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Speights, Selby, Ellington and a 1st for John freaking Leuer?

Portland should have been all over that deal for literally any of our bench players
 
They didn't want our crap, they need to get under the luxury tax.
 
That's just to get off the hook for tax this season. With rising player salaries they are back in tax range again next season. They're pruning the roster but they have to cut one of the branches sooner or later.
 
Wow great deal for the Cavs I think, depending on the pick's protection.
 
I would have done that deal for Hickson, those would be our 6,7, and 8th men off the bench.
 
Sweet deal for the Cavs. Allows Memphis to keep Gay and the rest of the corps, at least for now.

As a Warriors fan, glad to see the Grizz's bench weaken. Seemed like all three of those guys did well against us whenever we played them.
 
They're getting a trade exception. Immediate cap relief. They wouldn't have wanted our guys.
 
This does underscore one thing though, when you aren't a very good team (like the Cavs) it pays to keep your salary flexibility.
 
This does underscore one thing though, when you aren't a very good team (like the Cavs) it pays to keep your salary flexibility.

Yup. It's too bad so much of our cap space is tied up in names like Luke Babbitt, Nolan Smith, and Ronnie Price.
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

memphis did it to get under the LT. They didn't want anyone coming back.
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

Gee, does this mean we can't trade one of our "whities" for somebody else's "blacky"?
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

Gee, does this mean we can't trade one of our "whities" for somebody else's "blacky"?

depends. Are we trading whitie herzog for blacky carter?
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

depends. Are we trading whitie herzog for blacky carter?

How about JoJo White for Charlie Black?
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

How about JoJo White for Charlie Black?

With an assist to Whitey Skoog and Rolondo Blackman?
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

Trade didn't make sense for the Blazers as Clevland added salary.

But I did notice that Pargo is available. He can score off the bench . . .
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

Awesome, good to know I'm only about 12 hours late to this party.

Nice of you to show up FAMS!
 
I've been going back and forth on this trade all day, and for me, it raises questions about the luxury tax, Rudy Gay, and Hollinger.

It was an inevitability that the Grizzlies would make a trade before the deadline to get under the luxury tax. We knew it'd essentially be a cap dump, whether it was Rudy Gay or a package of reserves. However, the mere fact that this was an "inevitability" makes me question not only the qualifications for ownership of small market teams but also the luxury tax in general. One of the objectives of a luxury tax is to protect the small market teams, but at the end of the day, it really just winds up marginalizing them.

With the dump being inevitable though, I think it was an interesting move to dump a package of reserves and a draft pick (with very favorable conditions for the Cavs) rather than dumping Gay. While Rudy Gay leads the team in scoring, he's shooting 41.3% (third worst in the league for players over 250 FG's), only has a 1.03 A/TO ratio, and is just a selfish black-hole of a player on the court in general. He's essentially addition by subtraction, which begs the question, why did the "stats guy," John Hollinger not trade him instead? Was Rudy Gay really untradable? Did every single team in the NBA turn down Rudy Gay's albatross of a contract?

And on the subject of Hollinger, this was the first disturbing move of a new era in Memphis. The cap dump is disturbing enough, but apparently John Hollinger actually has long-term plans for Leuer with the organization, based on his advanced metrics, despite the fact that inserting him into the line-up is probably going to detract from the team's chemistry and defensive mantra. I don't like the way this team's going, with an owner that's looking to cut corners to pinch pennies and a GM who bases his decision making on algorithms.
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

Trade didn't make sense for the Blazers as Clevland added salary.

But I did notice that Pargo is available. He can score off the bench . . .

How do you know he's available?
I've seen a lot of Pargo when he was in Europe and I like him a lot. He can attack the basket, has great athletic ability, and also a good looking shot. If you're looking for someone to run the offense he's just OK but as a scorer for the 2nd unit he can be very effective.
 
I've been going back and forth on this trade all day, and for me, it raises questions about the luxury tax, Rudy Gay, and Hollinger.

It was an inevitability that the Grizzlies would make a trade before the deadline to get under the luxury tax. We knew it'd essentially be a cap dump, whether it was Rudy Gay or a package of reserves. However, the mere fact that this was an "inevitability" makes me question not only the qualifications for ownership of small market teams but also the luxury tax in general. One of the objectives of a luxury tax is to protect the small market teams, but at the end of the day, it really just winds up marginalizing them.

With the dump being inevitable though, I think it was an interesting move to dump a package of reserves and a draft pick (with very favorable conditions for the Cavs) rather than dumping Gay. While Rudy Gay leads the team in scoring, he's shooting 41.3% (third worst in the league for players over 250 FG's), only has a 1.03 A/TO ratio, and is just a selfish black-hole of a player on the court in general. He's essentially addition by subtraction, which begs the question, why did the "stats guy," John Hollinger not trade him instead? Was Rudy Gay really untradable? Did every single team in the NBA turn down Rudy Gay's albatross of a contract?

And on the subject of Hollinger, this was the first disturbing move of a new era in Memphis. The cap dump is disturbing enough, but apparently John Hollinger actually has long-term plans for Leuer with the organization, based on his advanced metrics, despite the fact that inserting him into the line-up is probably going to detract from the team's chemistry and defensive mantra. I don't like the way this team's going, with an owner that's looking to cut corners to pinch pennies and a GM who bases his decision making on algorithms.

If you go through and look at Holingers stuff from the last few years he HATES gay. Many many times he has said he was a player with "bloated" stats because of how many shots he took and wasn't worth his contract. If you guys didn't trade Gay its probably because no offer was very good or they think they can get more from him in the off season in the way of promising talent and a draft pick or two.
 
Re: OT: The Cavs traded some no name whitey for a bunch of Grizzlies and a 1st rd pic

How do you know he's available?
I've seen a lot of Pargo when he was in Europe and I like him a lot. He can attack the basket, has great athletic ability, and also a good looking shot. If you're looking for someone to run the offense he's just OK but as a scorer for the 2nd unit he can be very effective.

Here's a link:

Scott spoke to guard Jeremy Pargo, who was waived on Tuesday.

"He's not real happy," Scott said.

In happier times (earlier this season):

Pargo has surprisingly been a quite effective point guard since entering the lineup due to the Kyrie Irving injury. He was a revelation in his first start for the Cavs, scoring 28 points with five rebounds and four assists in leading the Cavs to victory against the 76ers. Since he's been starting, he has settled in at 14.5 points and 4.4 assists while shooting 35 percent from three point range with a PER of 13.0, which are staggering improvements across the board for a player who was among the worst at his position last season. He's shown to be a streaky spark plug that can carry the offense for stretches (along with sometimes disintegrate the offense with a wild drive).

So where has Pargo made his improvements? They have come in two ways specifically.

1. Driving with a purpose, leading to fewer turnovers....

More.

Funny coincidence:

His inconsistency recently has led to some speculation as to whether or not he's going to keep the temporary starting point guard job, but with his outburst Saturday night against the Pistons it looks like it is again his job to run with. His continued capacity to play within himself and make the right decision will be essential to his success. Also, let's keep in mind that despite being 26, he has only played 58 career NBA games. It takes a little bit of time and experience to become a PG in this league, age be damned. Not everyone steps in like Damian Lillard has and is able to seemingly make the right decision with every move he makes. While not every PG learns, turnovers fall and better shots rise the more an inexperienced PG plays. Hopefully Pargo will continue to get better in this regard the more he plays.
 
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