'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich **UPDATED*

[Natebishop3]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

before we all jump on the "Mundt is God, Colt should sit" bandwagon... sure Mundt had an excellent game receiving (Colt probably would have too, sometimes the game just dictates who you check down to, and the D decided to try and take away everyone else but Mundt) But there were some run plays where Colt was severely missed. The edges werent sealed off and w/o DAT's speed its a 3/4 yard loss.

This isnt to take away from Mundt, congrats on his debut. But he is in no way ready to supplant a player of Colt's caliber in the starting lineup, or on a regular basis.

It's not so much that I think Mundt should take his place, just that I've been wondering why Colt hasn't had more of an impact in the first two games. I thought it was because the Ducks weren't throwing to him, but in comes Mundt and he puts up big numbers, so what's the deal?

Why do you think Colt has so few receptions when he plays? It's almost like the Ducks use him as a fullback and not a TE.

 

[Wheels]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

It's not so much that I think Mundt should take his place, just that I've been wondering why Colt hasn't had more of an impact in the first two games. I thought it was because the Ducks weren't throwing to him, but in comes Mundt and he puts up big numbers, so what's the deal?

Why do you think Colt has so few receptions when he plays? It's almost like the Ducks use him as a fullback and not a TE.

I disagree on the impact. IMO Colt has had a HUGE impact. Coaches may feel he is needed more to help with the running game. As I mentioned watch Tennesee blow up some running plays on the edge, because Lyerla's blocking wasnt there. There is a WR consistency (so far) that there hasnt been since 2010, so it may be that he is better served helping a run game that is less proven than in the past.

Thats what I was alluding to in my post. Sometimes the game just dictates that. When someone is that Big and Talented, and Athletic, Colt is going to garner a lot more attention than a true Freshman making a debut who you have no College Film on.

Ed Dickson was the same way, he'd garner a ton of attention and game plan so you go elsewhere because a Coach's job, and QB's job is to win, whatever way that may be. Then Dickson would EXPLODE in his game vs Cal, when opposing teams would choose to take other options away then "come back to earth" stats wise when teams realize that they have to attempt to take him out of the equation as well.

 

[Quack U!]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

Colt is the most NFL ready TE I've seen since Heath Miller and Zach Ertz. This kid is a load to bring down and his YAC is what 8-10 yards a play? It's troubling he wasn't used way more against Stanford last year. We would have been national champs if they had! If you have a weapon like this and you don't use it, the obvious question becomes why? It's certainly not his performance on the field.

 

[Wheels]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

Also further re: Mundt getting those catches. Its also a matter of a coach putting his player in the best position to succeed IMO. As opposed to just trying to jam a square peg into a round hole. Mundt obviously isnt anywhere near physically mature as Colt, let alone at the same level Colt was at his age.. so blocking might not be a strong point of Mundt's yet. So why leave him back there like Colt to fail?

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

I disagree on the impact. IMO Colt has had a HUGE impact. Coaches may feel he is needed more to help with the running game. As I mentioned watch Tennesee blow up some running plays on the edge, because Lyerla's blocking wasnt there. There is a WR consistency (so far) that there hasnt been since 2010, so it may be that he is better served helping a run game that is less proven than in the past.

Thats what I was alluding to in my post. Sometimes the game just dictates that. When someone is that Big and Talented, and Athletic, Colt is going to garner a lot more attention than a true Freshman making a debut who you have no College Film on.

Ed Dickson was the same way, he'd garner a ton of attention and game plan so you go elsewhere because a Coach's job, and QB's job is to win, whatever way that may be. Then Dickson would EXPLODE in his game vs Cal, when opposing teams would choose to take other options away then "come back to earth" stats wise when teams realize that they have to attempt to take him out of the equation as well.

Sorry, I should have clarified. I wasn't saying that he doesn't have any impact, I was saying I was confused by his lack of impact in the throwing game. He has very few receptions, and a lot of that is simply from a lack of being thrown to. My point was that I didn't understand why Mundt could come in and have a huge game through the air, and Colt gets maybe 2-3 throws a game.

 

[Wheels]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

Sorry, I should have clarified. I wasn't saying that he doesn't have any impact, I was saying I was confused by his lack of impact in the throwing game. He has very few receptions, and a lot of that is simply from a lack of being thrown to. My point was that I didn't understand why Mundt could come in and have a huge game through the air, and Colt gets maybe 2-3 throws a game.

That to me is answered with Tennessee choosing to Make a True FR in his Debut beat you, instead of Huff, Addison, DAT, Lowe, Hawkins, Marshall, and any other weapons in UO's arsenal.

 

[Zalsa]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

How about we go with a 2 TE-set? Mundt and Lyerla would form a lethal duo.

And I think Helfrich and Colt will have a nice private sit down and soon, all water under the bridge.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

That to me is answered with Tennessee choosing to Make a True FR in his Debut beat you, instead of Huff, Addison, DAT, Lowe, Hawkins, Marshall, and any other weapons in UO's arsenal.

I get what you're saying, but what I've never understood is how Colt can be this awesome prospect, NFL ready, and only get a couple passes thrown to him every game. If I was Colt, I would be extremely frustrated.

 

[STOMP]

I get what you're saying, but what I've never understood is how Colt can be this awesome prospect, NFL ready, and only get a couple passes thrown to him every game. If I was Colt, I would be extremely frustrated

hopefully he (and everyone else on the team) is more focused on team goals then the individual stats/goals that you seem to emphasize.

You expressed doubts that Dion Jordan could be such an awesome prospect with so relatively few sacks and not dominating the game the way that you felt a top prospect should, and yet he ultimately was drafted #3. Perhaps you don't have the best idea of what NFL GMs/scouts are looking for?

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

hopefully he (and everyone else on the team) is more focused on team goals then the individual stats/goals that you seem to emphasize.

You expressed doubts that Dion Jordan could be such an awesome prospect with so relatively few sacks and not dominating the game the way that you felt a top prospect should, and yet he ultimately was drafted #3. Perhaps you don't have the best idea of what NFL GMs/scouts are looking for?

STOMP

These guys are ultimately hoping to get into the NFL, no? If we have someone that is supposed to be an amazing TE, pro prospect, shouldn't he be dominating at the college level?

I did have doubts about Jordan. How is it that a guy like Clowney can completely dominate in college, but Jordan was very ho-hum?

This is an internet forum. It's where people go to express opinions and ideas. When have I ever claimed to be an expert on college football? I enjoy watching football. I like to post my thoughts and discuss the Ducks. Why do you have to be such a critical person of others who have differing opinions from yourself? It's really quite disrespectful. You get so annoyed when anyone has even a somewhat negative view of the team.

 

[Wheels]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

The invented Colt Lyerla vs. Mark Helfrich saga is about as insipidly stupid as anything we’ve seen come out of the Oregon athletic department in some time.

There is absolutely zero story to be had here.

An ill player missed Saturday's 59-14 win over Tennessee at Autzen Stadium. The head coach stuck to his policies regarding not revealing sensitive player information by stating the player missed due to "circumstances." Some suspected the worst given the ill player’s background. The player, solely responsible for said background, then lashed out at his coach through the very media, which doubted him the most.

Cue circus music and alert the producers of Days of our Lives.

http://www.csnnw.com/ducks/contrived-colt-lyerla-drama-much-ado-about-circumstances

 

[Wheels]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich **UPDA

^Fentress kinda taking Quick behind the woodshed

 

[STOMP]

These guys are ultimately hoping to get into the NFL, no? If we have someone that is supposed to be an amazing TE, pro prospect, shouldn't he be dominating at the college level?

I did have doubts about Jordan. How is it that a guy like Clowney can completely dominate in college, but Jordan was very ho-hum?

This is an internet forum. It's where people go to express opinions and ideas. When have I ever claimed to be an expert on college football? I enjoy watching football. I like to post my thoughts and discuss the Ducks. Why do you have to be such a critical person of others who have differing opinions from yourself? It's really quite disrespectful. You get so annoyed when anyone has even a somewhat negative view of the team.

oh please, I'm being respectful, but I do disagree with you. Why are you always so sensitive about the righteousness of your opinion?

Jordan did dominate college football according to just about everyone but you. Like Clowney, teams ran their offense away from him for a reason. His DE spot had a very different set of responsibilities then Clowney's including dropping into coverage (hence the Drop End position title) roughly 60% of the time. The point I was making is that despite your doubts, his play & skills were highly valued. Hell, Kyle Long wasn't even a starter for most of the year and yet he was a 1st rounder too... did he dominate college football?

While on one hand you site you've never claimed to be an expert on college football, you also say that Colt should be dominating if he's hoping to get to the NFL... so you're claiming to know whats important to NFL scouts. Many posters here feel he is dominating in both his blocking and capitalizing on his catching opportunities. They point to various mocks & media types who have him rated very highly. Of course being a TE in one system brings different responsibilities then another, so amount of catches isn't something that scouts are going to look at like the holy grail. If on field production was all important to NFL scouts, Boise State QB Kellen Moore would have gone #1 overall a couple years back instead of going undrafted.

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[PapaG]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

I get what you're saying, but what I've never understood is how Colt can be this awesome prospect, NFL ready, and only get a couple passes thrown to him every game. If I was Colt, I would be extremely frustrated.

He dropped three passes against Virginia. It was frustrating seeing him drop those easy throws.

 

[PapaG]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

That to me is answered with Tennessee choosing to Make a True FR in his Debut beat you, instead of Huff, Addison, DAT, Lowe, Hawkins, Marshall, and any other weapons in UO's arsenal.

Tennessee had no idea that Lyerla wouldn't be playing until they saw Mundt on the field. There is no way they would adjust their game plan. It doesn't take a football wizard to know that the first thing you try to do against Oregon is take away the run. Tennessee was in man coverage because they were stuffing the box, and Mariota picked them apart based on reads at the line. Colt would have had the exact same reads, and hopefully would have caught the ball. If any defensive coordinator in the country is game planning to shut down Colt Lyerla first and foremost, they don't deserve to have their job.

 

[MickZagger]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich **UPDA

Mundt was laying some nasty stiff arms. It was great to see.

 

[MickZagger]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

With defense its not always the numbers but the effect a player has on the other teams game plan. Point in case, Dion Jordan. Ngata was like that, too.

 

[MickZagger]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

On a side note I think it's interesting that Pharaoh Brown wasn't in, is his injury more than what is being reported, and what of Dwayne Stanford?

Yeah, I'm surprised they haven't used Stanford yet as well.

 

[STOMP]

Yeah, I'm surprised they haven't used Stanford yet as well.

getting back to how injuries aren't discussed, Stanford suffered some sort of leg/knee injury in the Spring and is still rounding up following some down time. I'm not aware of him playing yet this season so a Redshirt year may be a possibility

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[Targus]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich **UPDA

I agree with most of the comments. Mark was not at fault. Truth be told, he owes the media and us fans NOTHING in the way of information. He was vague...sure...but, he's allowed to be. Slimebag Quick simply had his little ego hurt. Colt simply needs to shut the F up and man up. He's turning into a whining little sap who thinks he's entitled. I'll cut Colt some slack because he's not as mature as most 20 year olds should be, due to substance abuse, but IF you are offended by someone of authority (coach) you go to that person DIRECTLY, not whine like a little limp-wrist to the media.

The guy acts like he's 14 years old sometimes. Love his ability on the field. Not hurt at all when he leaves for the NFL.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich **UPDA

I agree with most of the comments. Mark was not at fault. Truth be told, he owes the media and us fans NOTHING in the way of information. He was vague...sure...but, he's allowed to be. Slimebag Quick simply had his little ego hurt. Colt simply needs to shut the F up and man up. He's turning into a whining little sap who thinks he's entitled. I'll cut Colt some slack because he's not as mature as most 20 year olds should be, due to substance abuse, but IF you are offended by someone of authority (coach) you go to that person DIRECTLY, not whine like a little limp-wrist to the media.

The guy acts like he's 14 years old sometimes. Love his ability on the field. Not hurt at all when he leaves for the NFL.

Totally agree, and Colt will get a wakeup call with an NFL coaching staff.