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Rick2583

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I'm guessing & I hope I'm wrong that the only changes for 2016 (aside than our free agents Young, Ryan, Drew & Crapuano) are only going to effect the coaching staff. The contracts of bench coach Rob Thompson, fiest base coach Tony Pena, & hitting coach Jeff Pentland expire at the end of the month.

The biggest change I'd like to see is Cespedes in LF & Gardner packaged as trade bait.
 
...gotta believe that there will be a few teams with their sights on Cespedes during the off season...love to see him in pinstripes.
 
You can bet your Raider ass that he'll be looking for long term & $20M+
 
...he'll be 30 next week, but I can see him getting 5 years/$100 Mil.
 
5 years $100M. GET-ER-DONE.

He's only making $10.5M this season.
 
Yea, I'm good for the 5yr 20 mill cespedes bandwagon also. But think it will take more than that.
 
Lol, another big long-term contract to a player who will be going into his mid thirties.
Which Cespedes will we see in the coming seasons for 20+ mil per season?
The one who had 17HRs in 230 ABs with a .942 OPS for the Mets,
Or, the one who averaged 24 HRs 87 RBI, .263 BA , 120 Ks and .780 OPS...
... from 2012-2014?

Just wondering.
 
You're right, we're getting so much more production from Gardner for his 12-13M per.

And 5 years is not considered long term.
 
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...yup, Gardner will also be 35 when his legs are gone and his contract expires...Gardner also strikes out at nearly the same rate as Cespedes.

...Cespedes' career #s are more along the line of what you'd expect from a corner OFer, Gardner's #s are not...there's really no comparison.
 
Steinbrenner boys are in 'moratorium mode'. I'll be
shocked if Cepedes becomes a Yankee. And their
little snarky GM will have his head buried in the Florida
sand. For shame on this ball-less troika!
 
Honestly Cage where a full bandage is needed to fix this team I see Cashman & his boses doing nothing more than slapping on a few band-aids. And basically I have a feeling that the 2016 team is not going to look very different then the 2015 team.
 
Rick2583 said:
You're right, we're getting so much more production from Gardner for his 12-13M per.

And 5 years is not considered long term.
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Never said we're getting so much more production from Gardner.
Said I was "just wondering" about Cespedes' production comparing his performance as a Met to the previous three seasons.
Maybe you were just too busy or not paying enough attention to my post ?
Just wondering....


..and I am aware he DOES provide more offensive production than Gardner who has now put up back to back seasons of approx .257 BA with 16/17 HRs, .749/.742 OPS.
 
...Yoenis Cespedes' OPS+ in Oakland was 119 and his career OPS+ is 122....Gardeners career OPS+ is 101....Cespedes 2015 OPS+ is 137, Gardner's is 105.
...Cespedes is also the superior corner OFer.

...really no comparison.
 
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Rick2583 said:
Honestly Cage where a full bandage is needed to fix this team I see Cashman & his boses doing nothing more than slapping on a few band-aids. And basically I have a feeling that the 2016 team is not going to look very different then the 2015 team.
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I expect the same for next year. Trashman can't make a deal, He has no cards, if this were a poker game. Can't win to save his ass. Next years bad deals of the past will hurt this team, going forth, with but a few bright spots......

Like watching new re=runs.....
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Yoenis Cespedes' OPS+ in Oakland was 119 and his career OPS+ is 122....Gardeners career OPS+ is 101....Cespedes 2015 OPS+ is 137, Gardner's is 105.
...Cespedes is also the superior corner OFer.

...really no comparison.
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Yep, agree, Cespedes is unquestionably more productive offensively than Gardner as I said in post #15:

..and I am aware he DOES provide more offensive production than Gardner who has now put up back to back seasons of approx .257 BA with 16/17 HRs, .749/.742 OPS.
 
The Mets have a payroll that is half of what the Yankees have so It wouldn't surprise if they spend a little to hang onto Cespedes.
 
blgridesagain said:
Yep, agree, Cespedes is unquestionably more productive offensively than Gardner as I said in post #15:

..and I am aware he DOES provide more offensive production than Gardner who has now put up back to back seasons of approx .257 BA with 16/17 HRs, .749/.742 OPS.
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...then exactly what the point of post #8?

1. "Lol, another big long-term contract to a player who will be going into his mid thirties. "

...???.....Not sure what's so funny.

2. "Which Cespedes will we see in the coming seasons for 20+ mil per season
The one who had 17HRs in 230 ABs with a .942 OPS for the Mets,
Or, the one who averaged 24 HRs 87 RBI, .263 BA , 120 Ks and .780 OPS...
... from 2012-2014?"

...that question has already been answered. There really wasn't that much difference in OPS+ between those years...and Rick clearly premised in the OP that his desire was to package Gardner with another player/s in a trade and replace Gardner with Cespedes...seems pretty clear to me.
...Cespedes would be a significant upgrade, period...and Gardner would be a significant trade chip, period.
 
Lets not forget the guy has a cannon for an arm as well. Who knows what happens playoffs wise but Met fans are going to revolt if ownership lets Cespedes walk away.
 
Messiah717 said:
Lets not forget the guy has a cannon for an arm as well. Who knows what happens playoffs wise but Met fans are going to revolt if ownership lets Cespedes walk away.
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...yeah, I brought his defense up a little earlier...his defensive WAR is considerably better than Gardner's...but to be fair to Gardner, he's really a CFer and the only reason he's in left is because of Ellsbury.
...Cespedes is a legit 4-5 tool player.
 
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Messiah717 said:
Lets not forget the guy has a cannon for an arm as well. Who knows what happens playoffs wise but Met fans are going to revolt if ownership lets Cespedes walk away.
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I agree Vic, I don't see the Mets letting him get away. I believe he (Cespedes) also earlier expressed interest of wanting to stay with the Mets.
 


Not missing I left it on the counter last night & this morning I thought it was a racoon & I shot it.
 
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