Clyde 2nd best SG since 77-78 season?

[FeloniusThunk]

Dave Berri (Wages of Wins author) has a brief but interesting article showing the 50 best statistical seasons SGs have had since 77-78 at http://dberri.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/kobe-makes-pau-gasol-unhappy/. His stat is similar to PER, but doesn't reward bad shooters as much. Don't read it if you don't like stats (or are a big Kobe fan), but if you do, you'll appreciate seeing Clyde (and Fat Lever) show up so much.

 

[ehizzy3]

i never got to watch clyde, but i think kobe is better

 

[chris_in_pdx]

i never got to watch clyde, but i think kobe is better

apples and oranges. Different times, different games. Clyde is a Hall of Famer, and Kobe is a rapist.

 

[ehizzy3]

apples and oranges. Different times, different games. Clyde is a Hall of Famer, and Kobe is a future first ballot hall of famer.

true

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Listen, son, don't be modifying my posts. And take the rapist's penis out of your mouth, you've got some pubes in your teeth.

 

[maxiep]

Glide had two problems that caused him to be underrated. First, he played in the boondocks of the NBA for his first 11 1/2 years. Second, Michael Jordan.

 

[ehizzy3]

Listen, son, don't be modifying my posts. And take this penis out of my mouth, i've got some pubes in my teeth.

lmfao

 

[BlazerBeav]

i never got to watch clyde, but i think kobe is better

Then why offer your admittedly uninformed opinion? If you never got to watch Clyde, then you missed out.

 

[STOMP]

i never got to watch clyde, but i think kobe is better

many of us have an informed opinion, but thanks for weighing in with your imaginary 2 cents

STOMP

 

[Minstrel]

I think Drexler and Kobe (and Pippen, actually, even if he wasn't a shooting guard) were all pretty similarly great players. In the top 20-25 players of all-time range.

 

[ehizzy3]

many of us have an informed opinion, but thanks for weighing in with your imaginary 2 cents

STOMP

yes very imaginary.....can you tell me something clyde did better than kobe? rebounding? is that it?

 

[ehizzy3]

I think Drexler and Kobe (and Pippen, actually, even if he wasn't a shooting guard) were all pretty similarly great players. In the top 20-25 players of all-time range.

kobe is top 10. and i hate him

 

[chris_in_pdx]

can you tell me something clyde did better than kobe?

Treat women?

 

[ehizzy3]

Treat women?

lmao, so thats it?? nothing on the court?

/thread

 

[chris_in_pdx]

lmao, so thats it?? nothing on the court?

There's lots of things more important than playing basketball, son.

 

[ehizzy3]

There's lots of things more important than playing basketball, son.

okay...but we are talking about basketball, grandpa chris

 

[Minstrel]

kobe is top 10. and i hate him

I don't agree. And Kobe is one of my favourite players in the league.

I wouldn't put him ahead of any of Jordan, Chamberlain, Olajuwon, Abdul-Jabbar, Robertson, Magic, Bird, Russell, either Karl or Moses Malone, Duncan, West, Garnett or Robinson.

So the very highest I would rank him is 15th. Then there are debatables.

 

[STOMP]

kobe is top 10. and i hate him

do you realize how silly you sound? Being young has it's advantages, but perspective isn't one of them.

STOMP

 

[ehizzy3]

I don't agree. And Kobe is one of my favourite players in the league.

I wouldn't put him ahead of any of Jordan, Chamberlain, Olajuwon, Abdul-Jabbar, Robertson, Magic, Bird, Russell, either Karl or Moses Malone, Duncan, West, Garnett or Robinson.

So the very highest I would rank him is 15th. Then there are debatables.

its all opinion but youd really take garnett over kobe???

 

[ehizzy3]

do you realize how silly you sound? Being young has it's advantages, but perspective isn't one of them.

STOMP

no i dont think i do...whats your top 10? am i wrong for saying kobe is better than clyde? nobody mentioned something he did better than kobe

edit:for me being so silly and not having an informed opinion..you guys are doing a bad job of proving me wrong(kobe vs clyde)

 

[chris_in_pdx]

okay...but we are talking about basketball, grandpa chris

To be honest, there are some things that trump anything a person can do on the basketball court or athletics in general. I think Kobe Bryant is a phenom player and probably one of the fiercest competitors ever to don an NBA uniform, but there's that "Tiger Woods" quality of him that he's above and seperate from the people around him and that he expects respect and devotion from those underneath him and then gives none in return that disqualifies him in my mind from deserving any of the on-court honors that he thinks that he's earned.

 

[Minstrel]

its all opinion but youd really take garnett over kobe???

In their respective primes? Absolutely. Garnett was just as productive and one of the greatest defenders ever. Garnett is stunningly underrated, due to playing for terrible teams in Minnesota that he, virtually alone, pulled into the playoffs. I think Garnett and Duncan were virtual equals in value.

 

[ehizzy3]

In their respective primes? Absolutely. Garnett was just as productive and one of the greatest defenders ever. Garnett is stunningly underrated, due to playing for terrible teams in Minnesota that he, virtually alone, pulled into the playoffs. I think Garnett and Duncan were virtual equals in value.

good points. you never hear garnett in a conversation of the top 10-15..i'd still take kobe over him but garnett did have some terrible teams.

 

[Cake]

i never got to watch clyde, but i think kobe is better

*edited*

 

[ehizzy3]

*edited*

prove me wrong, *edited*

 

[Cake]

am i wrong for saying kobe is better than clyde? nobody mentioned something he did better than kobe

edit:for me being so silly and not having an informed opinion..you guys are doing a bad job of proving me wrong(kobe vs clyde)

Things Clyde did better than Kobe: rebounding, passing, defense, fg%, not raping women, etc...

 

[Cake]

prove me wrong, *edited*

What's the ***? I don't get it? Whatever. I don't care.

Your POV is moronic. You never saw Clyde play, yet you want people to 'prove' that he was better than Kobe is? That's basically imposssible to do. Kobe is a scorer. And a wonderful scorer at that. He's a better scorer than Clyde wanted to be. So if scoring is the sole measure of how you judge a basketball player, then you can't possibly be convinced that Kobe is a sham compared to Clyde. Scoring is easily the most overrated statistic used to measure basketball players.

I have watched both of them play, in person. Many, many times. Clyde's game was much more varied and much, much more efficient. Bryant is excellent at getting to the rim. So was Clyde. But Clyde did the same things Kryant does, on like 8 fewer shots per game. Oh, and he added better rebounding, defense and passing to boot.

 

[STOMP]

no i dont think i do...whats your top 10? am i wrong for saying kobe is better than clyde? nobody mentioned something he did better than kobe

Min's list is a good start on an all-time best guess (I'd add James)... but then I'm only 42 and didn't get to see West, Oscar, Wilt, Russell, Barry (but for one year), Baylor, Cousy, and probably a few others worthy of mentioning. I wouldn't weigh in on such a list when I know that my opinion on those guys is worthless... and you've got a much longer list of unknowns

Since you asked, Clyde was a better run/jump athlete. Kobe has a better jumper, but Clyde was the man on the break/open court. Dude drove and dunked on everyone all game. If he'd enjoyed the advantages of being a marketable Laker instead of being behind the numbers in Portland... geez how many extra FTs is that worth over a career?

Greatness is dependent on how you define it. This statistical query rated single season production towards wins, which is a stat that is effected by having quality teammates. If one places a high value on championships then you come up with a different list even though that is also dependent on the quality of teammates. If it's straight subjectivity of who's game impressed you the most then lots of different factors can matter, but it sure helps to have seen the guy actually play.

STOMP

 

[ehizzy3]

Things Clyde did better than Kobe: rebounding, passing, defense, fg%, not raping women, etc...

rebounding and passing yeah.....defense? hahahaha kobe has been named to the nba all defensive team 7 times(and second team twice). guess how many for clyde? fg% okay i guess, but guess whos true shooting percentage is better?


oh yeah. he has a finals mvp award too. not to shabby

 

[Cake]

rebounding and passing yeah.....defense? hahahaha kobe has been named to the nba all defensive team 7 times(and second team twice). guess how many for clyde? fg% okay i guess, but guess whos true shooting percentage is better?

oh yeah. he has a finals mvp award too. not to shabby

Guess what doesn't matter when it comes to basketball skill? Awards.

Steve Nash has 2 MVP awards. Has he EVER been the best player in the league? Nope. Not even close.

Kobe is an solid defender. Clyde was better. More steals. More blocks. Better defensive rating.

Since you admit you've never seen him play, I'll take it that you'll admit that you have no clue what you're talking about.