Child Welfare called in on Father who gave Son a Gun

[KeepOnRollin]

Sean Moore Says NJ Child Welfare Agency Overreacted To Facebook Photo Of Son Josh Holding Rifle

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/sean-moore-facebook-gun-photo_n_2910779.html

The ruddy-cheeked, camouflage-clad boy in the photo smiles out from behind a pair of glasses, proudly holding a gun his father gave him as a present for his upcoming 11th birthday.

The weapon in the photo, posted by his dad on Facebook, resembles a military-style assault rifle but, his father says, is actually just a .22-caliber copy. And that, the family believes, is why child welfare case workers and police officers visited the home in Carneys Point last Friday and asked to see his guns.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Sean Moore Says NJ Child Welfare Agency Overreacted To Facebook Photo Of Son Josh Holding Rifle

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/sean-moore-facebook-gun-photo_n_2910779.html

Overreacted? The dad admitted it resembled a military-style assault rifle. How dumb is the dad to take a picture and post it for the world to see? Can he really be shocked that this was the reaction, especially given on the recent tragedies and all the gun control discussions?

I'm all for the right to bear arms, but I'm totally against the right to be stupid.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Overreacted? The dad admitted it resembled a military-style assault rifle. How dumb is the dad to take a picture and post it for the world to see? Can he really be shocked that this was the reaction, especially given on the recent tragedies and all the gun control discussions?

I'm all for the right to bear arms, but I'm totally against the right to be stupid.

For the record I agree with your take. I have no problem with them doing a checkup on the kid and the environment. Now if they tried to do more than that (or take the kid out of that environment) then I would have a problem with it.

 

[porkchopexpress]

From reading the article it sounds like someone called the child abuse hotline and they sent a case worker to check it out and "The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since". Why is this news? Oh yeah, cause the dad is waaaaaaay overreacting and calling this a 2nd amendment issue. What was the alternative, child services NOT responding to a report of potential abuse. Imagine the outrage if the kid shot someone with the non 'copy' version of this guy. It'd be the same people screaming at those 'lazy government workers'.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

For the record I agree with your take. I have no problem with them doing a checkup on the kid and the environment. Now if they tried to do more than that (or take the kid out of that environment) then I would have a problem with it.

Totally agreed. To the next dad who does the same, and nobody responds, people/media will ask, "Why didn't Child Services check on this child?"

So I understand the checkup. If it goes beyond the checkup, then it's a bit ridiculous. I hope during the checkup somebody slapped some commons sense into the dad. Different topic, but it's the same way I feel about these kids who send naked pics of themselves over social media/mobile phones and expect only the intended recipient to see them.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

From reading the article it sounds like someone called the child abuse hotline and they sent a case worker to check it out and "The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since". Why is this news? Oh yeah, cause the dad is waaaaaaay overreacting and calling this a 2nd amendment issue. What was the alternative, child services NOT responding to a report of potential abuse. Imagine the outrage if the kid shot someone with the non 'copy' version of this guy. It'd be the same people screaming at those 'lazy government workers'.

Totally agreed. First, dad is an idiot. Then he follows it up by being a bigger idiot and making the world aware just how much of an idiot he is.

 

[porkchopexpress]

Totally agreed. To the next dad who does the same, and nobody responds, people/media will ask, "Why didn't Child Services check on this child?"

So I understand the checkup. If it goes beyond the checkup, then it's a bit ridiculous. I hope during the checkup somebody slapped some commons sense into the dad. Different topic, but it's the same way I feel about these kids who send naked pics of themselves over social media/mobile phones and expect only the intended recipient to see them.

but..but..but..it's supposed to be deleted after 10 seconds. People young and old are dumb. I think that is what we can take away from both this dad and people who sext thinking it'll never get out.

 

[RR7]

. Different topic, but it's the same way I feel about these kids who send naked pics of themselves over social media/mobile phones and expect only the intended recipient to see them.

No, I think if you put, "For Your Eyes Only" in the message, they legally can't share it.

 

[Denny Crane]

It takes a village.

 

[BlazerWookee]

It takes a village.

I thought it was, "It takes a village, idiot..."

 

[Natebishop3]

Wait... so you guys think it's acceptable to call child services simply because the guy posts a picture of his kid holding a rifle? That seems so extreme to me.

I don't see any signs of abuse. I don't see anything improper in the photo. He's not pointing the gun at anyone. Where exactly is the justification that this could potentially be abusive?

This was the dad's facebook page, right? I could even see calling the cops if the kid posted the picture, but it was the dad, no? So basically people are calling the cops any time they see a gun now. That's what we've become. Sad.

It's getting to the point where you can't post anything online anymore. At least not under your real name.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Wait... so you guys think it's acceptable to call child services simply because the guy posts a picture of his kid holding a rifle? That seems so extreme to me.

I don't see any signs of abuse. I don't see anything improper in the photo. He's not pointing the gun at anyone. Where exactly is the justification that this could potentially be abusive?

This was the dad's facebook page, right? I could even see calling the cops if the kid posted the picture, but it was the dad, no? So basically people are calling the cops any time they see a gun now. That's what we've become. Sad.

It's getting to the point where you can't post anything online anymore. At least not under your real name.

I don't agree with someone making the anonymous call to CPS but since it happened CPS has to take a look. So the issue would really be with whoever turned the dad in. Not CPS. They seemed to drop it right away (as they should) after making a fairly routine visit that they probably have to make quite often when people are turned in for almost no reason.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't get the big fuss with having child services do a check on the residence. It's funny because this is what dad says:

"I don't like what happened," he said. "You're not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."

OK that might be true. But in this case he refused to open the safe and didn't get in trouble for it. So in fact they can not just show up at your house at any time and make you open safes and go through your house. The dad exercized his rights, the police did not exceed their authority and left the premesis without getting what they wanted (to look in the safe).

Posters who are think the gov't goes beyond what they should be doing with regard to firearms and safety of children should be applauding this article as the dad said no to the police and the police went away. Where is the abuse of power? Where is there a violation of the 2nd amendment? What exactly is the problem?

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't agree with someone making the anonymous call to CPS but since it happened CPS has to take a look. So the issue would really be with whoever turned the dad in. Not CPS. They seemed to drop it right away (as they should) after making a fairly routine visit that they probably have to make quite often when people are turned in for almost no reason.

I think it's a little ridiculous that they showed up with CPS and four cops. Why not check in with the family first and see if they're cooperative?

 

[RR7]

I think it's a little ridiculous that they showed up with CPS and four cops. Why not check in with the family first and see if they're cooperative?

check in what, with a phone call? Hey, are you a good parent? Yes? ok, we won't bother you, thanks!

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I think it's a little ridiculous that they showed up with CPS and four cops. Why not check in with the family first and see if they're cooperative?

Sounds ridiculous but for all I know that could be standard procedure when it entails a firearm. I do know that if they didn't check up on all these little anonymous submissions then the 1 out of 100 that was a threat (that they missed or disregarded) would be a much bigger story in the media then this.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I don't agree with someone making the anonymous call to CPS but since it happened CPS has to take a look. So the issue would really be with whoever turned the dad in. Not CPS. They seemed to drop it right away (as they should) after making a fairly routine visit that they probably have to make quite often when people are turned in for almost no reason.

Know your audience. Know who your friends are. If the dad were smart enough to protect himself and his kids, he would have a very limited following on FB, or he would be aware of the consequences of his own actions. That's what's so f***ing funny, these days. People think they can do whatever they want and there's no consequences.

As little and as petty of some of these issues are that blow up, be wise, think before doing something, consider the consequences. And when the consequences come, own it and accept it. That's something that was instilled in me from the day I was born. I still did plenty of dumb shit, but I accepted the punishments, and if I disagreed with the punishments, I looked within myself to try to discover why I was punished. This dad should do the same thing. Don't blame the system here. Blame yourself for not considering the results of your own actions. Blame your "friends" for reporting you. Blame yourself for adding your FB "friends". Don't blame the system for doing what it's designed to do. And don't be upset when the system checks in and then doesn't punish you.

 

[MARIS61]

Nothing short of abuse of office for political gain.

No law was broken nor was there any reason for csd to butt in. The so called complaint alleged LEGAL acts, nothing more, and should have been prosecuted as filing a false report.


Crazy so many of you care so little about your basic day to day freedom.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Nothing short of abuse of office for political gain.

No law was broken nor was there any reason for csd to butt in. The so called complaint alleged LEGAL acts, nothing more, and should have been prosecuted as filing a false report.


Crazy so many of you care so little about your basic day to day freedom.

It's not the system's fault, here. And I'm usually ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY against the system. I'm all about government staying out of my house. When Child Services gets a call, they are supposed to act on it. We don't know what was said in the complaint filed. The person could have made it much bigger than it was. So how you can blame the system without knowing everything else is beyond me. And even then, the system did what it was supposed to do: respond when concerns/complaints are raised about a child's well-being. How people can criticize the system here is beyond me.

 

[MARIS61]

I don't get the big fuss with having child services do a check on the residence. It's funny because this is what dad says:

"I don't like what happened," he said. "You're not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."

OK that might be true. But in this case he refused to open the safe and didn't get in trouble for it. So in fact they can not just show up at your house at any time and make you open safes and go through your house. The dad exercized his rights, the police did not exceed their authority and left the premesis without getting what they wanted (to look in the safe).

Posters who are think the gov't goes beyond what they should be doing with regard to firearms and safety of children should be applauding this article as the dad said no to the police and the police went away. Where is the abuse of power? Where is there a violation of the 2nd amendment? What exactly is the problem?

He knew he had the right to send them away, but cops always tell you they can or intimidate and few citizens have they courage or knowledge to stand their ground. Nobody should be harassed this way.

Had he bought his son a bicycle would any of this happened?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

^Terrible comparison.

Every child I know growing up had a bike. Or at least rode bikes. At age 4 even.

Very few ever had a gun before the age of 18.

Let's play a game. We find a big area in Bend, or wherever else in Central, Oregon. A couple of acres. You and me, but we have to stay within the specified area. You get a bike, I'll get the gun. Last man standing wins. I mean really? There's bad comparisons, and there's BAD comparisons.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

^For the record, this was an example just to show how absurd Maris' post was - please don't send the police or Child Services to my house. I don't even own a gun.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

He knew he had the right to send them away, but cops always tell you they can or intimidate and few citizens have they courage or knowledge to stand their ground. Nobody should be harassed this way.

Had he bought his son a bicycle would any of this happened?

This is where we have a fundamental difference in the way we view society. I don't think all police officers are honest and upstanding people, but I do believe a majority of them are and will not lie or intimidate under these circumstances. Whereas you think all of them do. So I get where you are coming from.

I will ask you, do you think in your profession, that you should be judged by the real estate agents that will lie and deceive their own clients to make a sale. Because I think those agents are more the exception than the rule and most real estate agents are good hard working people . . . but I think the same about police officers.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Look if CPS doesn't handle it the way they did and something bad happens they will get barbequed for it.

 

[Sedatedfork]

^Terrible comparison.

Every child I know growing up had a bike. Or at least rode bikes. At age 4 even.

Very few ever had a gun before the age of 18.

Let's play a game. We find a big area in Bend, or wherever else in Central, Oregon. A couple of acres. You and me, but we have to stay within the specified area. You get a bike, I'll get the gun. Last man standing wins. I mean really? There's bad comparisons, and there's BAD comparisons.

The Ripcity Two Hunger Games. Sounds fun!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Look if CPS doesn't handle it the way they did and something bad happens they will get barbequed for it.

This has happened right here in Oregon. CSD got reports regarding Ward Weaver and never followed up. Turns out he murdered Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis. CSD got raked over the coals (rightfully so) and changed policies due to that case.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I don't agree with someone making the anonymous call to CPS but since it happened CPS has to take a look. So the issue would really be with whoever turned the dad in. Not CPS. They seemed to drop it right away (as they should) after making a fairly routine visit that they probably have to make quite often when people are turned in for almost no reason.

This. I'd rather CPS over-investigate than under-investigate. Whoever called them should be thoroughly, mercilessly, and very publicly ridiculed.

 

[BlazerWookee]

^For the record, this was an example just to show how absurd Maris' post was - please don't send the police or Child Services to my house. I don't even own a gun.

Do you own any children?

Do you want to?

 

[MARIS61]

^Terrible comparison.

Every child I know growing up had a bike. Or at least rode bikes. At age 4 even.

Very few ever had a gun before the age of 18.

Let's play a game. We find a big area in Bend, or wherever else in Central, Oregon. A couple of acres. You and me, but we have to stay within the specified area. get a bike, I'll get the gun. Last man standing wins. I mean really? There's bad comparisons, and there's BAD comparisons.

Never mind that I'd have a decided advantage over you in that situation whether I had bike or a balloon, you're changing the subject. Your personal fear of guns is meaningless to the thread topic which is the abuse of power by the government.

Buying your child a bike is far more likely to result in his death or Injury than buying him a gun.

Nearly every kid I grew up with had guns and nobody I have ever known has ever been shot with a gun.

 

[MARIS61]

This is where we have a fundamental difference in the way we view society. I don't think all police officers are honest and upstanding people, but I do believe a majority of them are and will not lie or intimidate under these circumstances. Whereas you think all of them do. So I get where you are coming from.

I will ask you, do you think in your profession, that you should be judged by the real estate agents that will lie and deceive their own clients to make a sale. Because I think those agents are more the exception than the rule and most real estate agents are good hard working people . . . but I think the same about police officers.

I grew up around cops and have worked closely with law enforcement throughout my life. I have known dozens upon dozens of cops, some for many years.

All cops lie and intimidate. They are trained to and instructed to and are required to. It's in the job description.