Coaching Candidates - Post-Chauney

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barfo said:
Qyntel Woods?

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BankTeller said:
Is he just a name? Lol. I don’t see any coaching history. Saw he was drafted by us in ‘02 though, so I’m left to assume he’d just be a familar face to older Blazers fans?

Well I’m too young to know who he is, so he could be as raw at coaching as Chauncey, but he’s wasn’t as well known as a player? Yeah, I’m not jumping up and down about this lol.
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Co sign on Woods. We would never worry about having a dog in the fight. Bernie Madoff can handle finances. No need to Google if you have not heard of Bernie either.
 
BankTeller said:
So…a bunch of conjecture? Gotcha. This claim seems incredibly baseless, with all due respect.

You’re speaking strictly of the Chauncey hire. Fine, whatever. It’s over and done with. But Stotts was not a bad hire. We had an AS PF and Stotts recently won a championship with a AS PF that played similarly to Aldridge. The idea behind it was very reasonable.

For the record, I see waaaayy too much Cronin dick riding on this forum for me to think that many of you guys actually think we’re mismanaged. It has nothing to do with why elite coaches wouldn’t want to come here. Elite coaches don’t want to coach bad teams. Young coaches that have proved nothing still have that fire even when their team sucks because they haven’t proved anything. Elite coaches who have gone through that rarely have the patience because unless you were handed a ready-to-compete team like Tyron Lue, Nick Nurse, Ime Udoka, you’ve already gone through that losing period earlier in your career. I suspect someone like Michael Malone will likely never coach a bad team again. Even if he were fired by the Nuggets one day, the team that hires him will be a playoff team hoping his championship experience puts them over the top.

It’s like the real world. Anyone new in the work force will take whatever comes their way. Anyone who’s proven anything in their career will have much more options after 5-10 years experience.
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  1. We agree Stotts wasn't a bad hire - different ownership and the franchise as a whole over the previous 10-15 years was fairly strong
  2. I don't know who "you guys" is and if you think I'm too high or too low on Cronin. I don't think Cronin will be the reason for a bad/great coaching hire, I think it's above him.
  3. Your theory about what types of jobs coaches would take is no less conjecture than my theory, though it appears we have some overlap in our conjecture
  4. If the goal is to get a young, unproven coach, with no real experience to turn this thing around, yeah I think there are tons of under-qualified people to fill the job. Filling the job with someone who was under-qualified was my concern last time and continues to be my concern moving forward until the roster is improved and ownership has proven they are willing to support/spend to build a winner.
 
This team feels like it's just a transition team.

Jerami will be gone soon, and Brogdon too, and maybe even Ant. No need to fire and pay Chauncey (as much as I agree with it.) Let him run another year, get the next "real" team here, and then lets get the right coach who will be poised to run and polish a team of young, hungry studs.
 
Tince said:
I don't know who "you guys" is and if you think I'm too high or too low on Cronin. I don't think Cronin will be the reason for a bad/great coaching hire, I think it's above him.
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I wasn’t speaking directly to you, I was addressing whoever would be reading my reply. You definitely know who “you guys” is, plenty of guys have used “dealt a bad hand” as an overplayed excuse for the Clips deal. It’s over and done with, I’m not upset at it or anything, but there was so much Olshey hate that it overcorrected to Cronin love, imo. You think Jody will have more of say on the coaching decision as opposed to Cronin? GOOD GOD DO NOT let that happen. I don’t know how I could stomach that unless she does the unexpected and picks up an up and coming analytics guys.

Tince said:
If the goal is to get a young, unproven coach, with no real experience to turn this thing around, yeah I think there are tons of under-qualified people to fill the job. Filling the job with someone who was under-qualified was my concern last time and continues to be my concern moving forward until the roster is improved and ownership has proven they are willing to support/spend to build a winner.
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Well what makes someone under-qualified? Jordi, we have a roadmap of where he’s been. David Adelman, same thing. Do you specific want someone with coaching success? Again, I’m just not sure how you get one of those guys with a bad team. Do you have some names in mind?

Tince said:
Your theory about what types of jobs coaches would take is no less conjecture than my theory, though it appears we have some overlap in our conjecture
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I’d say that my theory isn’t baseless though. Udoka went to a team that basically said they were willing to accelerate the rebuild by buying up some of those vets in FA. Nurse went to a team with the MVP. Vogel went to the all-in Suns. Meanwhile…the only reason Monty even decided to take the job after telling the Pistons no was because the Pistons game him more money. Those are my reasons for what I said regarding coaching.

Do you have reasons as to why you think that we reputation-ally would be at a disadvantage in finding our next coach? You didn’t name any reasons, you kind of just said it with no points, so I’m only left to assume it was because of the Chauncey hire and using Becky Hammond as a name to push out there with no intention to hire. <— I don’t actually agree with this statement, but people have said that.
 
Tince said:
I don't think Altman would like the NBA and I don't think NBA players would respond well to Altman.
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Agreed. Coaching college students is different than coaching men, and even then, I’m always going to bring up the age because it actually is a point of contention. An old timer who’s spent his whole life being able to coach college players like college players, I have no idea how he’d be able to adapt to coaching grown men that way.

I’d have better reason to look into Callipari, and he was a bad coach at the pro level too.
 
Stevenson said:
This team feels like it's just a transition team.

Jerami will be gone soon, and Brogdon too, and maybe even Ant. No need to fire and pay Chauncey (as much as I agree with it.) Let him run another year, get the next "real" team here, and then lets get the right coach who will be poised to run and polish a team of young, hungry studs.
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I agree the need to let him go isn’t immediate. This was more of “if the right candidate came along”, and I thought Jordi’s name was enough of an exciting name (to me, at least) to actually think about it.
 
BankTeller said:
I wasn’t speaking directly to you, I was addressing whoever would be reading my reply. You definitely know who “you guys” is, plenty of guys have used “dealt a bad hand” as an overplayed excuse for the Clips deal. It’s over and done with, I’m not upset at it or anything, but there was so much Olshey hate that it overcorrected to Cronin love, imo. You think Jody will have more of say on the coaching decision as opposed to Cronin? GOOD GOD DO NOT let that happen. I don’t know how I could stomach that unless she does the unexpected and picks up an up and coming analytics guys.


Well what makes someone under-qualified? Jordi, we have a roadmap of where he’s been. David Adelman, same thing. Do you specific want someone with coaching success? Again, I’m just not sure how you get one of those guys with a bad team. Do you have some names in mind?


I’d say that my theory isn’t baseless though. Udoka went to a team that basically said they were willing to accelerate the rebuild by buying up some of those vets in FA. Nurse went to a team with the MVP. Vogel went to the all-in Suns. Meanwhile…the only reason Monty even decided to take the job after telling the Pistons no was because the Pistons game him more money. Those are my reasons for what I said regarding coaching.

Do you have reasons as to why you think that we reputation-ally would be at a disadvantage in finding our next coach? You didn’t name any reasons, you kind of just said it with no points, so I’m only left to assume it was because of the Chauncey hire and using Becky Hammond as a name to push out there with no intention to hire. <— I don’t actually agree with this statement, but people have said that.
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  1. I think ownership/Vulcans will have ultimate say on the coaching outcome because they're the ones who have to cut the check and prove support
  2. I think Billups was under-qualified for the job due to a lack of experience and clear strength he brought to the table. I would prefer someone with proven success and/or a unique skill that they brought to the table. I don't have realistic names in mind given the current ownership and roster make up that I think would be good hires and would be willing to come to Portland.
  3. I don't think your theory was any more or less baseless than mine. I think Udoka's hiring is unique because he was willing to come on at a discount because of what happened with him off the court in Boston. Nurse/Vogel went to teams with vets who can win (we don't have that). Monty took the Detroit job because of money, something I don't see ownership giving up. I think we agree obtaining a proven coach is unlikely under the current setup, which is my concern.
  4. I did give a few reasons for why I think we'd have a hard time finding a proven coach, but I'm happy to say it again. Ownership being new, unproven, no resume of willing to spend for a winner could very much be a turnoff. The roster itself is fairly weak, offering minimal upside. A top assistant may want to wait until a good opening (see Darvin Ham waiting for the Lakers job) as to not crash in burn and never get another attempt. Cronin has yet to show he's got a deep roladex of quality coaches that believe in his ability and vision to build a winner with them. I think Olshey wasn't loved by many either and was beholden to only hiring within his agents clients. I'm not sure if Cronin has the resume or backbone to not play the game to go get the best guy.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
ChatGPT for coach!
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I think this was a joke, but if you could get a coach who had a way of using ML-AI to analyze the first half of a game and make recommendations for the second half I think it would be amazing.
 
MickZagger said:
I like Adelman. He’s been Malone’s lead assistant going on 2 years and is kinda like our Jonah Herscu. Constantly pulling the head coach aside and bringing something to his attention
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Adelman interviewing for Lakers gig
 
Jim Moran should be considered. I like his enthusiasm and ability to motivate and inspire players. He's as ready as any of the younger dudes out there.
 
Didn't the Hornets just hire the Celtics lead assistant? Seems like a good candidate.
 
I'm not going to peruse new head coaches. Billups is locked into this franchise until Cronin gets replaced. With Joe doing "such a wonderful job", (last place Western Conference, viewership numbers plummeting, and using hit men in the media to attack Blazer fans) then Chauncey has already exceeded all expectations.
 
wizenheimer said:
how long does Billups have left on his contract?
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officially 2 years, with 2nd season a "team option". The basketball is quite often soo bad in Portland, i believe Cronin & Jody plan to kidnap Billups. His team option might get turned into a 4 year deal.
 
can a new coach do this ??
if not... take a hike



should have counted... before challenges
 
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