Charles Oakley contacted by Portland to work with Oden?

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Boy, if I had a choice, I'd sure rather see them get McHale to teach Greg.
 
Oden learning about footwork and post offense is more important to me than him acquiring a "brutish" attitude. Anyone who saw GO in college can tell you that his perceived apathetic attitude on the floor is not a detriment. Oakley wouldn't be my choice. Kevin McHale would.
 
I'd prefer to get someone like David Robinson in to teach him, I don't see how him getting an attitude will hope cut down on fouls.
 
McHale, but why would he do that? Why would he go from a GM to a big man coach?
 
I'd love to see McHale working with Greg on his offense and David Robinson or Dikembe Mutombo working with him on his defense.

Isn't Charles Oakley just a poor man's Maurice Lucas? Didn't we already try that? We don't need Oden to get more physical and deliver more hard fouls (the Oakley trademark). We need him to cut down on the fouls.

If Minnesota does indeed dump McHale as head coach (they already dumped him as GM), I'd love to see Paul make him the highest paid big man coach in the league (if that's what it takes to get him) to work with Oden. Look how much better Kevin Love played after McHale took over as head coach in Minnesota. It was like night and day.

BNM
 
We want a guy who averaged around 3.6 fouls a game playing around 30 mpg through the bulk of his career to work with Oden? Huh? Maybe Shaq will retire and can teach him free throw technique too.
 
RickyRubio said:
You really think Kevin needs the money? lol
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its not about money. Its about staying in the game, so it doesnt pass you up. If his goal is to be a coach or something again in the NBA then your goal is to stay in it. Not sit out because of pride.. ask Sprewell how that went.
 
santeesioux said:
My second question is, how do you teach bringing intimidation and intensity to work every time you get on the court? Oakley also was contacted by Portland officials who suspect it might be good for the team's health if a trace of his brutish attitude rubbed off on Greg Oden
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My second question is, how do you teach bringing intimidation and intensity to work every time you get on the court? Oakley also was contacted by Portland officials who suspect it might be good for the team's health if a trace of his brutish attitude rubbed off on Greg Oden
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Footwork specialist or intimidation specialist -- makes no difference to me. As long as it helps Greg blossom into a force it could be the pope teaching him how to invoke divine intervention to make his hook shot fall for all I care.
 
BrianWheeler said:
its not about money. Its about staying in the game, so it doesnt pass you up. If his goal is to be a coach or something again in the NBA then your goal is to stay in it.
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being a NBA coach is partially about how you're perceived and portrayed... opportunities for employment somewhat hinge on a guy's aura of being a winner or loser. Greg has a decent chance of being a dominant player in the league regardless who they bring in to work with him. A high profile guy like McHale might benefit more from working with Greg then vise versa.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
being a NBA coach is partially about how you're perceived and portrayed... opportunities for employment somewhat hinge on a guy's aura of being a winner or loser. Greg has a decent chance of being a dominant player in the league regardless who they bring in to work with him. A high profile guy like McHale might benefit more from working with Greg then vise versa.

STOMP
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I agree with you. I'm on the Mchale bandwagon. RickRubio was saying he wouldnt do it because he was previously a Head Coach.
 
I can't imagine McHale or David Robinson being willing to be a big man coach, but they both would be great fits; so would Alonzo, Hakeem, maybe even Rik Smits. I think landing one of those guys is near impossible though.

Greg needs repetition of some of the most basic post skills and getting a better touch around the rim. I don't see why a 5'8" can't teach him those things. Once he gets those things down, then we should bring in a big guy coach.

Coach Dean D. made it very clear on Talking Ball last month that he doesn't foresee a big coach coming in for Greg, nor does he think there is a need for he. He said that team was willing to pay a guy Greg's size to defend him all summer.
 
BrianWheeler said:
I agree with you. I'm on the Mchale bandwagon. RickRubio was saying he wouldnt do it because he was previously a Head Coach.
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McHale is very unlikely to leave Minnesota, I think it's far more likely he just retires from basketball altogether versus moving and taking on a special assistant type of role; the travel that went along with coaching sounds to have been one of the biggest deterrents to him even agreeing to become interim coach after Whittman was fired.
 
Nikolokolus said:
McHale is very unlikely to leave Minnesota, I think it's far more likely he just retires from basketball altogether versus moving and taking on a special assistant type of role; the travel that went along with coaching sounds to have been one of the biggest deterrents to him even agreeing to become interim coach after Whittman was fired.
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I know unfortunately thats true. I was just adding to it for the sake of the discussion of Oakley vs McHale
 
BrianWheeler said:
I agree with you. I'm on the Mchale bandwagon. RickRubio was saying he wouldnt do it because he was previously a Head Coach.
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right... I was agreeing with your post and adding my 2¢

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
right... I was agreeing with your post and adding my 2¢

STOMP
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ok lol I thought you were responding to another post, an accidentally hit mine.
 
So, was Pete Newell ever a great NBA center? Great players don't always make great teachers, and likewise, a player mediocre in one aspect of his game could still know HOW to do it. Or better yet how to coach it. I'm not saying Oakley would make a great coach, or even a good one, but discounting him as a coach because of his career seems pretty silly.

Monty Williams wasn't a good player, but seems to get praise for being a good coach. Grugrich was always said to be a great assistant with our young players. Can't find stats on his playing career anywhere. Bayno a decent player?

Again, I'm not saying because of these guys, it means Oakley will bea good coach, just saying to criticize the thought because it isn't Hakeem or Robinson or McHale seems silly. And I can't see any of those three coming through our doors to work with Greg.
 
Shooter said:
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RR7 said:
So, was Pete Newell ever a great NBA center? Great players don't always make great teachers, and likewise, a player mediocre in one aspect of his game could still know HOW to do it. Or better yet how to coach it. I'm not saying Oakley would make a great coach, or even a good one, but discounting him as a coach because of his career seems pretty silly.

Monty Williams wasn't a good player, but seems to get praise for being a good coach. Grugrich was always said to be a great assistant with our young players. Can't find stats on his playing career anywhere. Bayno a decent player?

Again, I'm not saying because of these guys, it means Oakley will bea good coach, just saying to criticize the thought because it isn't Hakeem or Robinson or McHale seems silly. And I can't see any of those three coming through our doors to work with Greg.
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valid points. I remember on BFT the other day Canzano talking about how sometimes the great players dont make good coaches because a lot of what they did in the league came so much easier to them, than other people. So it would be harder for them to teach to other players.
 
RR7 said:
So, was Pete Newell ever a great NBA center? Great players don't always make great teachers, and likewise, a player mediocre in one aspect of his game could still know HOW to do it. Or better yet how to coach it. I'm not saying Oakley would make a great coach, or even a good one, but discounting him as a coach because of his career seems pretty silly.

Monty Williams wasn't a good player, but seems to get praise for being a good coach. Grugrich was always said to be a great assistant with our young players. Can't find stats on his playing career anywhere. Bayno a decent player?

Again, I'm not saying because of these guys, it means Oakley will bea good coach, just saying to criticize the thought because it isn't Hakeem or Robinson or McHale seems silly. And I can't see any of those three coming through our doors to work with Greg.
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100 percent agreed. If Hakeem worked with Greg, it doesn't mean Greg would suddenly develop Dream Shakes and be hitting fadeaway baseline jumpers for example.
Clyde was also a great player, but a terrible coach. There's probably a lot of former players out there who know the game and can teach the game well, but weren't great hall of fame players.

While I don't know about Oakley's coaching abilities, I don't agree with people who say if we bring in Hakeem or the Admiral or McHale or whomever, then suddenly those guys' abilities in the prime of their careers transfer over to Greg.
 
Many great players struggle as HEAD coaches, but guys like Kareem and Patrick Ewing have shown they can teach what they know best.

If travel is an issue for McHale, see if he's available for a week or two this summer. Either send Greg to Minnosota for his own personal Big Man Camp at Lake Wobegon, or see if McHale and his family would be interested in a two week, all expenses paid summer vacation to lovely Columbus, OH - the French Riviera of Central Ohio.

BNM
 
alex42083 said:
100 percent agreed. If Hakeem worked with Greg, it doesn't mean Greg would suddenly develop Dream Shakes and be hitting fadeaway baseline jumpers for example.
Clyde was also a great player, but a terrible coach. There's probably a lot of former players out there who know the game and can teach the game well, but weren't great hall of fame players.

While I don't know about Oakley's coaching abilities, I don't agree with people who say if we bring in Hakeem or the Admiral or McHale or whomever, then suddenly those guys' abilities in the prime of their careers transfer over to Greg.
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I don't think anyone said that. I would much prefer McHale teach Greg footwork and post moves than to have Oakley teach him how to foul hard and intimidate the opposition. That doesn't mean that he will learn all the skills that McHale had, or be as good at them as KM was, but it should teach him a few things that will be of value for his entire career.
 
Oakley contacted re: Big man Coach

Wasn't sure if this had been posted? (From InsideHoops)



Meanwhile, Charles Oakley is under consideration by Donnie Walsh to help big men get down and dirty at the defensive end. Does that mean the Knicks president is unhappy with how easy and how often opponents scored last season? My second question is, how do you teach bringing intimidation and intensity to work every time you get on the court? Oakley also was contacted by Portland officials who suspect it might be good for the team's health if a trace of his brutish attitude rubbed off on Greg Oden. NY Post
 
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Wasn't it Oakley who once said that over 60% of the league's players light up......inlcuding himself? While I'm not necessarily "prudish" on pot itself, I'd think Oakley's history (if I'm correct) in that regard might go against KP's philosophy on Portland's new "culture". (not to mention how it might eventually play out [with Canzano and the like] regarding Oden's mentorship.) :dunno:
 
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ugh, if Greg isn't getting tougher by playing with Joel then I don't see why Oakley would help. Greg biggest problems are his conditioning and confidence and when he drops 20 lbs and starts playing quicker his confidence will come back.
 
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