Couple of Nice Games by Frye Lately

[oldguy]

I'd love to see Channing come on at the end of the season, like he did last year. Lord knows, we're going to need him if Greg is down for a while.

 

[handiman]

Re: Couple of Nice Games by Fry Lately

Maybe the pre-season injury that he rushed back from ahead of schedule set him back more than we gave him credit for?

 

[julius]

Re: Couple of Nice Games by Fry Lately

Maybe the pre-season injury that he rushed back from ahead of schedule set him back more than we gave him credit for?

No, these guys are robots. If they aren't back 100% the second they set foot on the floor, they're bums. Bums who are dumb, lazy, pot smoking drunks who have their priorities completely backwards (and sleep with any woman who gives them the time of day. Even old grannies).

 

[Nikolokolus]

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Yeah I've been really pleased with him, he's really elevated his play, which is great for the team and makes me happy for him -- he needs a good stretch in the next month and a half with his contract coming up. Unfortunately I still think he's a bad fit for this team as a backup, the guy is clearly one of those types that needs ample playing time to be effective and isn't well suited to coming in off the bench as an energy guy or hustle guy in short bursts and he duplicates too much of what LaMarcus gives us.

 

[crowTrobot]

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[BalancedMan]

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Damn, beat me to it.

 

[B-Roy]

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It's pretty clear that he needs consistent minutes to be effective. It's a shame, because he can really be an effective player, but there's no room for him with a healthy roster.

 

[maxiep]

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Yeah I've been really pleased with him, he's really elevated his play, which is great for the team and makes me happy for him -- he needs a good stretch in the next month and a half with his contract coming up. Unfortunately I still think he's a bad fit for this team as a backup, the guy is clearly one of those types that needs ample playing time to be effective and isn't well suited to coming in off the bench as an energy guy or hustle guy in short bursts and he duplicates too much of what LaMarcus gives us.

I think that Channing is a better backup four than in TO. And in a four player rotation, he'll get plenty of minutes. When he's gotten those minutes and been healthy, he's been effective. I think he pairs well with Przy. We have two sets of outside/inside 4/5's-LMA and GO and Przy and Channing.

He'll get a better offer elsewhere, so I don't expect him to stay.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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I think that Channing is a better backup four than in TO. And in a four player rotation, he'll get plenty of minutes. When he's gotten those minutes and been healthy, he's been effective. I think he pairs well with Przy. We have two sets of outside/inside 4/5's-LMA and GO and Przy and Channing.

He'll get a better offer elsewhere, so I don't expect him to stay.

Actually you make some really good points. Channing is a better backup 4 than Trav and he can also play the 5 in a pinch. My main point is that he probably needs 15 or so minutes minimum per game to be effective as a rhythm jump shooter; assuming Greg gets healthy, there are going to be precious few backup minutes available with LMA getting about 36 per game and the center position being manned by our two center tandem.

As for offers I would guess he'll get something in the neighborhood of 1.5-3 million from some team that has need of a backup 4 who can spread the floor a little bit with an outside shot, Charlotte springs to mind; he's played for Brown before and they are pretty thin in their frontcourt bench.

 

[STOMP]

5-6 from the field for Channing tonight

3-20 for the rest of the bench

STOMP

 

[number 10]

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I think that Channing is a better backup four than in TO. And in a four player rotation, he'll get plenty of minutes. When he's gotten those minutes and been healthy, he's been effective. I think he pairs well with Przy. We have two sets of outside/inside 4/5's-LMA and GO and Przy and Channing.

He'll get a better offer elsewhere, so I don't expect him to stay.

I don't think Frye pairs well with Prz as backup 4 as long as Outlaw is the backup 3. Outlaw and Frye are both perimeter scorers who don't rebound especially well, leaving us with somewhat redundant offensive games and Prz as the only rebounder. Find a new starting SF and move Batum to backup SF and I like it, though, as he would add a bit more consistency on the glass.

I'm not so sure Frye will be gone. His rights will obviously be renounced, but in the above scenario I wouldn't be surprised to see him come back for a cheap contract. I don't see any other team paying him much and it's clear that he likes Portland.

 

[maxiep]

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I don't think Frye pairs well with Prz as backup 4 as long as Outlaw is the backup 3. Outlaw and Frye are both perimeter scorers who don't rebound especially well, leaving us with somewhat redundant offensive games and Prz as the only rebounder. Find a new starting SF and move Batum to backup SF and I like it, though, as he would add a bit more consistency on the glass.

I'm not so sure Frye will be gone. His rights will obviously be renounced, but in the above scenario I wouldn't be surprised to see him come back for a cheap contract. I don't see any other team paying him much and it's clear that he likes Portland.

I suspect that Webs will return to the starting three and TO is traded. I think Nico steps in as the backup three.

As an aside, Channing has handled his demotion like a real pro. He hasn't brooded or stopped working. I can't help it; I like the guy.

 

[ehizzy3]

one thing about channing ive noticed lately, is he isnt afraid of contact. or right now is not shying from it. he is scrapping for rebounds.

 

[BalancedMan]

Channing is a good guy. I like Outlaw too, but he seems like the optimal guy to trade if we're taking on more contract this summer.

 

[maxiep]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/03/channing_fry_big_ball_big_impa.html

 

[number 10]

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I suspect that Webs will return to the starting three and TO is traded. I think Nico steps in as the backup three.

Really? I don't see Webster getting back to full fitness this season, at this point it'd be surprising if he even cracks the rotation. For sure, next season it's on between Batum and Webster, but my money is on the frenchie. His defense is already better than Webster's ever was, and, while admittedly he attempts less, he's almost as good a 3 point shooter as Webster (35% vs 39%).

To further go completely off topic, anyone else realize that Outlaw's contract, if picked up, will still only have one year left? He may have the bad luck of being overlooked amidst the 2010 free agent crop; then again, maybe there will be a lot of teams with plenty of cap space and no players that want to play there (hello, Memphis...)

 

[Boob-No-More]

Probably the most encouraging thing about tonight's win was seeing Channing actually attacking the basket and finishing at the rim. He seemed to have fallen in love with that jump shot - but we already have plenty of jump shooters. We need more guys scoring in the paint. He did that tonight, and as long as he continues to do so, he will get minutes. If he goes back to being a soft perimeter player, he'll be back on the bench. It's all up to him.

BNM

 

[maxiep]

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Really? I don't see Webster getting back to full fitness this season, at this point it'd be surprising if he even cracks the rotation. For sure, next season it's on between Batum and Webster, but my money is on the frenchie. His defense is already better than Webster's ever was, and, while admittedly he attempts less, he's almost as good a 3 point shooter as Webster (35% vs 39%).

To further go completely off topic, anyone else realize that Outlaw's contract, if picked up, will still only have one year left? He may have the bad luck of being overlooked amidst the 2010 free agent crop; then again, maybe there will be a lot of teams with plenty of cap space and no players that want to play there (hello, Memphis...)

I was actually talking about next season.

 

[STOMP]

Really? I don't see Webster getting back to full fitness this season, at this point it'd be surprising if he even cracks the rotation. For sure, next season it's on between Batum and Webster, but my money is on the frenchie. His defense is already better than Webster's ever was, and, while admittedly he attempts less, he's almost as good a 3 point shooter as Webster (35% vs 39%).

besides a slight advantage as a shooter, Martell has nothing skill wise over Nic. Being both younger and in his first year in the league, I'd expect the gap between the two to grow if anything.

To further go completely off topic, anyone else realize that Outlaw's contract, if picked up, will still only have one year left? He may have the bad luck of being overlooked amidst the 2010 free agent crop; then again, maybe there will be a lot of teams with plenty of cap space and no players that want to play there (hello, Memphis...)

Does anyone think Travis is worth more then a MLE contract? Especially in these economic times, I doubt he garners a better offer from PDX or elsewhere.

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

Does anyone think Travis is worth more then a MLE contract? Especially in these economic times, I doubt he garners a better offer from PDX or elsewhere.

STOMP

In a normal economic climate I'd expect Travis to get a deal right around the MLE (5.2 million IIRC), but with the way things are going, and projections of a massive revenue decline I'm guessing his 4 million per year deal is pretty close to market value.

 

[Ed O]

Frye is playing better, but he's still a bad fit at the backup 4: a guy who doesn't rebound or get to the line much. When he's missing his jumper he's a backbreaker, but even when he's hitting it his game is still full of holes.

I look forward to an upgrade at the backup four spot next year, or Oden returning so Frye can go back to the bench.

Ed O.

 

[Nate Dogg]

I concur. Hes having some nice games lately.

 

[Blazer Freak]

Frye is playing better, but he's still a bad fit at the backup 4: a guy who doesn't rebound or get to the line much. When he's missing his jumper he's a backbreaker, but even when he's hitting it his game is still full of holes.

I look forward to an upgrade at the backup four spot next year, or Oden returning so Frye can go back to the bench.

Ed O.

I definitely agree. IMO, he is horrid most times he goes in. If he doesn't hit his first jumper or two he is completely useless. He travels or turns it over some other way so many times it's really not needed for him to be on the court.

Besides another scorer this offseason, this team definitely needs to add a banger/rebounder at the back up 4 this offseason, IMO.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Channing is the opposite of the Spurs. The Spurs win titles in odd numbered years. Channing sucks in odd numbered years. He's been pretty decent in even numbered years (including his rookie year when he played for Larry Brown), but this is one of those odd numbered years (as was the year Isiah coached the Knicks). So, whether or not the Blazers keep him, look for Channing to have a much better season next year.

In terms of his rebounding, last year he was a significantly better rebounder (15.5 TRB%) than LaMarcus (12.8 TRB%). Last season, he also shot the ball a tiny bit better than LaMarcus and had a PER of 14.8 - pretty close to an average NBA starter - which isn't bad for a guy coming off the bench.

This year, he's shooting the ball horribly, and while his rebounding is down, it's still about the same (11.8 TRB%) as LaMarcus (12.0 TRB%). While you can blame Channing (and LaMarcus) for that, it's also a by-product of playing next to two of the best rebounding centers in the league (Joel 22.4 TRB% and Oden 19.7 TRB).

After the way Channing finished last season (16.2 PPG and 10.1 RPG over the last 5 games), I really thought he'd be our answer at back-up power forward this year. In those five games, he was starting at center. So, I figured he'd do even better this year as a back-up power forward. Wrong - odd year. My bad.

BNM

 

[BalancedMan]

I don't put too much blame on Frye. He's shown that when he gets semi-consistent minutes he can put up decent numbers. But playing behind Oden/Pryzbilla and LMA/Outlaw doesn't help. I think we're spoiled. We have the BEST backup Center in the league in Pryzbilla. No other team comes close to that depth at the position except for the Lakers with Bynum/Gasol, who were starting alongside each other anyways.

There are very few Paul Millsap's in the league. Would you like him to be more like a Brandon Bass or Leon Powe? Maybe, I'm not sure. At least Frye can shoot a good jumper on the pick-and-roll (which is important in a big man) and he hits his free-throws pretty well too. Would I like a Buck Williams or Brian Grant off the bench....sure, but that is easier said than done. Quality big-men in the league are hard to find and you often overpay for someone of that stature.

So who would you look at bringing in as our "Banger" Backup 4 over the next summer? Like I said, those kind of players often get slightly overpaid. Is Chuck Hayes good enough? Maybe targeting Psycho-T Hansbrough or DeJuan Blair in the draft?

Ideally we'll get a good young player who is strong, tough, competitive, and has a chip on his shoulder. I don't think that Hansbrough will be a great pro, but he fits that description to a T and will be there where we draft most likely (without moving up) and thus I see that position as our one that we target in the draft with a lower-round pick assuming the status-quo on the roster and draft pick assets.

 

[Ed O]

I don't put too much blame on Frye. He's shown that when he gets semi-consistent minutes he can put up decent numbers. But playing behind Oden/Pryzbilla and LMA/Outlaw doesn't help. I think we're spoiled. We have the BEST backup Center in the league in Pryzbilla. No other team comes close to that depth at the position except for the Lakers with Bynum/Gasol, who were starting alongside each other anyways.

Channing Frye has a PER below 10. That's fucking pathetic for a guy who doesn't play a lick of defense, either.

Joel being good is truth, but has nothing to do with how bad Frye is.

Ed O.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Channing Frye has a PER below 10. That's fucking patohetic for a guy who doesn't play a lick of defense, either.

Yeah, but his PER in his two even numbered years is 18.1 and 14.8 - compared to 10.5 and 9.4 in his odd numbered years. I say we keep him around for one more "good" year and cut him loose during the summer of 2010.

BNM