Collins

[1 Eye Jack]

A guy who could make a huge impact on team next year is Zach. He has a lot of the skill sets we were missing last year in the playoffs. I know he has to stay healthy but assuming he does he’ll be a nice addition without loosing any assets.

Another note think Melo’s time should come to an end here unless it comes in a limited role.

 

[Duckhook]

It seems like we're saying this about Collins every off-season... "if we only had Collins in the playoffs," "He'll be a huge addition without spending additional salary next season..."

...rinse, repeat...

This thread should be pinned so we don't keep making new ones every 6 months.

 

[Hoopguru]

It seems like we're saying this about Collins every off-season... "if we only had Collins in the playoffs," "He'll be a huge addition without spending additional salary next season..."

...rinse, repeat...

This thread should be pinned so we don't keep making new ones every 6 months.

it is what it is man...he's been hurt we all know that so lets see what he does if he's on the team. His value is minimal now.

 

[Scalma]

I can’t wait until he’s back he’s a baller and gives us an edge.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Per 36 in the last year he played he gave us 10/9/.6 bpg with a PER of 9 and a bpm of -3.1

I chose this season because while he only played 11 games, he played way more minutes per game than previous years.

which skill set were we missing exactly?

 

[1 Eye Jack]

It seems like we're saying this about Collins every off-season... "if we only had Collins in the playoffs," "He'll be a huge addition without spending additional salary next season..."

...rinse, repeat...

This thread should be pinned so we don't keep making new ones every 6 months.

I deserve the response and new it was coming. Here’s my take he’s low risk high reward. If he doesn’t work out or is injured then so what didn’t cost us but…….,… there is that possibility he gets healthy and we finally get to see his upside. Just saying he’s a wild card and I love wild cards

 

[James lamphear]

It seems like we're saying this about Collins every off-season... "if we only had Collins in the playoffs," "He'll be a huge addition without spending additional salary next season..."

...rinse, repeat...

This thread should be pinned so we don't keep making new ones every 6 months.

He was one of the reasons we got pass Denver 2 years ago.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Any player can get hurt - but when a player (particularly as young as Collins) breaks down repeatedly over a short period they are most probably a wasted investment.

 

[wizenheimer]

ah yes...potential...Zach's got potential. Even though he'll be 24 next season, we're talking about his potential

does anybody really think Zach is a PF in the modern NBA? He does not have the defensive mobility to guard all of the SF's masquerading as PF's these days. That's a main reason he was so often in foul trouble.

RoCo is a better player than Zach, and he's a better PF. Zach seems best suited to be a backup C, and a situational PF....assuming he can stay healthy

 

[riverman]

Zach is like a 3 year old car with 300 miles on it....had to repair the running gear ...now you hope the kinks are ironed out but with this kid it's not the years, it's the low miles.

 

[blazerkor]

Zach is like a 3 year old car with 300 miles on it....had to repair the running gear ...now you hope the kinks are ironed out but with this kid it's not the years, it's the low miles.

He might have low mileage but he's banged up. It's not a good sign when a car... no matter how new, keeps breaking down.

 

[GDiama]

Can't wait for him to sign 60m/4 years just for the potential

 

[blazerkor]

Can't wait for him to sign 60m/4 years just for the potential

I would almost guarantee that he'll tender the QO, let Zach shop himself and just like Meyers when Zach doesn't get a legit offer Olshey will gift him 30M over three years.

 

[GDiama]

I would almost guarantee that he'll tender the QO, let Zach shop himself and just like Meyers when Zach doesn't get a legit offer Olshey will gift him 30M over three years.

That one was amazing.

-Meyers get 40M/4y, you will be a starter now and we believe in you
-No i ll gamble on myself
Meyers plays like shit all year
-Good job Meyers now you get 41M/4y. Doesn't matter you showed no promise.

 

[James lamphear]

Any player can get hurt - but when a player (particularly as young as Collins) breaks down repeatedly over a short period they are most probably a wasted investment.

Things happens there a lot players gets hurt. There can't play for awhile but when your young enough you still have a chance to come back. Just because Zach plays for us don't mean he can't come back and help us next year.

 

[julius]

I thought Zach's 2nd surgery on his ankle wasn't because he's injury prone as much as it wasn't fixed right the first time?

 

[James lamphear]

ah yes...potential...Zach's got potential. Even though he'll be 24 next season, we're talking about his potential

does anybody really think Zach is a PF in the modern NBA? He does not have the defensive mobility to guard all of the SF's masquerading as PF's these days. That's a main reason he was so often in foul trouble.

RoCo is a better player than Zach, and he's a better PF. Zach seems best suited to be a backup C, and a situational PF....assuming he can stay healthy

Another guy really don't know what there talking about. He gets in foul trouble because trying protect the rim due our premeter defense so bad. I have seen stay in in front Westbrook and Morant does he get best occasionally sure who don't but also see him get beat he actually gets back in the play. Does he get score on sure who doesn't but if you saying he can't guard other power forwards it's tell you actually havent been paying attention how he plays. Yes I big on Zach because he actually some idea how to play defense on this team. Plus he has accepted his role on this team that's actually has help go to WCF 2 years ago.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

First we don't know what his contract will be, you keep him for the qualifying offer, but you don't match more years if another team signs him.

You can't count on Collins for anything next year; if he ends up producing that is great. He can take the Harry Giles role and if he gets healthy while producing steps up to Enes Kanters reserve/emergency starter spot. But there needs to be other options if he misses part of or the whole year.

I agree that he is not a full time PF. The position is too fast these days. Its crazy to think but the game is soo much higher scoring and fast than when he was drafted just 5 years ago. Collins can play PF with a few lineups and play C with other lineups.

I'm more interested in Simons, Little, and whoever we get for the MLE getting playing time next season.

 

[julius]

Another guy really don't know what there talking about. He gets in foul trouble because trying protect the rim due our premeter defense so bad. I have seen stay in in front Westbrook and Morant does he get best occasionally sure who don't but also see him get beat he actually gets back in the play. Does he get score on sure who doesn't but if you saying he can't guard other power forwards it's tell you actually havent been paying attention how he plays. Yes I big on Zach because he actually some idea how to play defense on this team. Plus he has accepted his role on this team that's actually has help go to WCF 2 years ago.

While I am in the party that thinks Speed is way over-stating the impact that missing Zach has had on the team, I think a lot of people are combining two different issues here.

Zach, if anything, was a very high IQ player, with surprisingly quick feet and hands. Did he make rookie level mistakes? Yeah (but I suspect some of that is reputation based. I.e., he's young, unknown and a big goofy white kid). But the guy also made a lot of quick decision blocks and smart choices that were really lacking on this years team.

But at the same time, he's missed basically the last 2 seasons. So it's understandable why people are a little leery of supporting him, etc., especially considering the absolute waste of a career that Meyers Lemon had.

I think Zach, assuming he has his injury issues behind him, definitely has a role on the team. Could be a starter, could be a the backup PF/C (I'd take his defense with his offensive skills over Kanters offensive skills and lack of defense awareness/effort).

He's not a slow, plodding player. I just hope his injury issues are a thing of the past.

I'd rather have Dame, Powell, Roco, (healthy) Collins and Nurk as the starting 5 next year, with a backup PG, Ant, Little/Jones and Kanter as the backup C.

Hopefully the backup PG is who they trade CJ for (+ picks...hey, a guy can dream).

 

[MickZagger]

Rim protectors are a valued commodity when your guards suck ass at defense.

 

[craigehlo]

Zach never had much hops, was foul prone, lacked a consistent jumper and was constantly stifled at the rim by opposing defenders. He's a backup at best for a team with an aspirations of going deep in the playoffs..

 

[SharpesTriumph]

While I am in the party that thinks Speed is way over-stating the impact that missing Zach has had on the team, I think a lot of people are combining two different issues here.

Zach, if anything, was a very high IQ player, with surprisingly quick feet and hands. Did he make rookie level mistakes? Yeah (but I suspect some of that is reputation based. I.e., he's young, unknown and a big goofy white kid). But the guy also made a lot of quick decision blocks and smart choices that were really lacking on this years team.

But at the same time, he's missed basically the last 2 seasons. So it's understandable why people are a little leery of supporting him, etc., especially considering the absolute waste of a career that Meyers Lemon had.

I think Zach, assuming he has his injury issues behind him, definitely has a role on the team. Could be a starter, could be a the backup PF/C (I'd take his defense with his offensive skills over Kanters offensive skills and lack of defense awareness/effort).

He's not a slow, plodding player. I just hope his injury issues are a thing of the past.

I'd rather have Dame, Powell, Roco, (healthy) Collins and Nurk as the starting 5 next year, with a backup PG, Ant, Little/Jones and Kanter as the backup C.

Hopefully the backup PG is who they trade CJ for (+ picks...hey, a guy can dream).

I don't disagree with much of what you said, except the starting lineup at the bottom. The Blazers need a more dependable option as a starting forward. Zach can take a roster spot and be a wild card for the year, but he can't be slotted to fill in a starting or key reserve spot.

Ant has earned the 6th man spot. I hope Powell is back as a starter. Roco and Nurk are likely back. Kanter is fine as an 11th man on a veteran minimum deal. Hopefully Little improves and earns a role but like Zach he can't be depended on for a role. Maybe DJJ improves to a full season bench role or is just injury backup.

So something such as cut Melo, trade CJ for the best forward help you can get, sign a 3+D MLE player, and sign a BAE backup PG.

 

[wizenheimer]

That one was amazing.

-Meyers get 40M/4y, you will be a starter now and we believe in you
-No i ll gamble on myself
Meyers plays like shit all year
-Good job Meyers now you get 41M/4y. Doesn't matter you showed no promise.

Jason Quick implied the first contract offer to Meyers was 15M/year. He followed that up the follwing summer by saying the 2nd contract offer to Meyers was a "bargain" compared to the 1st contract offer. So, likely, 4-year/60M....yeeeeeeesh

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Jason Quick implied the first contract offer to Meyers was 15M/year. He followed that up the follwing summer by saying the 2nd contract offer to Meyers was a "bargain" compared to the 1st contract offer. So, likely, 4-year/60M....yeeeeeeesh

Casey Hodhahl said the 4/40 was similar to an extenson he was offered because he is a 50 40 90 big.

 

[julius]

I don't disagree with much of what you said, except the starting lineup at the bottom. The Blazers need a more dependable option as a starting forward. Zach can take a roster spot and be a wild card for the year, but he can't be slotted to fill in a starting or key reserve spot.

Ant has earned the 6th man spot. I hope Powell is back as a starter. Roco and Nurk are likely back. Kanter is fine as an 11th man on a veteran minimum deal. Hopefully Little improves and earns a role but like Zach he can't be depended on for a role. Maybe DJJ improves to a full season bench role or is just injury backup.

So something such as cut Melo, trade CJ for the best forward help you can get, sign a 3+D MLE player, and sign a BAE backup PG.

I'm fine with him not starting, but my starting him was only if his injury issues are behind him.

 

[riverman]

He might have low mileage but he's banged up. It's not a good sign when a car... no matter how new, keeps breaking down.

I got a super deal on my son's old Nissan Xterra when it had a broken motor mount and needed front shocks...it's run problem free for years since fixing....there's always hope because I haven't heard about Zach having setbacks and he's waited a full season to make sure he doesn't have another setback....CJ had foot problems in college and his first two years with the Blazers....a guy like Zach is 24...you can just pretend he was a 4 year college guy who just got drafted actually....and he's not going to be expensive now....I don't see the downside to bringing him back next season and giving him a two year deal with a team option second year...Zach can play ...he just couldn't stay out of foul trouble so I hope a good big man coach can correct that

 

[James lamphear]

Zach fits a role either as a starter or coming off the bench it's what needs him to be but it should be a major role. His offense role might get bigger with a different coach. Yes hopefully he getting stronger so he be more effective around the rim and maybe they will hire big man coach that will him and the rest the bigs can benefit.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Does anyone here seriously doubt that Olshey will hand Collins a Leonard style albatross contract? It's just the way he rolls.

 

[riverman]

Does anyone here seriously doubt that Olshey will hand Collins a Leonard style albatross contract? It's just the way he rolls.

I do....at best I see him getting a low range 2 year deal with a team option 2nd year...look at the deal Neil cut with Nurk....Enes....Melo...the days of Meyers Leonard overpays are long in the rearview mirror in my view.

 

[MickZagger]

I would take a healthy Collins’ shot blocking over Kanters offensive rebounding. Rim protectors are truly one of the most underrated aspects of the NBA game