Chet reportedly tanks workout.

[James lamphear]

Not a crime because players been doing this for long time. You can question there integrity that's about it.

 

[Eli Vance]

"sportsnaut.com"

That report seems like horseshit clickbait on a spammy website. Not buying it. Better run my antivirus now.

 

[Paine Tablet]

Some of your takes are almost criminal.

It's his life... if your Dad set up an interview for you with one of his friends and expected you to take that job if it was offered but you already had a job lined up that you wanted but you also wanted to preserve your ability to count on your family if you needed it... would it be fraudulent to tank that interview? No, it would be managing your life.

Do you think these athletes owe anything outside of contractual obligations to anyone? They don't. You might see them as privileged but they're just incredibly skilled and sought after professionals. I think it's a good sign for Chet that he knows when to make shrewd business decisions, it bodes well for how he'll handle this rare financial opportunity that's in front of him.

I described an act of fraudulence. You handwaved it away. Will you at least admit that deceiving someone out of what they are expectedly paying for is an act of fraudulence? Every criminal has a life, so you thinking "his life" is some sort of justification for fraudulent behavior because he's "incredibly skilled and talented" is precisely the definition of privilege.

I'm reminded of the former scouting director for the Cardinals who spent time in prison for logging into the Astros scouting database with a password he'd obtained from a former Cardinal employee who had moved on to the Astros. There are laws on the tables that govern this type of "hacking", but in reality the kind of ethical problem exists there just as much it exists in Chet's situation. Proprietary information was stolen in the Cardinals' case. Well, in the case Chet's reported deception, we are also dealing with proprietary information. The whole purpose of the workout was to gain this "proprietary information" which is scouting reports, basically. If Chet in good faith told Orlando of negative interest, then perhaps Orlando uses that time to bring in another prospect to gather intel/create "proprietary information". What Chet may've done is not only cost them financial loss on account of the visit, but also deprive them of potential proprietary assets. This is what it boils down to. You don't care about this kind of unethical behavior, but someone spent time in prison for stealing the type of information that Chet essentially sabotaged. I don't really see a difference ethically speaking. You seem to think it's ludicrous that it could be called criminal, but many people are in prison for fraudulent acts. I'm not even saying he should be treated as a criminal, I'm drawing the distinction that such behavior could be considered ethically criminal and that it's simply not justifiable. You seem to think it's ethical and want to encourage it.

 

[blazerkor]

I described an act of fraudulence. You handwaved it away. Will you at least admit that deceiving someone out of what they are expectedly paying for is an act of fraudulence? Every criminal has a life, so you thinking "his life" is some sort of justification for fraudulent behavior because he's "incredibly skilled and talented" is precisely the definition of privilege.

I'm reminded of the former scouting director for the Cardinals who spent time in prison for logging into the Astros scouting database with a password he'd obtained from a former Cardinal employee who had moved on to the Astros. There are laws on the tables that govern this type of "hacking", but in reality the kind of ethical problem exists there just as much it exists in Chet's situation. Proprietary information was stolen in the Cardinals' case. Well, in the case Chet's reported deception, we are also dealing with proprietary information. The whole purpose of the workout was to gain this "proprietary information" which is scouting reports, basically. If Chet in good faith told Orlando of negative interest, then perhaps Orlando uses that time to bring in another prospect to gather intel/create "proprietary information". What Chet may've done is not only cost them financial loss on account of the visit, but also deprive them of potential proprietary assets. This is what it boils down to. You don't care about this kind of unethical behavior, but someone spent time in prison for stealing the type of information that Chet essentially sabotaged. I don't really see a difference ethically speaking. You seem to think it's ludicrous that it could be called criminal, but many people are in prison for fraudulent acts. I'm not even saying he should be treated as a criminal, I'm drawing the distinction that such behavior could be considered ethically criminal and that it's simply not justifiable. You seem to think it's ethical and want to encourage it. I stand against shitlibs because they have no ethics. I understand why you don't like my takes because I stand against you.

Holy Shit!!! This is what you come up with. You said it, "there are laws on the table" for your bullshit comparison. There is no fucking law that says you have to bust your ass in a workout for a team you don't want to play for. It's not fraud. If you think it's immoral that's fine I don't want to debate your morals. I don't think it's in the slightest bit unethical. Prospects don't have the obligation to workout for any team so when a presumptive top 5 pick extends that courtesy they're still under no obligation to prove anything. If Chet handed them falsified medical reports that would be something different because I'm pretty sure there are laws against that but if he didn't hustle or give his full attention to a workout because he wasn't motivated to play for that team, that's his fucking preroggative.

As for your inference that an accurate accounting of who and what Chet is would be information that legally belongs to the Orlando Magic whom Chet has no business relationship with at all, just please give me a break. They have no claim as a proprietor over anything that is Chet Holmgren... none. You're grasping at straws and you're just further ruining your credibility. So do yourself a favor and stop while you're only this far behind.

 

[YamTastic]

lol this fucking thread

 

[crandc]

I mean, he's not our headache. Why should I care?

 

[Chris Craig]

I described an act of fraudulence. You handwaved it away. Will you at least admit that deceiving someone out of what they are expectedly paying for is an act of fraudulence? Every criminal has a life, so you thinking "his life" is some sort of justification for fraudulent behavior because he's "incredibly skilled and talented" is precisely the definition of privilege.

I'm reminded of the former scouting director for the Cardinals who spent time in prison for logging into the Astros scouting database with a password he'd obtained from a former Cardinal employee who had moved on to the Astros. There are laws on the tables that govern this type of "hacking", but in reality the kind of ethical problem exists there just as much it exists in Chet's situation. Proprietary information was stolen in the Cardinals' case. Well, in the case Chet's reported deception, we are also dealing with proprietary information. The whole purpose of the workout was to gain this "proprietary information" which is scouting reports, basically. If Chet in good faith told Orlando of negative interest, then perhaps Orlando uses that time to bring in another prospect to gather intel/create "proprietary information". What Chet may've done is not only cost them financial loss on account of the visit, but also deprive them of potential proprietary assets. This is what it boils down to. You don't care about this kind of unethical behavior, but someone spent time in prison for stealing the type of information that Chet essentially sabotaged. I don't really see a difference ethically speaking. You seem to think it's ludicrous that it could be called criminal, but many people are in prison for fraudulent acts. I'm not even saying he should be treated as a criminal, I'm drawing the distinction that such behavior could be considered ethically criminal and that it's simply not justifiable. You seem to think it's ethical and want to encourage it.

Look. Was what Chet did an asshole move? Sure. Was it criminal? No. There is no law against what he did. Again, the Magic had the number one pick. They could have picked him regardless. They chose not too. He didn't take anything from them. If anything he showed his character right. Made their choice easier.

The Magic got the better guy anyway in Banchero. I don't think they are upset one bit. You seem pretty angry about this? Are you a Magic fan who wanted them to draft Chet or something?

Your example of the Cardinals employee is far different than what Chet did. The Cardinal employee actually broke a law. Chet maybe broke a code of integrity.

Also, thanks for editing out the political insult. In the future, keep the politics to the OT please and careful with insults.