Politics City officials need incentive to address homelessness

[Hoopguru]

How long does it take bureaucratic city/county government to address priority issues, besides bike paths? To long!

I like what the councilman is proposing for LA in addressing the homeless camps in public.



Buscaino: Dock officials' pay if homelessness progress lags
https://www.latimes.com › california › story › buscaino...

 

[jonnyboy]

Relocate the homeless to politicians gated communities. Problem solved. Incentive.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How long does it take bureaucratic city/county government to address priority issues, besides bike paths? To long!

I like what the councilman is proposing for LA in addressing the homeless camps in public.



Buscaino: Dock officials' pay if homelessness progress lags
https://www.latimes.com › california › story › buscaino...

I don't think they care about that salary, but yeah, sure.

 

[Road Ratt]

A War on Homelessness

 

[ABM]

Convert Expo center to expanded homeless shelter

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Was in Riverside, Ca recently and if you think the camps in Portland are bad - it’s way worse in LA.

I’m just glad I wasn’t robbed

 

[Orion Bailey]

Was in Riverside, Ca recently and if you think the camps in Portland are bad - it’s way worse in LA.

I’m just glad I wasn’t robbed

Wait aRe you saying you think most homeless are potential criminals?
But the answer is to house and pay for them to enable them to do more of the same?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Wait aRe you saying you think most homeless are potential criminals?
But the answer is to house and pay for them to enable them to do more of the same?

Most people in general are potential criminals. Homeless camps and general disarray and desperation invite criminals.

Housing people and removing the desperation removes much of the opportunity for criminal activity.

It's also far less expensive than allowing them to remain homeless.

Very simple concept.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Most people in general are potential criminals. Homeless camps and general disarray and desperation invite criminals.

Housing people and removing the desperation removes much of the opportunity for criminal activity.

It's also far less expensive than allowing them to remain homeless.

Very simple concept.

Your opinion. Far from simple or it would be solved. Fact.

part of the reality of the situation is there are many criminals with roofs over their head as well. This opinion that a roof over ones head will change their behavior is laughable at best.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Your opinion. Far from simple or it would be solved. Fact.

part of the reality of the situation is there are many criminals with roofs over their head as well. This opinion that a roof over ones head will change their behavior is laughable at best.

It's not opinion. It has been solved in many places. As I've proven many times.

Fact.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's not opinion. It has been solved in many places. As I've proven many times.

Fact.

solved in small sample situations different than our own. One answer does not fit all situations. Fact.

When your ideas, currently being implemented or initiated at least, shows it works in the situation Portland and most of the West coast cities work and you show those cities have removed the homeless and lowered crime,

its all just an opinion. “Its so simple” is not Fact, or again, it would have been solved already. Everyone would see it as so simple and solve and erase the problem.

 

[barfo]

“Its so simple” is not Fact, or again, it would have been solved already. Everyone would see it as so simple and solve and erase the problem.

You are assuming that everyone wants the problem solved, or is willing to accept any policy that solves the problem. It's not true.

For instance, some people will object to any solution that involves the giving of 'free stuff'.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

You are assuming that everyone wants the problem solved, or is willing to accept any policy that solves the problem. It's not true.

For instance, some people will object to any solution that involves the giving of 'free stuff'.

barfo

and then some others are for some free stuff, but not other Free stuff. But some people feel that it should all be free and everyone should agree period.

 

[Phatguysrule]

solved in small sample situations different than our own. One answer does not fit all situations. Fact.

When your ideas, currently being implemented or initiated at least, shows it works in the situation Portland and most of the West coast cities work and you show those cities have removed the homeless and lowered crime,

its all just an opinion. “Its so simple” is not Fact, or again, it would have been solved already. Everyone would see it as so simple and solve and erase the problem.

It has worked in smaller populations (as in Salt Lake City) and larger populations (as in Finland).

The only thing that has ever gotten in the way of housing first working is cutting funding for housing first.

That's it. It has worked every time it has ever been tried in every situation.

But some people would rather have homeless people living all over our public spaces in piles of garbage, at a higher cost, rather than saving money by providing secure housing for those people instead.

 

[Road Ratt]

I see it this way.

Tax the rich at rates they were taxed back before all of the tax breaks that they received from our government. The money every state in America would gain in tax revenue would pay for everything that needs to be done, and then some.

We need to tax the rich at a rate that... ends the ability to become a billionaire on this planet. Their control over our government, and other governments as well, is the cause of the wealth inequality across this planet.

But that may be too simplistic. (I see things by the K.I.S.S. rule lately though. It makes everything easier.)

 

[Phatguysrule]

I see it this way.

Tax the rich at rates they were taxed back before all of the tax breaks that they received from our government. The money every state in America would gain in tax revenue would pay for everything that needs to be done, and then some.

We need to tax the rich at a rate that... ends the ability to become a billionaire on this planet. Their control over our government, and other governments as well, is the cause of the wealth inequality across this planet.

But that may be too simplistic. (I see things by the K.I.S.S. rule lately though. It makes everything easier.)

I think you're right, but there is also a concern about government spending the money other places than solving those problems.

This is where setting government standards high enough to solve these problems, then figuring out how to pay for it later comes in...

I'm not sure which is better, but I'm not convinced that our government would just start solving important problems because they received more money.

There is no question in my mind that we have enough money to solve these problems...

 

[Orion Bailey]

It has worked in smaller populations (as in Salt Lake City) and larger populations (as in Finland).

The only thing that has ever gotten in the way of housing first working is cutting funding for housing first.

That's it. It has worked every time it has ever been tried in every situation.

But some people would rather have homeless people living all over our public spaces in piles of garbage, at a higher cost, rather than saving money by providing secure housing for those people instead.

i think you are completely minimizing the long term bad habits being enabled and thus potentially passing this onto offspring, further complicating the problem as more an ore continue to believe others will pay for their choices in life.
Nothing has shown it has worked long term, (ending the pattern of irresponsibility thats at a level to undermine a productive life into a homeless addict) because it hasn't gone on ling enough to show signs of fixing the foundational issues.
Tossing a rug over the dirt doesn't make it go away.

 

[Chris Craig]

Just throw them all in jail and clean up the trash. That's what you guys want.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Just throw them all in jail and clean up the trash. That's what you guys want.

Noooo i want a compromise.
There are many other avenues than the only one projected here.
Why cant it be a, go to jail and either attend drug rehab/councelling or enter into a work program? There are other avenues to rehabilitate and move someone’s path into a productive one for themselves and society.
Its just thst some of us believe its better to teach a man to fish so they can feed themselves than to just continue catching fish and giving it away to those who cant.

And frankly im tired of the “uncaring,disgusting” views peope have of this.

Many people think its more disgusting and careless and selfish to just keep enabling self destructive behavior. Many people think its more humane to educate those in need so one can fend for themselves, than to just give handouts of monetary value without any information or knowledge improvement.


Or one can take the same easy road for the opposite argument.

and some want to give them a roof over thier head as a reward for trashing the streets. Enabling them to continue trashing the streets and passing that beHavior on as acceptable to their children and those they are around.

 

[Phatguysrule]

i think you are completely minimizing the long term bad habits being enabled and thus potentially passing this onto offspring, further complicating the problem as more an ore continue to believe others will pay for their choices in life.
Nothing has shown it has worked long term, (ending the pattern of irresponsibility thats at a level to undermine a productive life into a homeless addict) because it hasn't gone on ling enough to show signs of fixing the foundational issues.
Tossing a rug over the dirt doesn't make it go away.

Like I said...

... some people would rather have homeless people living all over our public spaces in piles of garbage, at a higher cost, rather than saving money by providing secure housing for those people instead.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Like I said...

let me know when you have a point worthy of… my reading time!

 

[Phatguysrule]

let me know when you have a point worthy of… my reading time!

I'm not sure how the solutions aren't worth your reading time... But, again like I said above... You can't get past not wanting it to work so you will look for endless excuses as to why it can't.

Even in the face of overwhelming statistical evidence.

This is like flat earthers, moon landing deniers, climate change deniers, 6000 year old Earthers, Covid deniers, etc, etc...

Doesn't make sense to me, but people like to believe whatever makes them feel better.

 

[Chris Craig]

Noooo i want a compromise.
There are many other avenues than the only one projected here.
Why cant it be a, go to jail and either attend drug rehab/councelling or enter into a work program? There are other avenues to rehabilitate and move someone’s path into a productive one for themselves and society.
Its just thst some of us believe its better to teach a man to fish so they can feed themselves than to just continue catching fish and giving it away to those who cant.

And frankly im tired of the “uncaring,disgusting” views peope have of this.

Many people think its more disgusting and careless and selfish to just keep enabling self destructive behavior. Many people think its more humane to educate those in need so one can fend for themselves, than to just give handouts of monetary value without any information or knowledge improvement.


Or one can take the same easy road for the opposite argument.

and some want to give them a roof over thier head as a reward for trashing the streets. Enabling them to continue trashing the streets and passing that beHavior on as acceptable to their children and those they are around.

The problem is no one in the public arena who can do something wants to compromise. It's one way or the other or its short sighted solutions or it's unrealized ideas that could be successful but are given up on because that success isn't immediate.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Noooo i want a compromise.
There are many other avenues than the only one projected here.
Why cant it be a, go to jail and either attend drug rehab/councelling or enter into a work program?

Because being homeless isn't against the law. Nobody is opposed to arresting people who break the law.

There are other avenues to rehabilitate and move someone’s path into a productive one for themselves and society.
Its just thst some of us believe its better to teach a man to fish so they can feed themselves than to just continue catching fish and giving it away to those who cant.

What other avenues and where have they worked better than housing first?

And frankly im tired of the “uncaring,disgusting” views peope have of this.

?

Many people think its more disgusting and careless and selfish to just keep enabling self destructive behavior. Many people think its more humane to educate those in need so one can fend for themselves, than to just give handouts of monetary value without any information or knowledge improvement.

Examples please?

Or one can take the same easy road for the opposite argument.

and some want to give them a roof over thier head

As the courts have ruled, is the government's responsibility...

as a reward for trashing the streets.

Government housing is not a reward. No capable person would enjoy living under housing first, and hense would choose to pay for other arrangements.

Enabling them to continue trashing the streets and passing that beHavior on as acceptable to their children and those they are around.

So... keep homeless children... homeless? So they learn not to take handouts?

I'm not following the logic here...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Chris Craig]

But you can't get rich with a homeless shelter

 

[SlyPokerDog]

But you can't get rich with a homeless shelter

You could if you stole and resold their kidneys while they slept.

 

[Chris Craig]

You could if you stole and resold their kidneys while they slept.

True

 

[Phatguysrule]

But you can't get rich with a homeless shelter

Just train them to be "hunting guides" in Eastern Oregon. Good honest work... In demand. Room for advancement...

 

[Chris Craig]

You could if you stole and resold their kidneys while they slept.

Welcome to our mega homeless shelter...we just need to perform a quick medical exam to confirm your eligibility