time that he can score 25 pts on only 14 shots. That is great, that is awesome. But the Nets need him to be the defensive stopper. Everyone knows that Carter rarely, if ever, makes that type of defensive commitment. Therefore, Jefferson has to pick up the slack. When he takes a night of at the defensive end, this is what happens.

Life is not fair. Yes, there is a double standard (Jefferson is expected to play D while Carter is not). But the bottom line is the bottom line. Jefferson needs to guard the opponents' best player every game and he needs to slow them down.

Hopefully Jefferson will realize this and make a commitment to defend every single night.</div>

this is so hilarious RJ gets to the line shoots a better pct % Carter can chuck away and brick shots not get to the line and still people put a loss on RJ

The problem last night was when they went to the bench, Collins and Malik stunk it up couldn't help defend, didn't get the boards, there was one sequence where Collins shoulder tackled Jrich to slow him down which was what threw JR's shot off for a bit, it's pretty simple the FC off the bench is weak and asking Swill and Boone to comeback after repeatedly being down in double digits doesn't help.

The Nets loss 115 - 99 we knew in the back of our mind Jrich was going to score RJ did the best he could, but when Gerald Wallace scores 21 and gets to the line 11 times, then you have Nazr who contributes 17 pts. 7/8 shooting and the worst is Matt Carrol went off w/ 10 pts. and 7 rebs oh and he got to the line 6 times, I mean he's a jumpshooter there is no excuse for that.

It really doesn't help also when your primary scorer VC is 5 - 15 and then someone needs to tell Kidd 1 - 7 from 3 pt. range stop shooting please. Kiki needs to upgrade the FC off the bench your just not going to survive w/ Allen and Collins.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But the biggest difference came on the defensive end. You could see in replay after replay of Jason Richardson scoring that Jefferson just did not put in the effort. He was late on his rotations, late on contesting shots. Jefferson has proven over time that he can score 25 pts on only 14 shots. That is great, that is awesome. But the Nets need him to be the defensive stopper.</div>

remember at that time VC was giving Gerald Wallace 5 - 8 steps RJ unfortunately had to worry about Jrich and GW

 

[furnace]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 9 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Jan 9 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah I know what you're thinking. Furnace is gonna bust on Vince Carter again.

But I keep telling you people, like Mark Jackson says, "I'm fair but I'm firm."

You have to take box scores with a grain of salt. Statistically, Jefferson had a great game and Carter had a crappy game. But if you watched the game yesterday, and watched it carefully, you will see why I put this loss on Jefferson.

Now, offensively, Jefferson played the right way, the usual way - attack the basket, get to the foul line. Done and done.

Carter, offensively, seemed like he had a bad game. But if you watched carefully, he rarely took bad shots. Not many fade aways. Not many loop dee loops. Most of his shots were going towards the basket from the paint.

But the biggest difference came on the defensive end. You could see in replay after replay of Jason Richardson scoring that Jefferson just did not put in the effort. He was late on his rotations, late on contesting shots. Jefferson has proven over time that he can score 25 pts on only 14 shots. That is great, that is awesome. But the Nets need him to be the defensive stopper. Everyone knows that Carter rarely, if ever, makes that type of defensive commitment. Therefore, Jefferson has to pick up the slack. When he takes a night of at the defensive end, this is what happens.

Life is not fair. Yes, there is a double standard (Jefferson is expected to play D while Carter is not). But the bottom line is the bottom line. Jefferson needs to guard the opponents' best player every game and he needs to slow them down.

Hopefully Jefferson will realize this and make a commitment to defend every single night.</div>

this is so hilarious RJ gets to the line shoots a better pct % Carter can chuck away and brick shots not get to the line and still people put a loss on RJ

The problem last night was when they went to the bench, Collins and Malik stunk it up couldn't help defend, didn't get the boards, there was one sequence where Collins shoulder tackled Jrich to slow him down which was what threw JR's shot off for a bit, it's pretty simple the FC off the bench is weak and asking Swill and Boone to comeback after repeatedly being down in double digits doesn't help.

The Nets loss 115 - 99 we knew in the back of our mind Jrich was going to score RJ did the best he could, but when Gerald Wallace scores 21 and gets to the line 11 times, then you have Nazr who contributes 17 pts. 7/8 shooting and the worst is Matt Carrol went off w/ 10 pts. and 7 rebs oh and he got to the line 6 times, I mean he's a jumpshooter there is no excuse for that.

It really doesn't help also when your primary scorer VC is 5 - 15 and then someone needs to tell Kidd 1 - 7 from 3 pt. range stop shooting please. Kiki needs to upgrade the FC off the bench your just not going to survive w/ Allen and Collins.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But the biggest difference came on the defensive end. You could see in replay after replay of Jason Richardson scoring that Jefferson just did not put in the effort. He was late on his rotations, late on contesting shots. Jefferson has proven over time that he can score 25 pts on only 14 shots. That is great, that is awesome. But the Nets need him to be the defensive stopper.</div>

remember at that time VC was giving Gerald Wallace 5 - 8 steps RJ unfortunately had to worry about Jrich and GW
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Trust me dude, I don't play favorites. I have called out VC many times before. Most people think I'm a "Vince Hater". However, I'm just a Nets fan and want what's best for the team. And if you read my post carefully, you will see that I recognize that there is a double standard...that Jefferson has to do alot more just to get any respect...

 

[Netsfan318]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Jan 9 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Trust me dude, I don't play favorites. I have called out VC many times before. Most people think I'm a "Vince Hater". However, I'm just a Nets fan and want what's best for the team. And if you read my post carefully, you will see that I recognize that there is a double standard...that Jefferson has to do alot more just to get any respect...</div>

my bad, force of habit

 

[pegs]

I have an idea. How bout we just say Carter and Jefferson are the reason for this loss. Better yet, most of the team is at fault. I didn't really watch the game, so I'm not sure who did good on both ends of the court...could someone fill me in?

 

[Jizzy]

JRich ownes baldy.

 

[furnace]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 9 2008, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>JRich ownes baldy.</div>

Baldy? Hm let's see...Kidd, Jefferson, Carter, Armstrong, and Magoire are all bald...

 

[FOMW]

Well, at least you are being as unfair to RJ as you typically are towards VC.

The defensive problems RJ had with Jason Richardson had little to do with effort. There were a good 3 possessions in that run where I can't imagine anyone trying harder than RJ. He pushed hard around screens, got right up into him, did his best to stay close and challenge the release. Yet JRich was just flat out in a zone and used great jab step moves and a sweet stroke to score on jumpers. When talented players start scoring like that, it becomes the TEAM'S job to defend them, not one person's.

And VC had a sucky game all round.

 

[Joey FistPump]

Other than Boki the bench was God awful...we need a quality backup bigman, a backup shooting guard and a backup quality swingman. If we improve the becnh we improve the team.

 

[FOMW]

Just to put the exclamation point on how well JRich is playing right now, he just lit up the Celtics on the ROAD for 34 on 14-22 from the field and helped the Bobcats get the surprise win. His last basket with the clock winding down against smothering defense from Pierce speaks volumes about the zone he's in right now.