CJ quietly outplaying Dame?

[Rastapopoulos]

Over the past ten games, although Lillard is of course scoring more than CJ (and getting more assists and rebounds), CJ is shooting better from everywhere. And, in a surprising reversal from earlier this season, Lillard is a net minus of 4.9 per game, while CJ is our only major rotation player in the positive (0.8). Thoughts?

(Of course I wouldn't say that this means we should shop Lillard and keep CJ or anything like that, I just think it's odd. Is it a sign that Lillard is being overworked? That defenses are loading up on him and making life easier on CJ? Part of the reason CJ had a bad +/- earlier in the season I attributed to him playing PG for our awful bench, so what's changed?)

 

[Boob-No-More]

C.J. has been hot. Dame has been cold. Haven't you heard? Lillard is feast or famine.

BNM

 

[Tunchi]

Dame is a nice player. He's better in the eye test this year as well. But I also think Dame is overrated. You give Cj his own team he's just as good or better than Dame.

Cj is super efficient and that's my favorite part about his game

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Over the past ten games, although Lillard is of course scoring more than CJ (and getting more assists and rebounds), CJ is shooting better from everywhere. And, in a surprising reversal from earlier this season, Lillard is a net minus of 4.9 per game, while CJ is our only major rotation player in the positive (0.8). Thoughts?

(Of course I wouldn't say that this means we should shop Lillard and keep CJ or anything like that, I just think it's odd. Is it a sign that Lillard is being overworked? That defenses are loading up on him and making life easier on CJ? Part of the reason CJ had a bad +/- earlier in the season I attributed to him playing PG for our awful bench, so what's changed?)

Opposing defenses focus on Lillard first and most. Lillard can beat a team, CJ can do well against a team.

 

[Tunchi]

 

[e_blazer]

All I know is that it's nice to have two players that good on the Blazers' roster. I'd love to find a third one to put into the debate.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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Dammit, I knew Olshey should have drafted those 414 other guys instead of Lillard.

 

[Tunchi]

Dammit, I knew Olshey should have drafted those 414 other guys instead of Lillard.

Lol

 

[Cippy91]

Well last time I checked CJ doesmg have the best defenders of the opposing team on him on some nights. Clipppers always play moute on dame. Last night, ariza covered dame most of the night with a mix of Patrick Beverley and Brewer. I get what you're saying numbers wise but you also have to take into account who they are being guarded by. Love cj but I also have seen him in garbage time look for his own shots so much as opposed to find an open man or set up somebody. Cj is one of the best shooting guards in the game and might have some better percentages than dame but overall dame takes this. I can't believe we are even back to discussing this. When dame comes out of games we lose leads, he was carrying us hard when cj was cold for the first 5 or 6 games. Hasn't been as hot since but still is a bigger impact and averaging 28 last time I checked

 

[chzbrgr]

Its a toss up night in night out in my opinion. I LOVE CJ his game is magnificent and efficient (Clyde Frazier voice). He's less predictable than dame on offense I will give him that.

 

[Strenuus]

Its a toss up night in night out in my opinion. I LOVE CJ his game is magnificent and efficient (Clyde Frazier voice). He's less predictable than dame on offense I will give him that.

I'd beg to differ... you almost never know when (or where) Dame is going to shoot from... his hesitations and quick first steps often fool the first man and he can take it to the rack or shoot it from 40 feet... I'd say that's unpredictable.

 

[Strenuus]

Dame is a nice player. He's better in the eye test this year as well. But I also think Dame is overrated. You give Cj his own team he's just as good or better than Dame.

Cj is super efficient and that's my favorite part about his game

Okay, now I'm fully on board with trading CJ... we know where Tunchi would go!

 

[chzbrgr]

I'd beg to differ... you almost never know when (or where) Dame is going to shoot from... his hesitations and quick first steps often fool the first man and he can take it to the rack or shoot it from 40 feet... I'd say that's unpredictable.

Yeah but when he does that stutter dribble past 25 feet you KNOW what he's going to do just not much you can do about it he's gunna pull up or blow past you with the quickness. It's the difference between having a couple go-to (essentially) unstoppable moves and a myriad of really really good moves. Dame just doesnt have the repertoire of moves or ball handling ability CJ does.

Dame is more athletic/quicker
CJ is more crafty/better shooter

Thats the only difference between them far as I can tell

 

[KingSpeed]

Nothing quiet about it. I've been saying CJ is better than Dame which is why I don't want to trade or bench CJ.

 

[KingSpeed]

Well last time I checked CJ doesmg have the best defenders of the opposing team on him on some nights. Clipppers always play moute on dame. Last night, ariza covered dame most of the night with a mix of Patrick Beverley and Brewer. I get what you're saying numbers wise but you also have to take into account who they are being guarded by. Love cj but I also have seen him in garbage time look for his own shots so much as opposed to find an open man or set up somebody. Cj is one of the best shooting guards in the game and might have some better percentages than dame but overall dame takes this. I can't believe we are even back to discussing this. When dame comes out of games we lose leads, he was carrying us hard when cj was cold for the first 5 or 6 games. Hasn't been as hot since but still is a bigger impact and averaging 28 last time I checked

CJ has more moves. CJ is a better open three point shooter.

 

[Tunchi]

Nothing quiet about it. I've been saying CJ is better than Dame which is why I don't want to trade or bench CJ.

Hell yea he is

 

[illmatic99]

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He wasn't this bad with Wes/Nic/Rolo behind him.

It's hard to hide Dame's bad defense in this lineup. That's part of the reason why people bring up CJ trades.

 

[Tunchi]

He wasn't this bad with Wes/Nic/Rolo behind him.

It's hard to hide Dame's bad defense in this lineup. That's part of the reason why people bring up CJ trades.

That's fair

 

[Pinwheel1]

No offense to the OP, because the topic is somewhat interesting. But at the same time I absolutely hate every time this subject comes up. Their individual competitiveness is enough to make them both want to get better, but to hear about it or read about the comparisons could eventually cause issues between the two. And you know the debates get back to them. Not necessarily from this forum, but when you include radio, TV, internet.......

Personally I don't care who is playing better at a specific time. I like them both on this team, and we need them both.

 

[gatorpops]

Even Turner is making CJ better of late as he is setting him up and running the PG instead of CJ. This is helping now and will get better going forward IMO.
Evans defense also is covering for CJ woefull defense.

 

[KingSpeed]

No offense to the OP, because the topic is somewhat interesting. But at the same time I absolutely hate every time this subject comes up. Their individual competitiveness is enough to make them both want to get better, but to hear about it or read about the comparisons could eventually cause issues between the two. And you know the debates get back to them. Not necessarily from this forum, but when you include radio, TV, internet.......

Personally I don't care who is playing better at a specific time. I like them both on this team, and we need them both.

Good point. The season before Aldridge left, people here were debating whose team it is. And then Aldridge left because he didn't like the answer.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Good point. The season before Aldridge left, people here were debating whose team it is. And then Aldridge left because he didn't like the answer.

I highyly doubt thats a real concern though. Not for these two. they are buds off the court. LMA had no friends.

 

[Strenuus]

I highyly doubt thats a real concern though. Not for these two. they are buds off the court. LMA had no friends.

That's a lie. He had a friend.

It was the plane he took back home by himself. Don't deny him that friendship.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Hey, Larry Bird hated Kevin McHale...

 

[Cippy91]

No offense to the OP, because the topic is somewhat interesting. But at the same time I absolutely hate every time this subject comes up. Their individual competitiveness is enough to make them both want to get better, but to hear about it or read about the comparisons could eventually cause issues between the two. And you know the debates get back to them. Not necessarily from this forum, but when you include radio, TV, internet.......

Personally I don't care who is playing better at a specific time. I like them both on this team, and we need them both.

Exactly. I don't get why this topic even comes out. Who cares who is better, they are on the same team. This topic only comes about when people think Dame is playing bad and it's ridiculous, happened last season multiple times

 

[Tunchi]

Exactly. I don't get why this topic even comes out. Who cares who is better, they are on the same team. This topic only comes about when people think Dame is playing bad and it's ridiculous, happened last season multiple times

No becuase ppl talk about trading the better player

 

[Boob-No-More]

No becuase ppl talk about trading the better player

This board is so bi-polar.

Half the people think C.J. is better than Dame. The other half think we should trade C.J.

And then there are those who think Crabbe should be starting instead of C.J. ...

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

This board is so bi-polar.

Half the people think C.J. is better than Dame. The other half think we should trade C.J.

And then there are those who think Crabbe should be starting instead of C.J. ...

BNM

Extreme diversity in opinions, no doubt about it, but I just laughed out loud when I thought about the opinions spanning such a horizon I had to do a 360°. Lol

 

[Boob-No-More]

Extreme diversity in opinions, no doubt about it, but I just laughed out loud when I thought about the opinions spanning such a horizon I had to do a 360°. Lol

And then there are us who think Dame is better, but C.J. is still a very, very good player and we're lucky to have him on our team.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

And then there are us who think Dame is better, but C.J. is still a very, very good player and we're lucky to have him on our team.

BNM

That's where I am at and I will take it a step further. we are very lucky to have him on our team because he may end up being the corner stone of the trade that puts us over the top.